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[00:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PL_01 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PL_01
[00:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-11 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-11
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[05:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[05:07] <Ian_> whereis HIRFW-6
[05:08] <Ian_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[05:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Ian_: 03HIRFW-6 is over 03Tamdy District, Uzbekistan 10(43.48107,64.96215) at 0311999 meters
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[10:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RTLS1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RTLS1
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[10:42] <M0CTI> Help
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[10:42] <Darkside> .... i need somebody
[10:45] <daveake> help
[10:46] <Darkside> .... not just anybody
[10:46] <Darkside> daveake: shouldnt you be preparing for a launch
[10:46] <daveake> I have
[10:46] <daveake> I looked out the window
[10:46] <Darkside> and turned a payload on
[10:46] <daveake> Saw the weather thing spiing like crazy
[10:46] <daveake> spinning
[10:47] <daveake> suggested to the launcher that he not bother
[10:47] <Darkside> do you guys not have weather forecasts?
[10:47] <daveake> he's here soon anyway in case it settles down; I'm not hopeful
[10:47] <daveake> Yup and it says "same as yesterday" and that was too windy
[10:48] <Darkside> heh
[10:48] <Darkside> i am seeing 15 knot winds increasing to about 20 knots over the next few hours
[10:49] <Darkside> using https://skysight.io/ , which is my current go-to weather forecasting service
[10:49] <daveake> yeah
[10:49] <daveake> That's the only knots happening here
[10:49] <Darkside> har har.
[10:49] <Darkside> so instead you're playing with your payloads
[10:50] <daveake> yeah didn't mean to put that one online ...
[10:50] <daveake> ... just moving the servo control from the Pi to the Arduino
[10:50] <daveake> Forgot I had a gateway running
[10:51] <Darkside> hehe
[10:53] <dbrooke> Darkside: I moved auto_rx from the BBB to an Odroid-C2 and subjectively it seems to decode better with much lower CPU load but the RTL-SDR keeps failing - https://stuff.dbrooke.me.uk/sp-H3v5up
[10:54] <dbrooke> I used to get USB resets on the BBB but it never failed completely
[10:54] <Darkside> mmk
[10:54] <Darkside> sorry, i've only tested on a pi 2/3
[10:56] <dbrooke> OK, I wasn't sure what reset_rtlsdr() does and it may not behave the same on different hardware, I'll delve in deeper but just thought I'd mention it
[10:57] <Darkside> reset_rtlsdr finds the rtlsdr on lsusb and issues a usb reset to it
[10:57] <Darkside> shoud work on anything with a usb bus
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[11:02] <dbrooke> I read the log properly - don't have usbutils installed so no lsusb. Doh! Try again 8-)
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9HFJ-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9HFJ-11
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:10] <Darkside> dbrooke: interesting, wasnt aware that wasnt installed by efault on some machines
[11:10] <Darkside> will add it to the install instructions
[11:17] <trickv> daveake: you online?
[11:17] <daveake> hiya
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4533582 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4533582
[11:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BUZZ after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BUZZ
[11:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4513304 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4513304
[11:34] <dbrooke> Darkside: I used a minimal install image - I don't like clutter - and it was obviously a bit too minimal. It looks like I also had to install psmisc
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL2IK after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL2IK
[12:15] <PE2BZ> Good afternoon. Daveake any update if the launch goes on ?
[12:19] <PE1ANS> and any info aboud the Youtube link Daveake ?
[12:26] <PE2BZ> PE1ANS goedemiddag Jan, ik heb nog een vraag voor je gedropt in habnl, mocht je in de gelegenheid zijn
[12:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4513311 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4513311
[12:41] <daveake> Launch postponed for another day
[12:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LU1ESY-3 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU1ESY-3
[12:42] <PE2BZ> thanks for info Dava
[12:42] <PE1ANS> daveake tnx info
[13:09] <daveake> Change of plan ... down the valley by the trees is OK, so we're going to give it a go
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[13:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SAM - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SAM
[13:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_chase
[13:58] <Ian_> G0PAi QAP LoRa 433.450 mode 2
[14:01] <PE2BZ> 433 ?
[14:02] <Ian_> 434.450MHz - cold fingers
[14:02] <PE2BZ> ;-)
[14:03] <PE2BZ> Gold finger taa taaaa taaa
[14:03] <PE2BZ> Can someone email me an smd resistor 12k ?
[14:16] <Ian_> :)
[14:18] <Ian_> Anyone else noticed that suddenly SAM is at St John's Road, BERMUDA. That and that tickv's rx signal in London was suspiciously like a RoW sized signal.
[14:18] <Ian_> Cancel that, SAM is back in RoW
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[14:26] <trickv> were up!
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[14:31] <PE2BZ> Do we have 2 rtty frequencies now and one lora ?
[14:34] <trickv> hmm you should see just one rtty and one lora
[14:34] <PE2BZ> SAM on 434.650 ?
[14:34] <PE2BZ> I have to wait a little bit for the right altitude ;-)
[14:35] <trickv> yep, sam on 434.65
[14:37] <PE2BZ> tnx for info
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[14:50] <Ian_> I notice that sunset today is as 1728z near Banbury, thirteen minutes later than in the West Midlands . . . :(
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[14:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLACKOPS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLACKOPS_chase
[14:52] <trickv> woo, were at a petrol station in Ross-onWye and i am receiving rtty on my yagi from here!
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[14:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NAZGUL_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NAZGUL_chase
[14:56] <daveake> trickv Looks like somewhere between Banbury and Stratford
[14:57] <Ian_> Not so much as a LoRa BUZZ on my lora-gateway near West Bromwich. Just staring at me . . .
[15:03] <Ian_> lora RSSI no antenna=-132, antenna=-107, antenna+HAB amp=-97. Must get an SDR to see just what's happening or not!
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[15:06] <trickv> btw how does the rtty sound? my first 1/4 wave antenna build...its very fragile hut seems to be working
[15:10] <PE2BZ> Is it 10 mW output power ? It was decodable about 8 km before the blue circle so the signal is very good.
[15:12] <trickv> yes, its a MTX2, 10mW
[15:13] <PE2BZ> You did make a good antenna !
[15:16] <PE1ANS> trickv excellent signal !!! great job....
[15:27] <Ian_> PE2BZ do you copy BUZZ on lora 434.450MHz at all and if so what is your RSSI reading. I seem to be deaf :)
[15:30] <PE1ANS> Ian_ ... RX BUZZ o.k. rssi -108 ...
[15:31] <PE2BZ> packet snr = -10 rssi = -122 and 79 packets so far
[15:33] <PE1ANS> Pakket SNR 5 on this moment..
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[15:38] <Ian_> Many thanks. I must investigate the local noise floor. I seem to be pretty deaf. I only ever copied lora from a flight that neared Wolverhampton, in the UK West Midlands, some considerable time ago.
[15:41] <Ian_> I have a 'bit' of a hill directly to my southern aspect. It's very close but not that high. Notably all my HAM comms goes generally Northwards.
[15:41] <PE2BZ> You did not transmit 50 W on UHF on a nearby antenna did you ?
[15:43] <PE2BZ> Ian -5 kHz freq error
[15:44] <Ian_> No, same antenna swaps between functions on either side of the room. No antenna switches either. Other than that the lora board would be in the same room with no antenna connected, and 50W about 8m away outside the house.
[15:45] <trickv> should burdt any minute...say ~28k
[15:45] <PE2BZ> programmed burst ?
[15:45] <Ian_> retuned -5kHz
[15:45] <PE2BZ> Or air pressure driven ?
[15:46] <PE2BZ> trickv received over 610 km in the Northeast of the Netherlands with only 10 meter antenna height !
[15:47] <PE1ANS> that's depends of the used LoRa module,, I have here -03 Khz AFC..
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[15:54] <PE2BZ> Bursted
[15:55] <PE2BZ> 31 km, nice altitude
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[15:56] <vk4tec> down they come
[15:59] <vk4tec> watching in Brisabane Australia / we got hit with bad storms overnight half the city is dark
[16:00] <vk4tec> man that tracking is accurate
[16:06] <daveake> trickv: You missed the right turn on the A44
[16:07] <daveake> Turn round, turn left onto A44
[16:07] <trickv> yep were now 5 cars back
[16:08] <trickv> i think my tracker died? buzz looks ok
[16:09] <vk4tec> SAM not been heard for 6 MINS
[16:09] <PE1ANS> trickv daveake ... Tnx for the nice flight ... Grtzz
[16:12] <vk4tec> Yep SAM is hanging there LOL
[16:14] <trickv> daveake: were stuck behind a few cars, will go left on A436
[16:17] <vk4tec> SAM > 14 MINS
[16:17] <vk4tec> BUZZ OK
[16:18] <daveake> trickv: We're parked - drive to where we are on the map
[16:18] <trickv> yep. on A436 now
[16:20] <trickv> habhub has us going south, dont eorry, its wrong
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[16:27] <vk4tec> North
[16:29] <vk4tec> touchdown
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[16:35] <vk4tec> 200 m north
[16:36] <trickv> i see it daveake
[16:38] <vk4tec> sweet
[16:38] <vk4tec> well done
[16:47] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[16:47] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Zhanakorgan District, Kazakhstan 10(43.48107,66.96215) at 0311999 meters about 0310 hours ago
[16:50] <vk4tec> LORA : 1 RTTY : 0
[16:51] <vk4tec> looks like he got it / BUZZ is moving
[16:54] <vk4tec> 200 m to car
[16:58] <vk4tec> BUZZ / SAM retrieval complete
[17:01] <daveake> Yeah, was about to say so, but the map tells all :)
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[17:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[17:04] <vk4tec> nice work / lucky buzz was on board
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[17:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC7EPG-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC7EPG-11
[17:08] <trickv> payload retrieved
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[17:13] <trickv> tracker SAM still has power and the gps still has power/signal but the Pi appears dark. cant tell if its running.
[17:15] <vk4tec> twitter @vk4tec cheers
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[17:28] <trickv> any tips on how to tell if a Pi is still running when it has no neteork connection or serial console?
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[17:31] <trickv> obviously i can power cycle it, just wondering if any ideas of tests to do before i power it off
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[17:42] <trickv> big thanks to daveake
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[17:44] <trickv> daveake: who were the guys at the exit of the drive? landowners?
[18:12] Nick change: pe2bz_ -> PE2BZ
[18:17] <PE2BZ> trickv attach monitor and keyboard ?
[18:21] <daveake> trickv: Yeah "What you doing on our private drive?"
[18:22] <daveake> It was fine they were just checking we weren't up to no good
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[18:47] <trickv> cool thanks for talking to them daveake
[18:47] <trickv> snow here as we enter london
[18:47] <daveake> yeah snowing here too
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[18:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PE2BZ after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PE2BZ
[19:02] <PE2BZ> Good evening. I am testing a tracker with both RTTY and LoRa. Somehow the RTTY receivers do not appear on the tracker, the LoRa receivers do. Can anyone tell me why this is ?
[19:03] <PE2BZ> Same thing happened with the friday flight of the same design tracker with the same payload doc.
[19:03] <Ian_> What was that design?
[19:04] <PE2BZ> My Little Stuart ;-)
[19:05] <Ian_> Rgr, a custom design (unique)
[19:05] <adamgreig> PE2BZ: have you checked the log?
[19:05] <adamgreig> http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[19:06] <adamgreig> any errors in parsing packets will appear there against your payload name and id
[19:06] <adamgreig> (be sure to be actively uploading while watching the log)
[19:06] <PE2BZ> adamreig I did not. Now viewing :-)
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[19:09] <PE2BZ> First I will disable the habitat for the LoRa, should make it easier.
[19:11] Action: PE2BZ is entering ¨confused mode¨
[19:12] <PE2BZ> as soon as I disabled habitat in Lora gateway my callsign appeared as rtty listener
[19:13] <adamgreig> are lora and rtty transmitting same messages or diff callsigns etc?
[19:13] <PE2BZ> same messages and callsigns
[19:14] <adamgreig> might just be the normal deduplication then - we only log a receiver callsign once per received message
[19:14] <adamgreig> you could use a different receiver callsign for rtty than for lora
[19:14] <PE2BZ> makes sence, for the receivers I use different callsigns pe2bz and pe2bz_lora
[19:15] <daveake> Yeah, that's what I do
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[19:18] <PE2BZ> daveake you also do send the same strings in LoRa and RTTY right ?
[19:20] <daveake> If you mean the same fields, then generally yes. The exception is that when I have a LoRa uplink, the details for that (SNR for last message, etc) are only sent out on that LoRa channel
[19:21] <PE2BZ> Understood.
[19:24] <PE2BZ> None of the rtty listeners to my payload from friday appeared on the map, only the LoRa receivers did. There where 3 stations receiving RTTY only (do not own LoRa gateway yet) and they did not appear on the map. They did appear in the Pie for Stuart Little on habitat stats however.
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[19:37] <PE2BZ> Looks like if the received message allready appeared it is ignored by the parser. If I quit the lora gateway then the pe2bz_fldigi shows up in the parser logtail. If the lora gateway is running only the pe2bz_lora appears in the logtail. FLDIGI says telemetry is uploaded succesfully but there is no sign of it in the logtail. 6 uploaded telemetry packets from pe2bz_fldigi so far but only one pe2bz_fldigi in the logtail.
[19:43] <adamgreig> hmm that is also true, the parser will only parse the same message once (for obvious reasons)
[19:43] <adamgreig> but each receiver should still be added to the list of receivers for that message (only once per receiver callsign) and so show up on the website
[19:45] <PE2BZ> Sounds right to me. However, as soon as I start the lora_gateway again the pe2bz_lora gets on the map and the pe2bz_fldigi gets ignored and does not even show in the logtail.
[19:49] <PE2BZ> But I will play safe and make a new payload doc for this payload and try again. Not shure if it could be the payload doc but better safe then sorry
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[19:59] <dbrooke> I'm not sure that the map always displays all receivers, perhaps depending on the relative times of reception. Certainly for your flight my map showed only me as the receiver of the last message but when I changed something which caused it to reload the view several other receivers appeared in the list.
[20:05] <vaizki> it has been discussed before and I guess if your station uploads a telemetry string that's already in the db, you just get added to the original message and don't pop up on the map as a receiver.. or something
[20:05] <vaizki> my memory fails me here
[20:06] <adamgreig> hmm
[20:06] <adamgreig> maybe because/if the lora/rtty are quite far apart in time
[20:07] <adamgreig> there's probably a window after first reception where subsequent receptions matter
[20:07] <dbrooke> it probably depends on the timing of whatever causes the map to request an update from the database and whether a new message has arrived or not
[20:07] <adamgreig> if the sentence has already been received over lora and you receive it again over rtty a while later, maybe it won't show the receiver in that case
[20:08] <PE2BZ> So if the tracker would transmit the actual time both for lora and rtty instead of the same time I would have no problem ?
[20:09] <vaizki> or just increment the sequence.. or use different callsigns.. or...
[20:09] <vaizki> I think most people would prefer the timestamp and gps coords to match
[20:09] <PE2BZ> But I have made a new payload doc with the right settings, and no Lora receiver on at the moment. The parser says
[20:09] <vaizki> so people on rtty and lora don't get different speeds etc if you just nudge the timestamp
[20:09] <PE2BZ> [2018-02-11 20:08:35,110] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Parsed data: {
[20:09] <PE2BZ> [2018-02-11 20:08:35,110] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: UKHAS parsed data from PE2BZ successfully
[20:09] <PE2BZ> [2018-02-11 20:08:35,105] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Selected payload_configuration d8fb75d0ef9e409abd44159327cec235 for 'PE2BZ'
[20:09] <PE2BZ> [2018-02-11 20:08:35,036] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] '$$PE2BZ,66,20:08:09,51.99137,4.19885,0,6,3485,128,11,71,3,5,0,0*D29A\n' (7da77e2626809f63cde7c95c20da59d7b8c853686fdbd8f2246197a7e0e62d94) from PE2BZ_fldigi
[20:09] <PE2BZ> [2018-02-11 20:08:34,865] DEBUG habitat.parser_daemon MainThread: Saved doc aae9d64d1e08743d156b78cf46b342d8e15b5ac36575c29f3e7b319f8dcecda8 successfully after 1 attempts
[20:09] <dbrooke> I suspect yours is the first dual-mode tracker which repeats the same sentence in both modes, others alternate mode between subsequent sentences
[20:09] <adamgreig> i mean, at the moment the only problem is which receivers you see for packets already successfully received at least once
[20:10] <adamgreig> it's not going to lose data
[20:10] <adamgreig> if you missed it on lora and then receive on rtty, that'l work
[20:10] <adamgreig> but yea i guess if you transmit slightly difference sentences - even just different sentence ID or whatever - between lora and rtty, it should also work (to some extent - your receivers list will show whoever received the most recent packet, be it rtty or lora)
[20:10] <PE2BZ> Understood, but my listeners would like to see themselves on the map. That´s the only ¨problem¨
[20:10] <adamgreig> (so the lora receiver will show up half the time and the rtty the other half)
[20:11] <adamgreig> oh yep, that should fix that then
[20:11] <adamgreig> I imagine
[20:11] <adamgreig> only way to be completely sure is to try it out though, who knows what this thing does :P
[20:11] <PE2BZ> I ´ll give the documentation a go tomoorow to find out different callsigns for LoRa and RTTY I think I have read something about that.
[20:12] <PE2BZ> adamreig I will keep this tracker in home till it´s fixed :-)
[20:12] <PE2BZ> However, I can send commands to space :-)
[20:12] <adamgreig> diff callsigns for lora/rtty transmitter could work but will show as two separate balloons on the map
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[20:13] <PE2BZ> I will ask Stuart what would be better. Different timestamp I guess.
[20:13] <PE2BZ> Thanks for listening and responding all, I am afk to the XYL
[20:14] <dbrooke> in the EPT sequence 979 for eample has both PE1ANS-LoRa and PE1ANS (which may be RTTY)
[20:14] <PE2BZ> dbrooke PE1ANS uses the same tracker
[20:14] <PE2BZ> excuse me but what is an EPT sequence ?
[20:15] <dbrooke> the export of the telemetry http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[20:15] <dbrooke> you can download a dump of the database entries for the flight
[20:16] <PE2BZ> All the listeners indeed also appeared on the Pie but not on the map.
[20:17] Action: trickv is back home now...trying to debug what happened to SAM
[20:17] <PE2BZ> So they are logged but only do not show on the map.
[20:17] <dbrooke> so it's most likely just the timing of the map updates rather than lost data
[20:18] <PE2BZ> I will try to split it to every 30 seconds rtty and then lora and then rtty. I will let you know
[20:18] <PE2BZ> thanks all !
[20:18] <PE2BZ> bye
[20:18] <dbrooke> possibly the next message comes in before it's added all the receivers to the list for the previous one?
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[21:22] <KeyserSoze3D> howdy
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[21:34] <trickv> daveake: seriously, thanks again :) going through the data & photos here, pretty cool stuff!
[21:35] <Darkside> oh you did launch?
[21:36] <trickv> yeah we did Darkside - we tried a interesting launch maneuver...
[21:37] <trickv> there's a tree line at the bottom of the hill which was blocking the wind a bit
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[23:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4513293 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4513293
[23:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0220110 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0220110
[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1630307 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1630307
[23:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4413084 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4413084
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