highaltitude.log.20180214

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[00:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[00:38] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[00:38] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 is over 03Sea of Japan 10(39.48107,138.96215) at 0311999 meters
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[01:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N2010336 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N2010336
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[06:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03icarusIV after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=icarusIV
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[07:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03JORIS-1 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JORIS-1
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[08:37] <Darkside> argh is there no way to make fldigi choose to use either left or right channels
[08:37] <fsphil> nope :)
[08:37] <Darkside> im sure there used to be
[08:37] <fsphil> though there's an option to reverse left/right on receive
[08:38] <Darkside> oh ffs
[08:38] <Darkside> yes there is
[08:38] <Darkside> on version 3.22
[08:38] <Darkside> so i can do it, but none of the data will get uploaded to habitat
[08:38] <Darkside> sigh
[08:40] <Darkside> urgh i guess i could add habitat upload support to FldigiBridge...
[08:40] <Darkside> as a workaround
[08:42] <fsphil> https://github.com/fsphil/dl-fldigi/blob/master/src/soundcard/sound.cxx#L1226
[08:42] <fsphil> might be as simple as adding a + 1 there
[08:42] <fsphil> not sure
[08:43] <Darkside> and then recompiling for windows..
[08:43] <fsphil> ah. ackward
[08:47] <Darkside> bugger it, i've already got a function to upload a telemetry sentence to habitat
[08:47] <Darkside> may as well add the ability to FldigiBridge to do it
[08:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUS after 0310 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUS
[08:51] <Darkside> >_>
[08:51] <Darkside> right, so i can run dl-fldigi in 'normal' mode
[08:51] <Darkside> operating on the left channel
[08:51] <Darkside> and then i can run the latest fldigi on the right channel, and use FldigiBridge to handle the habitat upload bits
[08:51] <Darkside> this is going to be fun
[08:53] <fsphil> why do you hate yourself
[08:54] <Darkside> heh
[08:54] <Darkside> so the idea is a flight thats instrumented up to the hilt
[08:54] <Darkside> tracking both RTTY and THOR off the same SDR
[08:54] <Darkside> but of course that means running parallel telemetry processing chains
[08:58] <mfa298> On windows I've done that sort of thing with sdr radio and multiplpe virtual audio cables, you can tell eaxh tuner in sdr radio which vac to use and whether to send on left, right or both
[08:58] <Darkside> yeah
[08:58] <Darkside> i could use multiple virtual audio cables
[09:04] <Darkside> sigh, there goes my idea of nicely decoupled fldigi<->UDP bridge object and gui
[09:04] <Darkside> now i've got signals going all over the shop to update stuff
[09:05] <Darkside> actually bugger it, this is going to get used so rarely i may as well not have this on the GUI...
[09:05] <fsphil> command lines and pipes are a kind of gui
[09:06] <Darkside> well i already have command line options to do stuff like make it look at a different ARQ port
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[09:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03THORUS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=THORUS
[09:15] <Darkside> hrm
[09:17] <Darkside> ok, so i have to upload strings with the trailing newline for it to work
[09:17] <Darkside> so be it
[09:17] <daveake> "thorus", nice :)
[09:17] <Darkside> HORUS and THORUS :-)
[09:17] <Darkside> just to confuse people
[09:17] <daveake> It's like that was planned in advance :)
[09:17] <Darkside> not at all
[09:17] <Darkside> haha
[09:18] <Darkside> right well this habitat upload stuff is working
[09:18] <Darkside> so thats nice
[09:23] <craag> Hmm so that'll work with stock fldigi, awesome :)
[09:24] <craag> I should really sort out building dl-fldigi for recent ubuntu, might put it off til 18.04 though..
[09:29] <Darkside> sigh now i need to figure out how to run a python script *and* pass in command line arguments from a shortcut on windows
[09:36] <Darkside> ok got that working...
[09:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUSLORA1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA1
[09:42] <Darkside> right, 3 payloads uploading
[09:42] <Darkside> two via custom code
[09:42] <Darkside> craag: https://github.com/projecthorus/horus_utils/blob/master/apps/FldigiBridge.py#L311
[09:43] <craag> Yep had already looked :)
[09:44] <Darkside> tis quite simple
[09:44] <Darkside> looks for the $$, then the checksum
[09:44] <Darkside> and makes assumptions about the first few fields
[09:45] <Darkside> also other fun part here is i'm controlling the PC running the RX via RDP over wifi
[09:45] <Darkside> if i open up eitehr fldigi window, or sdr console, the waterfall update rate makes the machine choke
[09:46] <craag> lol
[09:46] <Darkside> and sdr console starts dropping audio, and hence both fldidi's get packet errors
[09:46] <Darkside> so... to get reliable decode, i have to have everything minimised
[09:46] <Darkside> somethign something uncertainty principle
[09:47] <craag> Reminds me of decoding on my old atom netbook, exactly that, worked best with everything minimised and then watching tracker on phone to check it was still uploading :P
[09:47] <Darkside> well you can check the fldigi bridge output to check you are getting data
[09:48] <Darkside> and ozimux will also tell you the same
[09:53] <craag> Yeah that's ideal. I had a go at trying running the udp stuff in multicast rather than broadcast - no luck.
[09:54] <craag> works for me within a host, but not between two, broadcast on same port works fine :/
[09:54] <Darkside> i'd love to make it all som ekind of auto-detectinv MQTT thingo
[09:55] <Darkside> but...
[09:55] <Darkside> too hard basket for now
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[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4534062 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4534062
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4423230 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4423230
[12:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3S22 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3S22
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[12:30] <Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCbGwxYiWug
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[15:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03$$MancBalloonian_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=%24%24MancBalloonian_chase
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[15:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Manc - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Manc
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[16:00] <SpeedEvil> https://www.dlr.de/iaa.symp/Portaldata/49/Resources/dokumente/archiv10/pdf/0605.pdf Cubesat sized reentry vehicle.
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[16:00] <SpeedEvil> Note page 5. 'coin for scale'
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[16:37] <nigle> And "12MW/m² for 15s" - I make that about 95kW!
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> I was idly wondering in the context of literally throwing a ton of this class of probe at Mars, a few days out from a possible larger ship entry.
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> As in a couple thousand.
[16:40] <russss> very cute
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> Annoyingly, not flown yet, though they have done HAB testing
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> http://www.irs.uni-stuttgart.de/news/news_0139.html?__locale=en
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/KSat_Stuttgart/status/954713799898140672 Satellite electronics - it's what's for dinner.
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> (same team, not the above project)
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[17:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1134151 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1134151
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[17:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FOOL1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FOOL1
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[17:53] <PE2BZ> Good evening. I am still having problems to get the receiver(s) on the map for my RTTY / LoRa payload.
[17:54] <PE2BZ> Stuart did send me a little modification which makes the sequence number for RTTY different than the one for LoRa. So LoRa transmits sequence 132 and rtty transmits sequence 133. Still the PE2BZ_fldigi receiver (rtty) does not appear on the map.
[17:55] <PE2BZ> https://pastebin.com/AQs1x0SZ
[17:55] <PE2BZ> that´s the output on the logtail parser which looks allright to me.
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[18:34] <mfa298> PE2BZ: do you mean the position from the location from the fldigi software isn't showing as a reciever station ?
[18:36] <PE2BZ> mfa298 not completely. As soon as I take my lora_gateway offline (enable_habitat=N) my pe2bz_fldigi shows on the tracker as receiver for the rtty part of the payload. But with the lora tracker uploading enabled the rtty receiver does not appear as listener on the tracker.
[18:36] <PE2BZ> That happened also with my flight from last friday. Only the lora receivers where on the map, however all rtty receivers are mentioned in the Pie for that flight
[18:37] Action: cm13g09 waves to mfa298
[18:37] <PE2BZ> Tonight I added a sequence update, creating different strings for the rtty and lora part of the tracker, but even then the rtty receiver does not show up as receiving station on the habhub tracker.
[18:38] <PE2BZ> [2018-02-14 18:37:37,319] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] '$$FOOL1,215,18:37:11,51.99158,4.19878,28,4,3506,128,20,71,3,13,0,0*ED66\n' (0107700240bdc2066c396787465236667473d922bdb1a69bc33236cee2331413) from PE2BZ_fldigi
[18:39] <PE2BZ> But that line also appears in the logtail when the lora tracker is uploading, but then the fldigi station is no longer listed.
[18:39] <mfa298> so your payload is sending FOOL1,132,... for lora then FOOL1,133 for rtty (then presumably FOOL,134,... for lora again) ?
[18:40] <PE2BZ> right !
[18:40] <mfa298> cm13g09: \*
[18:41] <mfa298> my guess would be that the lora packet is getting uploaded much faster so there's not enough time for the rtty packet to be displayed.
[18:42] <mfa298> if you put a 30s sleep between each packet then you might see both, or just use a different callsign for each mode.
[18:42] Action: mfa298 realises that attempt at a wave didn't really work.
[18:43] <PE2BZ> I have different callsigns for the receiver and yesterday I have added a 25 second delay between the lora and the rtty and that also did not help.
[18:46] <mfa298> I don't think different callsigns for lora gateway and fldigi will make a difference. It sounds like the issue is probably more than the lora packet gets uploaded to the DB and map before the map refreshes to see the rtty packet.
[18:46] <PE2BZ> and the rtty packet arrives in the logtail completely by the way
[18:46] <mfa298> so you see something like: lora packet, map refresh, rtty packet, lora packet, map refresh.
[18:47] <PE2BZ> yes
[18:48] <mfa298> in your delay example it might be more like: lora, map refresh, delay, map refresh, rtty, lora, map refresh
[18:48] <mfa298> you would need the delay after the rtty packet before the next lora packet
[18:49] <mfa298> I suspect the underlying issue is that the rtty packet will take a while to send (assuming 50bd it's going to be 20-30s), but the lora probably only takes a second or two.
[18:50] <mfa298> I think the map polling is a few seconds apart so in most cases there's time for a new lora packet to arrive before the next poll happens.
[18:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[18:50] <PE2BZ> I will move the delay to after the rtty. Should not harm ;-)
[18:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N7PB_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N7PB_chase
[18:51] <PE2BZ> rtty is 100 bd but your explanation is clear.
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[19:03] <PE2BZ> I now have a 65 sec delay for the LoRa tx after the RTTY but no difference at all. 8 seconds between rtty and lora
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[19:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> It's not simply the icons on the map overlaying themselves is it?
[19:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> I make my receivers in slightly different positions
[19:13] <PE2BZ> No, it´s the ¨received xx m ago via¨ callsign part. No rtty receivers appear when even one lora tracker is active.
[19:14] <PE2BZ> So for the flight ¨Stuart Little¨ last friday none of the 7 rtty receivers appeared as receiver, however they all are counted in the Pie in the flightlist
[19:15] <PE2BZ> And now I am testing with almost the same payload (SR1278 instead of RFM98) and the same thing happens
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[19:16] <PE2BZ> Now I appear as pe2bz_fldigi for the rtty part but as soon as I start the lora gateway the rtty receiver disappears and does not come back unless I stop the lora gateway
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[19:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Is the name of lora/fldigi receivers different?
[19:23] <PE2BZ> yes
[19:24] <PE2BZ> pe2bz_lora and pe2bz_fldigi
[19:25] <PE2BZ> But during the flight last friday all other rtty receivers did not appear as receivers so it´s not a local problem I think.
[19:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Odd.
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[19:31] <PE2BZ> I think I take it to the ukhas group tomorrow.
[19:38] <PE2BZ> Thanks for your thoughts both !
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[20:08] <Ian_> I'm not entirely clear as to the exact nature of the problem. The problem is the image/callsign of the airborne tracker or the ground station?
[20:12] <Ian_> If it's the tower on the map, then Geoff at [19:12/13] seems exceedingly likely, so offset the LoRa Gateway coords.
[20:16] <Ian_> I think that's the problem. Virtually move your gateway 20 to 100m to check.
[20:16] <Ian_> So you get two separate towers
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[20:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[21:08] <PE2BZ> Ian_
[21:09] <PE2BZ> No, it´s the ¨received xx m ago via¨ callsign part. No rtty receivers appear when even one lora tracker is active.
[21:10] <Ian_> Ah, OK I guess that it's out of my knowledge base . . . Good luck with the search :)
[21:10] <PE2BZ> Only the lora trackers get displayed as receiving callsigns and no green lines are displayed on the map
[21:10] <PE2BZ> tnx anyway :-)
[21:13] <daveake> Yeah the lora gateway deliberately removes rtty receivers :p
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[22:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP4JLT-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP4JLT-13
[23:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0196 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0196
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1333435 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1333435
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4534077 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4534077
[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4456091 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4456091
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[23:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0196_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0196_chase
[23:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1730336 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1730336
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