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[00:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2510166 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2510166
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[01:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3S23 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3S23
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[05:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3630153 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3630153
[05:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4550147 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4550147
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[06:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 031c3cccbgofn515645_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=1c3cccbgofn515645_chase
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[07:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL4MDW-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL4MDW-11
[08:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOTS-GR after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOTS-GR
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[08:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_Chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_Chase
[08:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[09:02] <_Jordan> GM guys, I am here to let you all know of a potential very busy day on friday if predictions stay smooth. We have 3 launches up on friday so we need all the extra listening support we can get. The frequencies will vary from 434.162-434.462 Mhz all at 300 bd, 8N2.
[09:03] <mfa298> _Jordan: if you want help then you need to get some flight docs in and ideally a post to the mailing list. As has been suggested for most of your other flights.
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[09:06] <_Jordan> Ooof flight docs. I've had a rough time with them in the past since we usually work last minute lol
[09:07] <daveake> There's probably no point in doing them at all if you leave it that late
[09:07] <_Jordan> Yeah that was my thinking too
[09:07] <daveake> They have 2 uses - they make it easier for you to extract data later, and (main use) they let everyone else know in advance about the flight
[09:08] <daveake> Dunno if you use the first bit but you don't use the second
[09:09] <daveake> And if you do leave it till the last minute, you're relying on a #habhub admin being around, and those guys have jobs or are on student daylight hours :)
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[09:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4620149 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4620149
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[09:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CHANGEME after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGEME
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[10:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03fn515645_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=fn515645_chase
[10:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710182 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710182
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[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2010351 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2010351
[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2420657 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2420657
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4613481 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4613481
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[11:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LATTA-01 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LATTA-01
[11:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2340422 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2340422
[11:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KE8EPV-11 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE8EPV-11
[11:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4810476 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4810476
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[12:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOTS-BL after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOTS-BL
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[12:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2310500 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2310500
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[13:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03meanjean_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=meanjean_chase
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[13:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PHILIS after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PHILIS
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[13:56] <_Jordan> Hi everyone, I have a question regarding IR2030. Now to my knowledge the RTTY PITS BOARD has a duty cycle of 10%. But on IR2030 it says a limit of 10% for 433.05-434.79 MHz for Non-specific short-range devices (normal for telemetry systems)
[13:56] <_Jordan> any ideas cos it's confuddled me a little.
[13:57] <_Jordan> I meant 100% for the PITS BOARD not 10 % lol
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[13:59] <craag> So the way this works is that there are several overlapping categories with different restrictions, and you have to find the one that you fit into.
[13:59] <_Jordan> Oh so i'm looking at the wrong cat?
[13:59] <craag> Note that there is also "434.04-434.79MHz"
[13:59] <_Jordan> Found it^
[14:00] <craag> at 10mW e.r.p. which has no duty cycle restriction but does have an extra restriction, do you see it?
[14:00] <_Jordan> Yeah the channel spacing Less than or equal to 25 Khz
[14:00] <craag> ok, so your transmission needs to fit within a 25KHz channel
[14:00] <craag> does it?
[14:00] <_Jordan> The shift?
[14:01] <craag> nope, the total transmission, including the width of the data carriers
[14:02] <_Jordan> Hmmm probably. I only know my carrier width between the 2 data frequencies.
[14:02] <craag> so you've got the 'shift' which is the distance between the middle of the two 'tones'
[14:02] <_Jordan> tones, thats the word I was after lol
[14:03] <_Jordan> I literally just read an article on tones
[14:03] <craag> but then those tones, as you can see on the waterfall, also have their own width, whic hhas to be taken into account here.
[14:03] <_Jordan> Yeah I mean they probably do craag but I've never measured em b4
[14:04] <craag> ok, in most cases, they're roughly as wide in Hz as the baudrate.
[14:04] <craag> You can check this next time you see them on the waterfall.
[14:05] <craag> So, you can then calculate, from the shift and the tone widths, the total width (and hence channel utilisation) of your signal.
[14:05] <_Jordan> which has to be less than or equal to 25... got it
[14:05] <craag> :)
[14:06] <craag> So go through it and check that you're operating legally :)
[14:06] <_Jordan> it was more for understanding of my category in IR2030 but I might as well give it a once over
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[14:17] <_Jordan> Maybe people wouldn't know where to direct me. But in terms of sending images via radio. Is it a good idea to research into SSTV and ATV?? and if not then which would be an appropriate route to take?
[14:17] <_Jordan> Thanks in advance.
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[14:17] <craag> Currently ssdv (that PITS uses with the pi cam) is your best bet.
[14:18] <_Jordan> I know of SSDV and have used before. But once again it's relying on other peoples work and scripts.
[14:18] <_Jordan> Which means theres limited amount of resources to do with it.
[14:19] <_Jordan> very hard to learn what actually goes on
[14:19] <craag> SSTV is usable, but you don't get any advantage of multiple listeners as it can't be combined later.
[14:19] <craag> SSDV was built to fix that using RTTY (by making it digital).
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[14:20] <_Jordan> It is probably important to note that I am trying to get the basics nailed. not for high altitude balloon usage or fl-digi usage. As this would be skipping way to many important steps to get a decent enough undertstanding
[14:20] <craag> But of course you can try anything that fits within the ir2030 restrictions, don't let us tell you what do :)
[14:20] <craag> Have a play with ssdv then :)
[14:22] <_Jordan> i mean I definitely will. but what I am trying to say is. Do i need a good base knowledge of SSTV to learn all about SSDV
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[14:23] <daveake> No they're not very similar
[14:24] <daveake> SSDV is basically a better way of sending JPEGs
[14:24] <daveake> SSTV is analog like the old CRT tellies used to use
[14:24] <_Jordan> Right in that case, I shall make the leap straight to SSDV
[14:25] <_Jordan> thanks craag and daveake, i'll try to keep you posted on what i find.
[14:25] <daveake> As craag said, with SSDV it's designed so that the packets (rectangles in the image) from multiple listeners can be easily stitched together
[14:26] <_Jordan> understood.
[14:26] <daveake> So each packet says which image it's from (i.e. which payload ID, and which image number) and which packet number it is (which tells the receiver whereabouts it goes in the final image)
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[14:26] <daveake> Like having a jigsaw puzzle where the pieces are labelled :)
[14:27] <daveake> So long as every piece (packet) gets received by at least 1 receiver, then the image can be built with no gaps
[14:27] <_Jordan> thats well cool and clever.
[14:27] <daveake> As is fsphil :)
[14:28] <David-SM1ULC> The SSDV-code is at github, right?
[14:28] <daveake> Yes
[14:28] <daveake> And for Raspbian it's installed via apt-get
[14:29] <David-SM1ULC> aah, nice work
[14:29] <David-SM1ULC> which is the reference `https://github.com/fsphil/ssdv ?
[14:29] <fsphil> labelled jigsaw. I like that analogy
[14:30] <_Jordan> me too
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[14:30] <David-SM1ULC> :)
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[14:33] <Jim___> FYI - U3S22 in the air for 55 days today.Launched Feb 13th using helium. http://radio-signals.com/the-balloon-launchers-map/u3s-22/
[14:34] <David-SM1ULC> Hi Jim! :)
[14:35] <Jim___> Hi David,I emailed Mikael about U3S23 on HABHUB about the mixed data.Maybe it needs refresh? And changed to U3S22 ? Last logged altitudes incorrect.
[14:35] <David-SM1ULC> aah
[14:35] <_Jordan> woah are you drifting it or changing it's altitude remotely?
[14:35] <Jim___> 6000m and 12000m and sort of makes the Hysplit inaccurate.Not sure where that telemetry is coming from.
[14:36] <David-SM1ULC> Jim___: my log, http://privetove.asuscomm.com:81/balloon_log.html
[14:38] <Jim___> Yes...a few bad spots there.12000m and 6200m not correct.Unfortunatley,the only spots that updated.Seems a delay in updates and misses the real ones
[14:38] <Jim___> Hysplits are way off
[14:38] <Jim___> If it is hard to refresh with U3S22,do not worry about it.
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[14:39] <David-SM1ULC> Jim___: conf at habhub seems completely bogus
[14:40] <David-SM1ULC> seems that it had lost the telemetry-row
[14:41] <Jim___> Has lost many telemetry last few days.Maybe because it is not getting both WSPR/Te,emetry spots back to back ?
[14:42] <David-SM1ULC> probable
[14:43] <Jim___> Working on QRP Labs spreadsheet accurately it seems - http://www.qrp-labs.com/flights/u3s22.html
[14:43] <Jim___> Again,no big deal unless it is causing harm on HABHUB.
[14:44] <David-SM1ULC> I have a limit that positioningpacket needs to less than 9 minutes old when data arrives
[14:45] <David-SM1ULC> a bit annoying that i dont have the actual raw string sent to habhub saved
[14:45] <_Jordan> on the UKHAS SSDV page, whats the meaning of offset in the packet format?
[14:47] <Jim___> I have the actual telemetry string if you want me to email them ? Or not useful?
[14:47] <Jim___> I`ll send raw data so you can see what I got.
[14:49] <David-SM1ULC> Jim___: I have copied the format from S22 to S23, if Mike wonders wtf I've been dping
[14:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB-P28 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-P28
[14:49] <Jim___> :)
[14:49] <David-SM1ULC> Jim___: there were no format at all so I wonder how it worked at all
[14:51] <Jim___> I just wanted to let you know and see if there was a fix.I sent raw data via email just now to see.
[14:51] <Jim___> I was worried the flight looked misleading.
[14:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
[14:52] <Jim___> BSS13 online...nice.
[14:52] <David-SM1ULC> :)
[14:56] <David-SM1ULC> Got confused, his APRS-ballon is also alive :)
[14:59] <Jim___> I do not see new SA6BSS-9 data for APRS or HABHUB on my screen
[14:59] <Jim___> Just his HF flight
[15:00] <Jim___> 9 shows 1 day / 7hr
[15:02] <David-SM1ULC> https://tracker.habhub.org/?mode=All&filter=sa6bss-9#!mt=roadmap&mz=3&qm=All&f=SA6BSS-9&q=sa6bss-9
[15:02] <David-SM1ULC> so it is out of range riht now
[15:06] <Jim___> Strange,usually 24 hour on the map...1d/7hrs it reads
[15:06] <Jim___> Maybe half telemetry received?
[15:07] <Jim___> Hysplit indicates it may have returned
[15:07] <Jim___> Japan
[15:08] <Jim___> Actually...confused...it is dark time in the region :)
[15:14] <Jim___> SA6BSS-13 is showing mid Pacific on WSPR
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[15:21] <David-SM1ULC> Jim___: a bit problematic to find bogus data
[15:22] <Jim___> BSS13 is alive,so it did get spotted...WSPR showing it over Pacific dateline
[15:24] <Jim___> http://www.qsl.net/swlkp3/30441288_204725243626315_3405253761092812800_n.jpg
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[15:30] <Jim___> I am pretty much confuse now...HABHUB updates BSS13,WSPR shows it somewhere else...but at night time ?
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[16:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[17:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3630088 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3630088
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[18:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HEAPS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HEAPS
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[19:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 031c3cccbgofn515645_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=1c3cccbgofn515645_chase
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[20:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1950099 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1950099
[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710168 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710168
[23:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2440144 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2440144
[23:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4613126 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4613126
[23:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2340421 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2340421
[23:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1730491 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1730491
[23:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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