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[01:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2420655 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2420655
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[04:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03test input data!_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=test%20input%20data!_chase
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[06:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3S22 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3S22
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[09:14] <buzz53> dbrooke: thanks for the signal report, looks like we'll need to try something different!
[09:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2420732 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2420732
[09:25] <Darkside> what the heck are they doing at YPAD
[09:26] <Darkside> this is the third launch so far today
[09:32] <fsphil> someone hacked the automated launcher? :)
[09:32] <Darkside> YPAD is a manual launch station
[09:32] <Darkside> probably doing training
[09:32] <fsphil> ah
[09:33] <fsphil> rs41's?
[09:33] <Darkside> yup
[09:33] <Darkside> all splashing down in the gulf to the west of Adelaide
[09:33] <Darkside> which is a bit sad
[09:41] <fsphil> yeah I know that feeling
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[10:20] <gonzo_> no good tides to do a 'dave'
[10:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK6FEEE_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK6FEEE_chase
[10:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[10:40] <fsphil> are you shore?
[10:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BURST1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BURST1
[10:47] <gonzo_> well a wave of certainty came over me
[10:47] <pe2bz_> lol
[10:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4810444 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4810444
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[11:10] <gonzo_> I find it hard to fathom
[11:21] <dbrooke> best to just wait and sea
[11:25] <gonzo_> it'll all come out in The Wash
[11:25] <Darkside> you're all terrible
[11:26] <fsphil> this is just a drop in the ocean compared to what we're normally like
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[11:27] <daveake> It'll tide over
[11:27] <vaizki> yes puns definitely float our boats
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[11:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2430238 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2430238
[11:35] <gonzo_> is it watering down the channel content?
[11:38] <Darkside> being washed away in the flood of puns
[11:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2430757 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2430757
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1143309 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1143309
[11:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1143309 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1143309
[11:41] <Darkside> uh oh
[11:41] <Darkside> ah, thats perth
[11:41] <dbrooke> evil twins
[11:42] <Darkside> yeah hteres one station where the owner is away on holidays
[11:42] <Darkside> and doesnt have remote access
[12:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STUDY - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STUDY
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[13:08] <Darkside> dbrooke: right, so now i've got a version (just a date atm) that gets put into the 'Radio' field on the listener info
[13:08] <Darkside> will hopefully make it easier to identify who is running older releases
[13:08] <Darkside> (when i actually start doing releases)
[13:25] <dbrooke> good idea, not sure about how you could automatically fill the field but 'git describe' might be a useful source for the content
[13:27] <Darkside> perhaps
[13:28] <Darkside> but that assumes people have git cloned the repository and not just explorted it as a zip
[13:28] <dbrooke> I've used git describe --always --dirty='+'
[13:28] <dbrooke> fair point
[13:30] <dbrooke> I've never looked at how github handles releases
[13:30] <Darkside> me neither...
[13:30] <Darkside> will have to look further into it
[13:31] <Darkside> as the code is probably getting close enough to being releasable
[13:31] <Darkside> the next step will be a big re-structure
[13:31] <Darkside> to make it more modulat
[13:31] <Darkside> modular*
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[13:42] <mfa298> I think there's a file you can add to the git repo that github uses to generate versions when doing exports.
[13:44] <mfa298> partly releated to .gitattributes I think
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[14:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0HIP-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
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[14:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5WWL after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5WWL
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[15:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N4840116 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N4840116
[15:23] <PE2BZ> !dial study
[15:23] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03STUDY 10(b052): 03434.1981 MHz, 434.2 MHz, 434.1993 MHz, 434.19908 MHz
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[16:29] <on4aol> Hi , anyone could tell me why i have to decode with 425 Hz shift ( newbie)
[16:32] <vaizki> umm.. the shift for rtty varies, it might be 425 Hz for one payload but something else for another.. not sure I understand the question
[16:32] <dbrooke> that's what it's sending, the flight doc appears to be incorrect
[16:33] <on4aol> ok tnx for the info , also receive the signals in LSB rather then USB
[16:33] <dbrooke> it's fairly usual to have to adjust at least a bit from the autoconfigured settings
[16:34] <Ian_> Historically 850Hz, 425Hz and others were preferred values of shift. Changing sideband will invert the sense of the tones/signal so beware.
[16:34] <on4aol> i'm aware of that , tnx
[16:34] <dbrooke> it should be USB, check you don't have Rv selected in dl-fldigi
[16:35] <Ian_> The shift is of course determind by the tx station. Good to hear :)
[16:36] <on4aol> sri , do not work with dl-fldigi , it's the "old" fldigi . next time maybe , it just a fresh install ( few houres)
[16:36] <dbrooke> OK, it may still have an Rv button
[16:36] <on4aol> receive with SDR dongle and GQRX on Linux
[16:37] <dbrooke> the other possibility is I and Q swapped with SDR
[16:38] <dbrooke> that's a button in gqrx
[16:38] <on4aol> I think a see a Rv button in the richtcorner in FLDigi
[16:39] <on4aol> Yup , won't work anymore with button on
[16:39] <vaizki> yea it's short for Reverse..
[16:39] <on4aol> Try to swap again in GQRX to USB
[16:40] <dbrooke> other possibility is the mode in (dl-)fldigi should be USB not RTTY
[16:40] <dbrooke> main thing is that it decodes but it's good to understand the settings
[16:40] <on4aol> Ok works fine , tnx !
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[16:45] <fsphil> should have removed rtty from the modes list in dl-fldigi. it's silly and confusing
[16:46] <dbrooke> it's probably correct for RTTY on amateur HF bands
[16:47] <on4aol> the last two figures at the end of the string and after the * is that a checksum ? CRC perhaps ?
[16:47] <dbrooke> yes
[16:47] <on4aol> ok
[16:47] <fsphil> dbrooke: yes, but still confusing :)
[16:48] <dbrooke> fsphil: agreed in this context
[16:51] <dbrooke> on4aol: most payloads use a CCITT CRC-16 which takes 4 ASCII digits, a simple checksum like this one is more likely to allow bad data through
[16:55] <on4aol> sri , diner is ready , i think because it is a two digit checksum that it's maybe een LRC
[16:59] <dbrooke> payload doc says it's just XOR
[17:01] <fsphil> who's using the 8-bit crc?
[17:01] <dbrooke> Epsom school
[17:02] <on4aol> that's what it is LRC is , something like this <byte> XOR <byte> XOR .... , never overflow !
[17:03] <fsphil> strange, I didn't think anyone used it anymore
[17:05] <dbrooke> their tracker is a bit intriguing as it pauses mid sentence as if it's building the string on the fly so maybe it's very memory constrained or something
[17:06] <on4aol> but it's works and maybe saves a little bit power ?
[17:07] <fsphil> it won't save any power, it was probably just easier to program it that way
[17:07] <fsphil> infact it will waste power by leaving the radio transmitting the stop tone for longer :)
[17:08] <fsphil> it sounds like it's a very old tracker
[17:09] <on4aol> like i said , i am a newbie ,so no experience
[17:10] <daveake> I remember one or two trackers pausing while they measure temperature or something
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[17:14] <dbrooke> seems to have a slight pause before latitude and before altitude and a longer pause between sentences but I have a lot of interference at the moment so it's hard to be sure
[17:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1033728 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1033728
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[17:22] <hopej> hi daveake, sorry I have not been on all week, but did you manage to find the issue with your arduino tracker software?
[17:23] <daveake> Grab the latest. Made a bunch of changes.
[17:23] <hopej> ok cool. I will give it a go
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[17:23] <on4aol> Also in Belgium here is the signal weakening , only bit and pieces .
[17:24] <hopej> I sometimes have trouble uploading, it stalls half way through, I think it is due to the upload time as smaller programs go without a hitch.
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[17:36] <hopej> thanks a lot daveake! That is now working much better.
[17:36] <hopej> I will atach a gps module and do some field tests.
[17:36] <hopej> will this one be sufficient https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_64&product_id=72
[17:37] <hopej> or would you recommend the one with the full arial/external arial
[17:37] <daveake> It's a very handy device - great for the "last mile" bit when chasing
[17:37] <daveake> Get one with a better antenna
[17:37] <hopej> Yeah, that is what I was thinking re the "last mile"
[17:37] <hopej> with a directional radio antennae
[17:38] <daveake> Depends how far you are from it, but usually you won't need a yagi
[17:38] <daveake> I used one of these https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GY-NEO6MV2-Ublox-GPS-Module-with-Active-Antenna-and-header-pins/231859809745?hash=item35fbebedd1:g:YLsAAOSwoydWsLIc
[17:38] <daveake> But Upu's Sarantel one will get a position quicker
[17:39] <hopej> Why is that? it is only a passive antenna no?
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[17:42] <daveake> magic
[17:42] <hopej> like most electronics!
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[17:47] <hopej> Now I need to find a decent enclosure and get it all boxed up.
[17:47] <hopej> oh and a power switch
[17:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1630383 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1630383
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[18:11] <PE2BZ> A decent descent rate for Study
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[18:17] <on4aol> tnx for this evening . CUL
[18:17] <on4aol> quit
[18:18] <on4aol> ? How to quit ?
[18:18] <PE2BZ> bye bye
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[18:19] <dbrooke> on4aol: /quit
[18:19] <PE2BZ> with ¨/quit¨
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[18:19] <PE2BZ> Typed that without the ¨ and away I was :-)
[18:19] <dbrooke> haha 8-)
[18:20] <dbrooke> you were "just testing", right?
[18:20] <PE2BZ> Yes Sir :-)
[18:21] <dbrooke> drove right past where STUDY is about to end up last summer
[18:21] <PE2BZ> Now time to study a strange radiosonde signal in the weathersonde band this afternoon...
[18:22] <PE2BZ> It´s the signal around 405 MHz http://www.pe2bz.nl/hamradio/skymonitor/rtlTest_power.png
[18:22] <PE2BZ> at about 16:30
[18:23] <PE2BZ> The signal is either 160 kHz wide or 2 signals each 80 kHz below and above 405 MHz. These appear about 6 times a year, 3 times in feb / march
[18:23] <PE2BZ> and about 3 times in okt / nov
[18:23] <PE2BZ> Every time at either 403 MHz, 404 MHz or 405 MHz centered.
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[18:33] <bertrik> maybe some kind of emergency beacon that is being tested?
[18:35] <bertrik> apparently there is a kind of emergency channel on 406 MHz
[18:36] <bertrik> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_position-indicating_radiobeacon_station mentions that
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[18:38] <PE2BZ> Hi, I know of the epirb beacons but this signal appears to be really flying.
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[18:44] <PE2BZ> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bku21lxub1lwwoz/strange.JPG?dl=0 on 403.5 and a bit later on 404.5 as caught on february 2016
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[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1740344 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1740344
[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1143074 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1143074
[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_P0220090 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_P0220090
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[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N1630382 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N1630382
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[23:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_M4743211 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_M4743211
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[23:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2420700 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2420700
[23:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS_N2430241 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS_N2430241
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[23:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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