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[00:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4443071 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4443071
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[01:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03L4513290 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=L4513290
[01:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03hello_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hello_chase
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[02:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WBL_SCOUTS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WBL_SCOUTS
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[05:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[09:15] <emdeex> Hi All... just to introduce, I'm planning to launch a HAB from Warrnambool, Australia in the coming weeks/months. We're testing the piinthesky Zero board currently... so far so good. We have some support for Project Horus in Adelaide... our group is mostly new to UHF radio, so we are learning as we go...
[09:16] <Darkside> :D
[09:16] <Darkside> emdeex: hi - Mark J here
[09:16] <emdeex> our call sign will be WBL_SCOUTS, as I am a Scout leader and running the project with the Scouts...
[09:16] <emdeex> Hi Mark!
[09:17] <Darkside> emdeex: you're on a much better track than many other balloon launch groups, in that you're getting your telemetry working and tested well prior to launch
[09:18] <Darkside> a lot of groups try and launch to a particular date, or just too quickly in general
[09:18] <Darkside> and end up getting somethign wrong
[09:18] <emdeex> I did a test run today by setting up the LoRa receiver gateway in my loungeroom window... and drove the tracker out a couple of km's... it worked..and was updating on habhub.
[09:20] <Darkside> yep thats a good start
[09:20] <Darkside> you will of course get far less range over the ground than you will with it in the air
[09:20] <emdeex> I built a ground plane antenna for the tracker...according to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xemKyV1H6Xs
[09:21] <Darkside> hah, havent seen those videos, but i've launched with him before :D
[09:22] <emdeex> I'm not sure yet logistically how to fly both the LoRa antenna (which I taped to the bottom up the foam capsule), and a RTTY antenna which needs to be seperated from the LoRa... I guess I'll nut something out.
[09:22] <Darkside> yeah that gets a bit annoying
[09:22] <Darkside> dependin on how big your box is you can separate them a bit
[09:23] <emdeex> Can I post images on here so you can see what I made so far?
[09:23] <Darkside> sure, upload them to http://imgur.com/
[09:23] <Darkside> and post the link
[09:23] <emdeex> ok
[09:24] <Darkside> i was building payload antennas today myself :-)
[09:25] <Darkside> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Vfz21bIM2sSyK7Bi2
[09:27] <emdeex> thats cool... looks like I got pretty close..
[09:27] <emdeex> https://photos.app.goo.gl/FFRP50vgEtiV8aK22
[09:28] <emdeex> my payload box, is a poly sphere
[09:28] <Darkside> hrm, so the ground radials are soldered to teh shield of the coaxial cable?
[09:29] <Darkside> yeah that will make dealing with multiple antennas a lot harder
[09:29] <emdeex> yes... but not soldered... I twisted the ground radials around the shield of the coax...the video said that would work... I was wondering about soldering them.
[09:29] <Darkside> hrm i dont like that very much...
[09:30] <emdeex> do tell
[09:30] <Darkside> not so convinced it will be a good, reliable connection
[09:30] <Darkside> however, you do need to be careful if soldering to the shield of the coax - its very easy to melt the dielectric surrounding the centre conductor
[09:30] <emdeex> I'll solder them
[09:31] <Darkside> ill try and find the pic of how i build my antennas
[09:31] <emdeex> uh huh, is there something like cold-solder glue or something?
[09:31] <Darkside> nah
[09:31] <Darkside> https://photos.app.goo.gl/caRN65bNVDWogHem1
[09:32] <Darkside> not saying its the best way of doing it, its just the way i do it
[09:33] <emdeex> I wasn't sure if the ground radials had to be square or if it was OK to bend them up around the sphere...
[09:33] <Darkside> bending them up around the sphere is fine
[09:34] <emdeex> great photos... I'll save that for reference!
[09:34] <Darkside> i'd also want to look at reinforcing the main element too
[09:35] <Darkside> if you get so much as a tiny nick in the dieelctric around the centre conductor, the flapping of the element when its in the air can cause it to break off
[09:35] <Darkside> (have had that happen once before)
[09:35] <emdeex> yep, what can you suggest for reinforcing?
[09:35] <Darkside> i've seen people run the antenna into somethign like a drinking straw
[09:36] <Darkside> it really has to be customised to the individual payload
[09:36] <Darkside> in my case i'm just using more rigid and strong wire for the elements
[09:38] <emdeex> I see, right.. I'll find something
[09:39] <Darkside> you can see in my pictures how i've joined the other wire to the centre conductor of the coax, and then strengthened the joint with heatshrink, and in my case a bit of fibreglass rod
[09:39] <Darkside> in essence the joint between the coax and the wire is glued to the fibreglass rod, so it can't bend (and break)
[09:42] <emdeex> cool... its coming along... the payload is showing up on the map at tracker.habhub.org... and the images are showing up in ssdv.habhub.org which is very cool..
[09:43] <emdeex> I want to wire in a humidity sensor on the Pi Zero and get that logged as well... so that might be next
[09:43] <Darkside> ah yep i see the images
[09:43] <Darkside> nice
[09:45] <emdeex> I'm having trouble getting the HDMI output to work on the Pi Zero... I've plugged in a mini-HDMI adapter.. but I can't get a display yet.. just no signal... pain
[09:45] <Darkside> hrm not sure about that one
[09:45] <Darkside> daveake would know, but he's out all day
[09:46] <emdeex> with you Zero's do you config them via the HDMI OK?
[09:46] <Darkside> i configure all of mine via a network connection
[09:46] <emdeex> You plug a micro-USB to lan adaptor in?
[09:47] <Darkside> to wifi,but yes
[09:47] <Darkside> you also need to edit a few config files to get it to jump onto the wifi
[09:47] <Darkside> unfortunately editing those config files on anything other than a linux PC is difficult
[09:47] <Darkside> there may be an easier way to do it
[09:48] <emdeex> yes, that's what I think I need to do... I can edit them using the Pi3 I have... job for tomorrow maybe
[09:48] <daveake> You can put dhcpcd.conf on the fat part, I think
[09:48] <daveake> Er
[09:48] <Darkside> i usually go editing wpa_supplicant.conf
[09:48] <daveake> Whatever the WiFi file is
[09:48] <Darkside> daveake: any ideas about the hdmi thing?
[09:48] <daveake> That
[09:49] <Darkside> i think you have it turned off by default?
[09:49] <Darkside> or something
[09:49] <daveake> Always worked for me
[09:49] <Darkside> :/
[09:50] <emdeex> I just tried the HDMI with another monitor... no go on that one either... weird... possible its the adaptor maybe but dont have another one on hand right now
[09:50] <Darkside> and have you tried rebooting with the hdmi cable plugged in?
[09:50] <daveake> There is a pisky.txt setting that turns it off after booting, but that's not enabled by default, and it would work during boot anyway
[09:51] <daveake> That's key the pi senses hdmi at boot
[09:51] <emdeex> darkside - did try booting with hdmi on... no go
[09:52] <Darkside> hrm
[09:52] <Darkside> yeah no idea sorry.. i havent had any of my pi zeros or zero Ws connected up to a monitor
[09:53] <emdeex> daveake - with the Pi Zero with its pits board on top.. can I stack another board on top? A friend has a 3.5" TFT that connects via the GPIO
[09:54] <Darkside> to use that TFT you would need to make other updates to the software
[09:54] <Darkside> you cant just plug it in
[09:55] <emdeex> oh well - tomorrow I'm sure I'll either get the WiFI or an ethernet connection up to it... then can debug the hdmi... thanks guys! going to put the kids in bed now.. ciao
[09:58] <daveake> I'd try another monitor. I've always connected my pi's to a monitor at first (to check the IP so I can ssh) and it's always worked :/
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[10:08] <Darkside> daveake: i usuaully change the hostname, set up wpa supplicant so it auto connects
[10:08] <Darkside> then just ssh into pi@newhostname.local
[10:48] <mfa298> if you use the pure raspbian image (rather than noobs) you can stick a wpa_supplicant.conf file in the boot partition and it'll copy that in on first boot (maybe on later boots as well)
[10:49] <mfa298> you can also stick a file called ssh on that partition as well so it enables ssh on first boot (and again might work with later boots as well)
[10:49] <mfa298> means you can get into the Pi and configure it from windows as well fairly easily :)
[10:51] <mfa298> that's how I setup most of my Pi's, then ssh to pi@raspberrypi and set the hostname create users etc.
[10:55] <Darkside> ahh ok i didnt know it copied the files across
[10:55] <Darkside> i knew about the ssh file
[10:55] <Darkside> i usually just go into the filesystem's /etc/ and modify stuff before first boot
[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4534071 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4534071
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4513309 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4513309
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[11:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[12:11] <Mike-SA6BSS> first beta of sdr-console V3 http://www.sdr-radio.com/Blog/PostId/26/v3-beta
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[14:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Ford_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ford_chase
[15:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LU1ESY-3 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU1ESY-3
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[17:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AGGIE-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AGGIE-2
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[18:31] <dbrooke> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-43006771
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[19:14] <fsphil> some dodgey looking people in this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWQuMnWcmwc
[19:20] <daveake> I wonder if I can gate-crash this year's event with a guided HAB landing
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[19:44] <craag> yeah fsphil :P
[19:45] <daveake> :)
[20:04] <fsphil> well we've launched one
[20:04] <fsphil> time to land one :)
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[21:47] <vk4tec> what balloons are going up today ? Australia / UK ?
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[21:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SAM - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SAM
[21:52] <trickv> vk4tec: I'm (fingers crossed) doing my first launch tomorrow! in the UK.
[21:53] <vk4tec> nice
[21:53] <vk4tec> what radio technology ?
[21:53] <trickv> nothing exciting, simple RTTY telemetry only
[21:53] <vk4tec> ok
[21:53] <vk4tec> fl digi ?
[21:53] <trickv> well, nothing exciting for any of you, but terrifying for me!
[21:54] <vk4tec> ah - i have never done one
[21:54] <trickv> yeah fldigi, in fact my payload is on the map right now testing (see link above to SAM)
[21:54] <vk4tec> yeah i was just looking at sam
[21:54] <vk4tec> what micro processor ?
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[21:55] <trickv> raspberry pi
[21:55] <vk4tec> ok
[21:55] <vk4tec> have been playing with 915 MHz lora here
[21:55] <trickv> a bit of information on it in my launch announcement here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/3u_Qb1u2Xjo
[21:55] <vk4tec> sweet
[21:57] <vk4tec> pi nano
[21:57] <vk4tec> is that new ?
[21:57] <vk4tec> i only know the zero
[21:57] <trickv> oops, I meant zero
[21:57] <trickv> haha I always make that mistake
[21:57] <trickv> no, it's nothing new or super sekrit
[21:58] <vk4tec> yep got one here , i also do aruino
[21:58] <vk4tec> arduino
[22:02] <trickv> excellent :) I'm familiar as well, but I'm a linux nerd, so I enjoy the Pi more...
[22:04] <vk4tec> same
[22:04] <vk4tec> are you using the GPIO pins to make the rtty ?
[22:07] <trickv> no I'm actually using the onboard UART
[22:07] <trickv> and then to read the GPS I'm using a USB-to-serial adapter
[22:07] <trickv> (although you can bit-bang the RTTY signal, I did it for a while, it's probably fine for the 50 baud I'm doing)
[22:09] <vk4tec> nice
[22:09] <vk4tec> what language are u using ? c / perl / python ?
[22:11] <vk4tec> I use a ublox GPS USB plugs straight in
[22:19] <Darkside> trickv: good luck with the launch, looks like you're on the right track
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[22:19] <Darkside> trickv: and you'll have daveake to help out
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[22:20] <daveake> hmmm
[22:20] <daveake> :)
[22:21] <Darkside> daveake: get anywhere with oziplotter?
[22:21] <daveake> Not really ... seemed a bit obtuse so I stopped
[22:21] <Darkside> oziexplorer you mean
[22:21] <daveake> yeah that
[22:21] <trickv> vk4tec: i'm doing python, the code is here if you'd like to read or borrow: https://github.com/trickv/radio_flyer
[22:22] <Darkside> i think we use maybe 2% of all the features of it
[22:22] <Darkside> panning around the map, changing map, zooming
[22:22] <Darkside> the rest is handled via the oziplotter interface
[22:22] <trickv> thanks Darkside :)
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[22:29] <Darkside_temp> bleh
[22:29] <Darkside_temp> VPS down for maintenance
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[22:47] <Ian_> trickv daveake do you have a prediction for tomorrow's launch?
[22:53] <daveake> East
[22:53] <daveake> Banbury
[22:54] <daveake> That's assuming the wind eases up
[22:57] Action: trickv is off to bed - see you tomorrow daveake
[23:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WBL_SCOUTS after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WBL_SCOUTS
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[23:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
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[23:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[23:15] <Ian_> Thanks Dave. Got the LoRa on the W300 antenna.
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4543017 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4543017
[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4433176 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4433176
[23:20] <Darkside> vk4tec: ^ the flight of the radiosondes...
[23:20] <Darkside> all being scanned and decoded with https://github.com/projecthorus/radiosonde_auto_rx/
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[23:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4620550 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4620550
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