highaltitude.log.20180215

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[00:14] <TheManWithTheHat> how does this work?
[00:50] <Ian_> Not quite sure what you mean?
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[02:11] <emdeex> Hi all... I'm still trying to get a terminal shell on the PITS Zero I bought from Uputronics in Jan...although the tracker works and I can configure it via editing its /boot/pisky.txt file....I'd really like to get WiFi and SSH working so as to add sensors etc.......is it possible someone can make a complete Pi Zero W image file available that I can flash onto the SD that has the latest version of PITS, and SSH and Wifi enabled?
[02:12] <emdeex> I'd have to give you my WiFi creds I guess... unless we could link the WiFi creds into the /boot/pisky.txt file
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[03:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-10 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-10
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[03:32] <Ian_> emdeex this conversation is best held on #pits so can you type /join #pits
[03:33] <emdeex> thanks
[03:33] <Ian_> See you there
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[04:20] <tdjb_> anyone using a raspberry pi for their flight "recorder"? working through some stuff with getting the pi to send data over an NTX radio and am running into some bumps
[04:20] <tdjb_> nothing major but the data being sent over the air is coming in a bit jumbled, not 100% junk but not 100% accurate either :(
[04:23] <Ian_> So is this a RTTY problem?
[04:24] <Ian_> Reception problem?
[04:24] <tdjb_> i'm honestly not sure. all of this is new to me so i'm kind of fumbling my way through it... i've basically taken the info from https://ava.upuaut.net/?p=627 and "ported" it over to the pi
[04:25] <tdjb_> so i'm using the same settings, same code (mostly), etc
[04:26] <tdjb_> what i'm wondering is if the raspberry pi is causing the timing issue. since the code is running in userland and the timing isn't a sure thing, maybe the data is coming out funky
[04:27] <tdjb_> as an example, when i'm sending the data, each bit sent has a sleep to get the data flowing at 50 baud: nanosleep((const struct timespec[]){{0, 20150000L}}, NULL);
[04:27] <Ian_> Mostly? Got the t-shirt! I don't suppose that you are running an awful lot more than the tracker, so not a lot to screw with 50 Baud RTTY.
[04:27] <tdjb_> my thoughts are that that sleep isn't as accurate as it needs to be so the data is coming out a bit garbled. was just wondering if others had seen this before or if i'm going down a dead end
[04:28] <Ian_> How does it sound on your receiver?
[04:28] <tdjb_> warbly ha
[04:28] <Ian_> Well that has to be a good sigh n! :)
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[04:31] <Ian_> Instead of the RTTY BEACON test string, if you essentially were to change that for all one character, then you should be able to ascertain if there is much in the way of deviation and much easier to spot if your signal is upside down on your RX.
[04:31] <Ian_> What are you using for the rxr and are you using dl_fldigi ?
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[04:32] <tdjb_> i have an RTL-SDR dongle -> gqrx -> dl-fldigi/fldigi
[04:32] <Ian_> How far between tx and rx?
[04:33] <tdjb_> i'm just doing pure rx testing now and i'm only about 10 feet away
[04:33] <SIbot3> In real units: 10 ft = 3.05 m
[04:33] <Ian_> NTX2B, doesn't need an antenna at that distance. What is your rx?
[04:35] <Ian_> OK sorry I see that now. SDR dongle gqrx and dl_fldigi.
[04:35] <tdjb_> yeah, all running on a macbook
[04:35] <Ian_> This is where it gets messy as I have none of those items and limited imagination.
[04:36] <tdjb_> as an example, here is a snippet of text that is being read by dl-fldigi: "|RTTy TESt BEAON RTY T}ST B}ACON~CF08>RTPTPB8N>jY`TEST`BEAC*CFp8"
[04:36] <tdjb_> the odd thing is that like a week ago everything just worked, gotta love technology :)
[04:36] <Ian_> Well the signal is vaguely good, so it can't be that far off.
[04:38] <tdjb_> i'm tempted to move everything over to an arduino i have sitting around and see if the same issues pop up, just to rule out the OS on the pi screwing around with things
[04:39] <Ian_> If you have an antenna on the NTX2B then I would remove it as you may be overloading your rx. Tuning the SDR, approach the signal from the LF end. That way you will be sure that you aren't copying a harmonic image of the signal (not guaranteed but I'm sure that you follow the idea)
[04:40] <Ian_> Ah, the mostly meaning that you have basically ported the code to the pi?
[04:40] <tdjb_> yeah, it was basically cut and paste aside from a few tweaks to make it more "official" C to run on linux
[04:41] <Ian_> Fair comment. I guess you have used a resistor network to key the NTX2B then?
[04:42] <Ian_> And are only running the tracker on the PI
[04:42] <Ian_> Not a lot of load to screw around with the 50 Baud signal as I mentioned.
[04:43] <tdjb_> yeah, the pi can put out 5v so i used the same schematic that was used on the arduino. nothing else running on the pi outside of the default non-GUI stuff (ssh, wifi, dhcp, etc)
[04:45] <Ian_> Lots of people use pi for 50 and 300 Baud RTTY on the PiInTheSky boards
[04:47] <Ian_> I suspect that if it was running OK a week ago then tuning or changed proximity are likely to be the culprits.
[04:47] <tdjb_> ok, i might need to just keep fiddling with stuff to see if anything can get me back there
[04:48] <Ian_> Good luck, but if you are getting a close signal then there can't be that much wrong. After all, from the snipped that you posted, it was bits getting dropped and not really whole words garbling.
[04:48] <tdjb_> appreciate the help/ideas/tips :)
[04:49] <Ian_> Are you in the US? I'm in the UK and should have been asleep a few hours ago.
[04:49] <tdjb_> i am haha
[04:50] <tdjb_> about to be asleep though after spending an hour or so messing around with this
[04:50] <Ian_> OK. Good luck and speak to you again I'm sure :-)
[04:51] <tdjb_> certainly! everyone here has been a huge help. i'm coming into this with zero radio or HAB background (just software stuff) so this channel has been a great resource
[04:52] <Ian_> It's a steep learning curve. Just remember the tuning tip though. I'm sure that will save you chasing images at some point in the future.
[04:53] <Ian_> I could always tell that a violin was out of tune, but didn't know if a string was necessarily high or low.
[04:54] <tdjb_> sounds good, thanks!
[04:54] <Ian_> I watched a pro tune the instrument and the first thing she did was loosen the string a tad, so that she knew that she was approaching the tuning point from LF and was unlikely to break a string by overtensioning it. A close parallel
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[06:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03icarusIV after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=icarusIV
[07:21] <daveake> tdjb_: rather than use nanosleep for the but running, just send bytes through the serial port to the ntx2
[07:21] <daveake> Bit timing ^
[07:22] <daveake> Stupid phone
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[08:49] <mfa298> tdjb_: if you're trying to bigbang a pin then thats liable to issues as the os and drivers will mean your sleeps arent as accurate as they need to be. for a program on something like the pi sleep 50uS means "sleep for 50uS plus the time until the application next gets scheduled to run"
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[09:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3S22 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3S22
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[10:50] Action: PE2BZ filled UKHAS group with the story about not appearing on the tracker https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/o1A1k2K2cjA
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[10:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KISS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KISS
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[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4456093 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4456093
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4543381 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4543381
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[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N2010328 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N2010328
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[15:00] <tdjb_> daveake & mfa298: thank you. my problem now is that i can't use the serial port because it will be used by the gps (adafruit gps hat) so i have to talk to the ntx via one of the GPIO pins :(
[15:01] <tdjb_> need to figure out of the pi is going to work or not for me i guess. i initially went with it because i already had one and the camera add-on seemed like a great option, but now i'm wondering if it might be too much of a hassle and if an arduino would be the way to go
[15:01] <tdjb_> either way, i'll get there :). thanks again everyone
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[15:16] <mfa298> tdjb_: I think most people run the gps and ntx2b off the same serial port.
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[15:20] <gonzo_> I assume that is using native protocol to the gps, so it's nit chirping on the serial line?
[15:20] <gonzo_> not
[15:23] <mfa298> bitbanging might be possible if you're doing fairly low level register access from C and run it with a realtime scheduler, but I dont think its somethign anyone as tried for a while (I did try in the early days of the Pi but never flown anything) - from memory it mostly seemed to work in ground tests although still had odd errors.
[15:23] <mfa298> gonzo_: probably
[15:28] <gonzo_> my old pic code did the bit banging on the rtty. I have a feeling the reference desighs for arduino did the same, though they were timing loop driven. I used timer interrupts.
[15:29] <craag> gonzo_: you only need rx on the gps, and only tx on the ntx2 ;)
[15:29] <craag> (after setting up flight mode)
[15:33] <tdjb_> craag: yep, except (there is always an exception right?) the GPS module i'll be using actually supports logging the data internally. i was going to use that as a type of backup GPS logger so that i could re-create the flight on a map later. the problem is that to work with that feature you need tx to the gps :(
[15:35] <gonzo_> craag, the upu ublox unit I used I seem to recall needed conmmanding to put into flight mode?
[15:35] <tdjb_> i'll probably keep messing around with it for a bit longer to see if i can get something that is stable, otherwise i might just put the pi back on the shelf and bring the arduino out
[15:35] <craag> ah ok tdjb_
[15:36] <tdjb_> if anyone cares/is interested, this is the GPS module i currently have https://www.adafruit.com/product/746
[15:36] <craag> yes gonzo_, you can connect tx to both units, talk to the gps at 9600 bd when you boot up, then change to 50bd and the ublox will jut ignore (it'll fail packet format & checksum at 9600)
[15:37] <tdjb_> seems that the ublox one is used a bit more though
[15:37] <craag> note haven't done that hackery myself
[15:37] <craag> tdjb_: The ublox is little nicer on power I think, and generally has a less noisy position output too.
[15:38] <craag> However the ublox does require configuring for flight mode to work about ~12km.
[15:38] <craag> *above ~12km.
[15:39] <gonzo_> good point
[15:40] <gonzo_> I wrote min for 5unit baudot initially. Just for fun.
[15:41] <craag> and did it work on a teleprinter?
[15:42] <gonzo_> www.g0nzo.co.uk/public/tty.avi
[15:42] <gonzo_> (silly question)
[15:43] <Ian_> 80v-0-80v 20mA loop is a bit far away from today eh?
[15:43] <craag> lol
[15:44] <gonzo_> telex is not dead.... It just has more pictures of cats
[15:44] <gonzo_> and we may need more shifts to get all the icons into the 5unit code
[15:45] <gonzo_> but it would suit twitter great!
[15:45] <daveake> tdjb_: Try the software serial in pigpio
[16:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0YD-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0YD-11
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[16:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0YD-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0YD-12
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[17:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1213342 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1213342
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[18:05] <Mike-SA6BSS> fun panelizing a pcb, three different tracker on one board, 10 fits on every 100x100 https://imgur.com/a/lWXak :)
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[18:14] <mattbrejza> http://blog.thisisnotrocketscience.nl/projects/pcb-panelizer/
[18:14] <mattbrejza> adds little breakaways too
[18:16] <PE2BZ> what´s the chip right to the ublox on the version where there are 3 from ?
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[18:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03FOOL1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FOOL1
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[18:30] <Mike-SA6BSS> PE2BZ: pic18f26k22
[18:30] <Mike-SA6BSS> mattbrejza: Tnx!!
[18:30] <mattbrejza> np
[18:31] <Mike-SA6BSS> PE2BZ: http://www.om3bc.com/docs/payload/payload_en.html
[18:34] <PE2BZ> tnx Mike
[18:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0YD-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0YD-13
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[19:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5PGW-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5PGW-11
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[20:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[20:40] <Ian_> whereis HIRFW-6
[20:40] <Ian_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[20:40] <SpacenearUS> 03Ian_: 03HIRFW-6 is over 03United States 10(62.48107,-167.03785) at 0311999 meters
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[22:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SCOTT_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SCOTT_chase
[22:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TESTING_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TESTING_chase
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[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4620765 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4620765
[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1133949 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1133949
[23:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4533578 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4533578
[23:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4333085 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4333085
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