highaltitude.log.20180406

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[00:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N0320041 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N0320041
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[00:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2420509 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2420509
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[03:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kisii_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kisii_chase
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[04:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03candleburner_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=candleburner_chase
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[05:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4710146 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4710146
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[06:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-6 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-6
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[09:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4710151 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4710151
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[10:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0720652 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0720652
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[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2610545 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2610545
[11:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2340418 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2340418
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0322 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4810481 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4810481
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[12:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4BFP_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4BFP_chase
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[12:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4826102 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4826102
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[13:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3S23 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3S23
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[13:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4BFP-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4BFP-11
[13:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4BFP - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4BFP
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[13:34] <hyde00001> so... I'm trying to get the PITS LoRa gateway to start automagically in a new terminal window when my gateway Pi boots. I've tried fiddling with bash scripts and autostart files to no avail. I don't really know what I'm doing and was hoping someone on here did...
[13:40] <Ian_> Possibly because the cron environment is not fully your environment, so possble differences. Question, can you start the gateway programatically - run a script to invoke it, successfully?
[13:41] <craag> hyde00001: I use screen. in /etc/rc.local I have 'screen -dmS gateway /home/pi/lora-gateway/run'
[13:42] <craag> And then in the lora-gateway folder I have an executable file called 'run' containing: https://pastebin.com/4EFNYRPn
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[13:43] <hyde00001> craag that looks helpful. will try...
[13:43] <craag> This means it autostarts on boot, I can login and attach to the screen session. Also I can edit the config file, just Crtl+C in the screen session and it restarts gateway with the new config :)
[13:43] <craag> And if it crashes it just restarts... (not that it does ;) )
[13:44] <hyde00001> i'm also a screen newbie... how does one "attach" (was hoping to be able to connect via VNC and just "see" the gateway...)
[13:46] <craag> sudo screen -dr
[13:46] <craag> (needs sudo as screen is running as root)
[13:46] <craag> then to detach: Crtl+a, then d
[13:47] <craag> This is for ssh remote login, which lora-gateway is more designed for :)
[13:48] <Ian_> Thanks craag. I have set up an alias, so not quite as automated, but to get the job done I type from anywhere: Gateway
[13:50] <Ian_> alias Gateway='cd /home/pi/lora-gateway; sudo ./gateway; cd; pwd'
[13:50] <Ian_> That way I'm always dumped back to my home directory.
[13:51] <craag> yeah this is for the Pi at farnham that I'm never logged into, hence screen to run it in the background, and autorun for when one of the other shed users pulls the wrong plug..
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[13:51] <craag> (although as of feb all that side is on ups)
[13:52] <Ian_> :) sounds very predictable that will happen from time to time. Long time since I have used screen - early 90's
[13:52] <hyde00001> sudo apt-get install screen
[13:52] <hyde00001> Ooops wrong window
[13:53] <Ian_> :)
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[13:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SH06 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SH06
[13:57] <hyde00001> Ooooh autostarts now see if I can connect to it...
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[14:02] <hyde00001> craag - splendid, Ian thanks also... Going to move location now, to get out of firewall blocking me seeing my Pi desktop by VNC...
[14:02] <craag> :)
[14:03] <daveake> +1 for using screen (not that I've got round to setting it up on my gateways yet, but I should)
[14:04] <hyde00001> this look slike a really goo start, but I still really want a solution that just opens a terminal window - I.m trying to get my "chase buddies" to look at their gateways from time to time while chasing and the VNC server on the new PIs is so simple to explain (can use an iPhone to control Pi...)
[14:04] <hyde00001> goo = good!
[14:05] <craag> So you could create a script on the Pi desktop that when double-clicked, opens a terminals & attaches to the screen session.
[14:06] <craag> also means if they just close the terminal, it doesn't stop the gateway app (screen just detaches)
[14:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PHILIS after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PHILIS
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[14:07] <helsingborg> Hello
[14:07] <hyde00001> oooooh much better idea than mine...
[14:07] <hyde00001> Hi helsingborg
[14:09] <hyde00001> guys thanks for all your gateway/screen help... got to dash...
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[14:11] <craag> you can use dash if you like, it's nicely faster than bash ;)
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[14:12] Action: craag is retraumatised by memories of cutting 45 minutes off a data processing job by making dash the default shell on the box...
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[15:24] <katting> Hello
[15:25] <katting> Does anyone here have any experience with launching light HAB:s under EU regulation?
[15:28] <craag> The regulations vary a lot by country, but this channel is mostly UK/EU.
[15:29] <katting> I see
[15:29] <craag> So likely yes, depending on the specific country :)
[15:30] <katting> I live in Sweden where the laws are very strict, so Denmark is the other option. We sent them a mail and they refered to SERA
[15:31] <craag> Mike-SA6BSS might know more about the possibilities in that area
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[15:32] <craag> We do also have some Danish habbers in the community, although maybe not on irc. So it may be worth asking on the mailing list too.
[15:32] <craag> !wiki mailing+list
[15:32] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Wiki page 03mailing_list (ukhas) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/ukhas:mailing_list
[15:33] <katting> Nice, thank you
[15:33] <katting> I'm very unfamiliar with aviation overall to be honest, is it standard to have a SSR code, aircraft address or NDB frequency on a balloon with a tiny payload?
[15:35] <craag> No it isn't.
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[15:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9FKC-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FKC-11
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[16:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9FKC - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FKC
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[17:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1033662 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1033662
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[17:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_Chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_Chase
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[18:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N5GAS-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N5GAS-2
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[19:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
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[19:28] <eighthundreddegr> Should i use an Arduino GSM shield or a cell phone for texting coordinates when the payload has landed?
[19:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LTNT_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LTNT_chase
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[20:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4MRH-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4MRH-9
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[21:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03TA9OHC-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TA9OHC-11
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[22:00] <eighthundreddegr> Anyone here have any experience using RTL2832U type USB dongles to track their HAB?
[22:01] <Mike-SA6BSS> moste of us here have I guess
[22:02] <nigle> Both options are going to be rather big and heavy, Aliexpress has loads of cheap tracking devices that look like they would be a better solution. The battery life may be a bit short though.
[22:04] <eighthundreddegr> Is it a viable option? Of course I want my things to function, but if I don't have to buy an expensive SSB reciever that would be neat
[22:05] <Mike-SA6BSS> Mike-SA6BSS: the rtl:_s wokr well if you use a decent antenna and maby an lna close to the antenna if you have +10m of antenna cable
[22:05] <Mike-SA6BSS> is is for base or car
[22:05] <Mike-SA6BSS> ?
[22:06] <eighthundreddegr> Base
[22:06] <Mike-SA6BSS> ok, the the above stands :)
[22:06] <eighthundreddegr> Instead of chasing the thing I thought of just using a GSM shield at that point
[22:07] <Mike-SA6BSS> where are you located?
[22:07] <eighthundreddegr> Southern Sweden but launch will (if it does) take place in Denmark because of laws
[22:07] <Mike-SA6BSS> me to :)
[22:08] <Mike-SA6BSS> like 70km N of Jönköping
[22:09] <eighthundreddegr> To be honest I'm quite clueless here, I didn't think I would have to be a law specialist, amateur ham radio operator and aeronaut to send up one of these things
[22:09] <eighthundreddegr> Oh nice
[22:09] <Mike-SA6BSS> :)
[22:09] <Mike-SA6BSS> so you are going to send it up and down to take some pics? or long duration float?
[22:10] <Mike-SA6BSS> guessing up down
[22:10] <eighthundreddegr> Correct
[22:11] <Mike-SA6BSS> yes, transportstyrelsen is no fun dealing with with those up/down flihts
[22:11] <Mike-SA6BSS> the realy overcharge for the launch permit
[22:11] <eighthundreddegr> yeah I'm not paying 6k SEK for that
[22:12] <eighthundreddegr> exactly, plus you can only launch at certain locations
[22:13] <eighthundreddegr> I don't have the financial means to buy an SSB receiver, so I should be good if I have a proper antenna?
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[22:13] <eighthundreddegr> For the RTL2832U
[22:13] <Mike-SA6BSS> yes, and if the weather for one make it not possible to launch they still collect... there was something a couple of years ago... have to finf it
[22:13] <Mike-SA6BSS> yes, at a goos "over the roof
[22:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RS_N2610545 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2610545
[22:13] <Mike-SA6BSS> " antenna
[22:15] <Mike-SA6BSS> we are a couple of people that can help you with tracking the flight if you get an rtty tx
[22:16] <Mike-SA6BSS> guessing aas you say going to Denmark for lauch you are at the verry south of SE
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[22:17] <eighthundreddegr> Correct
[22:18] <Mike-SA6BSS> the rtl is just one end of it, you need a tx witg the ballong
[22:18] <Mike-SA6BSS> *with the balloon as well
[22:19] <Mike-SA6BSS> some info of amsat Sweden doing some research of a launch https://www.amsat.se/?s=hab
[22:20] <Mike-SA6BSS> some articles down
[22:20] <eighthundreddegr> is "tx" a Radiometrix NTX2 434.075Mhz
[22:20] <Mike-SA6BSS> yes, works well
[22:21] <Mike-SA6BSS> like habduino or .... cant remember...1 sec
[22:21] <Mike-SA6BSS> trackuino
[22:22] <Mike-SA6BSS> or pi in the sky google pisky
[22:22] <Mike-SA6BSS> http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/
[22:23] <Mike-SA6BSS> I might have a tracker to lend you if you go ahead with the project
[22:23] <Mike-SA6BSS> as a backup
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[22:24] <eighthundreddegr> I don't have a radio license though
[22:24] <eighthundreddegr> But is that a problem at 10 mW
[22:24] <Mike-SA6BSS> its tx in the ism band , no licence needed
[22:25] <Mike-SA6BSS> 70cm ism band
[22:25] <Mike-SA6BSS> nop, 10mw in ism band you dont need a licence
[22:25] <eighthundreddegr> Nice
[22:26] <eighthundreddegr> So I can use a Radiometrix device transmitting on 433.05434.79 MHz, receiving with an SDR dongle without a license? I don't want the state after me
[22:27] <Mike-SA6BSS> yes, you are safe :)
[22:27] <Mike-SA6BSS> maby best not aming to close to 434.8 or so , to much interference
[22:28] <Mike-SA6BSS> 433.9
[22:28] <Mike-SA6BSS> around 434.5 usuly a good place
[22:29] <Mike-SA6BSS> but you go where the ntx2 is set
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[22:32] <Mike-SA6BSS> check for repeater inputs starting at 434.594 and up, dont go there
[22:33] <Mike-SA6BSS> you have a good bandplan here https://www.fura.se/images/stories/teknik/bandplan_vhf_v1.7.pdf
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[22:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[22:36] <Mike-SA6BSS> im going to bed, here is my mail adress , im alwas loged in here so if you wonder anything just ping or mail me /// mikael_dagman@hotmail.com
[22:38] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[22:38] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 is over 03Mazanovsky District, Amur Oblast, Russia 10(52.48107,128.96215) at 0311999 meters
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[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5QI-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5QI-9_chase
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[23:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M2023181 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M2023181
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