highaltitude.log.20180317

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[00:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1131544 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1131544
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[03:32] <drohan> Hey all, quick question:
[03:33] <drohan> We've been thinking about putting a 1.2 GHz transmitter on a HAB to try out live video, and I was curious what resources were available to determine what ground + balloon antennas might be best to have the best chance at success
[03:33] <drohan> Right now I'm leaning towards a Yagi antenna for the ground station, but I've been a little stumped on what to put on the balloon. I've seen some use Wheel antennas, some FPV drone crews use Cloverleaf
[03:34] <Darkside> you will need to go through the link budget to see whats possible
[03:35] <Darkside> figure out the TX EIRP, then figure out the minimum signal at the rx to get a picture
[03:36] <Darkside> and then work out how much path loss you can tolerate
[03:36] <Darkside> i suspect you will need a fairly high gain antenna and a preamp on the ground end
[03:36] <Darkside> and even them im really not sure waht range you will get
[03:36] <Darkside> you have to run the numbers...
[03:37] <drohan> I see
[03:39] <Darkside> so a bit of a back of the napkin example
[03:39] <Darkside> (sorry, just running some calculations)
[03:39] <drohan> Take your time! I really appreciate your input :)
[03:40] <Darkside> im trying to find receiver stats...
[03:42] Nick change: stilldavid_ -> stilldavid
[03:42] <drohan> And for a somewhat related question after -- I've also researched Ham ATV, notably: http://www.hamtv.com/info.html#balloon Do you think we'd be more successful changing to a 70cm band and using something like that? Though I presume we'd likely take a bit of a performance hit
[03:43] <Darkside> well going to 70cm means less path loss
[03:45] <Darkside> urgh why is the info i need tso fucking hard to find
[03:46] <Darkside> they all talk about 'range'
[03:46] <Darkside> which is a bullshit metric
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[03:56] <Darkside> drohan: so with a big yagi and a preamp, yeah, you might get video over a good distance
[03:56] <drohan> I see :)
[03:57] <drohan> For your napkin math, would you be able to share what you *were* able to come up with?
[03:57] <drohan> Just for my future reference in my research
[03:58] <Darkside> https://pastebin.com/dCqPe75H
[03:59] <drohan> That's awesome, thank you
[04:00] <Darkside> hopefully i havent made any obvious errors
[04:00] <Darkside> note that the 23cm yagi i mention there is pretty damn big
[04:01] <Darkside> also usual disclaimers blah blah blah will not be held responsible for use of thsi data blah blah blah blah
[04:01] <drohan> Hahahaha it is indeed
[04:01] <drohan> Also yes of course
[04:01] <drohan> To compare the napkin math to a 70cm, would I really only need to switch the Path loss?
[04:01] <drohan> (And the equipment and their relative stats, ofc)
[04:02] <Darkside> essentially
[04:02] <drohan> Great
[04:02] <drohan> Thank you a bunch, that was very helpful :)
[04:11] <drohan> Man... looking through your napkin math and now I realize how little I actually know :p
[04:12] <drohan> Off the top of your head, are there any good resources to learn more about antenna theory?
[04:21] <Darkside> hrm
[04:21] <Darkside> i dont really have any books i could point you ar, sorry :(
[04:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-14 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-14
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[04:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZR6MUG-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZR6MUG-11
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[06:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RS_N1113555 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1113555
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[07:24] <PE2BZ> drohan are you also from the darkside ? Television transmission on the input frequency of an amateur television repeater would be a good idea. Over here in Europe for ATV they all use horizontal polarisation. So a kind of open dipole for 23 cm (1252 MHz is common over here) and if possible a stable (non rotating) payload would be good.
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[07:29] <drohan> I'm US-based PE2BZ :)
[07:29] <PE2BZ> That´s the Brightside _
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[07:30] <PE2BZ> But they also have atv repeaters over there, you could look on their websites for input frequencies and antenna polarisation
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[07:31] <PE2BZ> I am afk, to a flea market for radio amateur parts. in the mean time you could take a look for a (the) arrl antenna handbook as source for theory and practical antenna information ;-)
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[07:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1143473 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1143473
[07:41] <drohan> Got it, I'll look it up
[07:41] <drohan> Thank you!
[07:42] <drohan> Is that the one that's some many hundred pages thick? Will be a nice long read :)
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[09:06] <Ian_> That's the one, ARRL Manual, and a fairly large slice of the 70cm band to make you popular, even before you hit the repeater inputs. . . :)
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[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710554 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710554
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[12:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03hei _chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hei%20_chase
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[13:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0D-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC0D-1
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[13:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RS_N1113555 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1113555
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[14:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0HIP-7 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
[14:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB1KVR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB1KVR
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[14:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD5GOM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
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[14:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AB5SS-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AB5SS-11
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[16:59] <hab_learner> hi
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[17:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1033744 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1033744
[17:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0220058 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0220058
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[18:41] <mfa298> Noooooo http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-43442628
[18:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_Z3p4bTq7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_Z3p4bTq7
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[18:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03FOOL1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FOOL1
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[18:59] <fsphil> mfa298: indeed
[19:03] <fsphil> they could've used a more modern photo. that's from the second series, 1998
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[22:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF7IQD - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF7IQD
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[23:00] <Ian_> Would be good if Channel 4 or someone took on RW and rubbed BBC's face in it when it stole viewers from them.
[23:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[23:11] <fsphil> just as long as it's not Channel 5 again
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1720028 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1720028
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N3710600 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N3710600
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1253015 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1253015
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[23:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2410519 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2410519
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[23:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0220084 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0220084
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[23:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1033690 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1033690
[23:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1630387 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1630387
[23:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 031962_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=1962_chase
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