highaltitude.log.20180209

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[00:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4620551 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4620551
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[00:54] <Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/ef815416f7/84044.jpg
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[04:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0303476412_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=03476412_chase
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[06:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03icarusIV after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=icarusIV
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[07:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[09:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
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[10:23] <J4rdn> GM Guys
[10:23] <J4rdn> I'm scanning over my flight data this morning
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[10:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AGSBHAB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AGSBHAB
[10:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLACKOPS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLACKOPS_chase
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[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BUZZ after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BUZZ
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[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4443078 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4443078
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[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4523227 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4523227
[11:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SHOGUN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHOGUN_chase
[11:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03glenda5c_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=glenda5c_chase
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[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03O4523227 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=O4523227
[11:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Mt52322w - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Mt52322w
[11:48] <Darkside> hrm
[11:49] <Darkside> thats not right
[11:49] <Darkside> mwheeler: ^
[11:49] <Darkside> thats the perth station again
[11:49] <craag> lol that's a bit cold
[11:49] <Darkside> the temperature value is bogus
[11:50] <craag> I guessed ;)
[11:50] <Darkside> we dont decode it on the RS92s
[11:50] <craag> ah ok
[11:50] <Darkside> it requires getting calibration data from a bunch of different packets before its usable
[11:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HG8PSL-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HG8PSL-11
[11:58] <craag> I'm liking your ozimux stuff btw - going to see if I can get a mobile lora rx going for dave's flight on sunday.
[11:58] <Darkside> hrm
[11:58] <Darkside> so if you want to use oziplotter, you will need to write an interface for dave's ground station
[11:59] <Darkside> https://github.com/projecthorus/oziplotter/wiki/3---Data-Sources
[11:59] <Darkside> fairly simple format
[12:00] <Darkside> you can either send those packets direct to oziplotter, or into ozimux (which lets you pull in data from habitat too if you want)
[12:01] <craag> yeah more just the way of passing data around, although some sort of map/dashboard view would be the end goal, perhaps web-based off a local device so I can pull it up on a phone
[12:01] <Darkside> yes. i would very much like a complete replacement for oziplotter
[12:01] <craag> rather than using oziexplorer specifcically
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[12:02] <craag> not sure I can compete with that feature set though!
[12:02] <Darkside> https://github.com/darksidelemm/cusf_predictor_wrapper
[12:02] <Darkside> this may be useful in that regard
[12:03] <Darkside> python wrapper around the standalone predictor
[12:03] <craag> does that use the new predictor (tawhiri)?
[12:03] <Darkside> no
[12:03] <Darkside> tawhiri needs the entire GFS dataset
[12:03] <Darkside> and i cannot download that while on 3g
[12:03] <craag> yeah.... fair :)
[12:03] <Darkside> but the point is you run the windgrabber script to get the bit of wind data you need before the launch
[12:04] <craag> have been playing with the new predictor in the plans of something similar
[12:04] <Darkside> i actually have the wind grabber script running on a VPS getting the data and tarballing it up for me
[12:04] <Darkside> so i just wget http://rfhead.net/horus/latest_wind_0p25.tar.gz
[12:11] <craag> Hmm didn't realise how complete your horus_utils are for lora, just needs dave's formats implementing really and then would be a better way of doing this
[12:11] <Darkside> hrm
[12:11] <Darkside> dunno
[12:12] <Darkside> my lora stuff is very much geared towards my own telemetry formats
[12:12] <Darkside> having somethign on dave's ground code to pump data into ozimux would probably be a cleaner solution
[12:13] <Darkside> at some point i want to re-do all the inter-process communication with somethign like MQTT+Zeroconf discovery
[12:13] <Darkside> but thats a long way off
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[12:14] <craag> yeah I was planning to pump data in/out of daves. (in for receiver pos, out for telem)
[12:15] <craag> hmm yes nobody's standardised on that magic packet[0] byte
[12:15] <Darkside> remember that i wrote all my lora stuff on the assumption that all receivers around me will be running my code
[12:16] <craag> yeah that's fair :)
[12:16] <Darkside> and i wrote the ground station stuff almost in parallel with dave's
[12:17] <daveake> cd ..
[12:17] <daveake> ffs
[12:17] <Darkside> haha
[12:18] <daveake> Good job the previous command went in the right window ... git clone from my secret pits repo :p
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[12:18] <Darkside> hah
[12:18] <daveake> tho pwd protected anyway
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[12:18] <Darkside> sekrit repo
[12:18] <daveake> heh
[12:18] <Darkside> i just do all my stuff on github >_>
[12:19] <daveake> Well the things I'm working on but haven't released are there - basically the telnet and guidance stuff
[12:19] <Darkside> ah
[12:19] <daveake> otherwise I'll get emails "hey dave how do I make my habv return to base?"
[12:20] <daveake> There's some conditional compilation so all I have to do is move all the "ex_*" files in or out of the source folder to switch between standard and secret
[12:20] <Darkside> 'you learn to do a proper launch first you twit'
[12:20] <daveake> exactly
[12:20] <Darkside> then once you have 20-30 launchesunder your belt, you start adding in complexity
[12:21] <Darkside> and doing stupid shit
[12:21] <daveake> yup
[12:21] <daveake> Back onto my return-t0-base stuff now
[12:21] <daveake> might even fly it this year :/
[12:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PE2BZ after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PE2BZ
[12:22] <Darkside> heh
[12:22] <Darkside> my next launch will be a telemetry shootout
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[12:23] <Darkside> just finished adding a shitload of logging capability to all the horus util stuff
[12:23] <daveake> range or speed ?
[12:23] <Darkside> reliability
[12:23] <daveake> or that
[12:23] <Darkside> more specifically, reliability through mobile flutter, as experienced during balloon chases
[12:23] <Darkside> because RTTY is fucking terrible.
[12:23] <Darkside> now, we still have the lora payload of course, but *some* of the chase teams insist on using ancient modulation techniques
[12:24] <daveake> Which reminds me, I need to mod all my magmounts - they work much better as short solid 1/4 wave
[12:24] <Darkside> and i'm trying to drag them into at least the 2000s :P
[12:24] <daveake> heh
[12:24] <Darkside> oh yes, my antenna switching system worked a treat last flight
[12:24] <daveake> Yeah I don't bother tracking rtty from the car
[12:24] <Darkside> was switching between a 1/4 wave omni, and a turnstile
[12:25] <Darkside> the crossover point was at about 35 degrees elevation
[12:25] <Darkside> helped immensely with maintaining good SNR on the wenet payload
[12:25] <daveake> interesting
[12:25] <Darkside> http://rfhead.net/?p=647
[12:26] <daveake> cheers will read
[12:26] <Darkside> lora was still using just a 1/4 wave mind you
[12:26] <daveake> 434 lora was hopeless at my chase car on wednesday .... however looks like the lora module is broke
[12:26] <daveake> (tx one)
[12:26] <Darkside> the switching system was designed for rx only, specifically for the wenet payload
[12:27] <vaizki> Darkside, you've actually bolted the turstile bracket _through_ the roof"rack"? :O
[12:27] <Darkside> vaizki: the roof rack has a channel within it
[12:27] <Darkside> so i can use channel bolts
[12:27] <Darkside> its not incredibly obvious in that picture
[12:27] <vaizki> ah
[12:28] Action: daveake updates list for next chase car
[12:28] <vaizki> yes a few dB more DR in the black needed :)
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[12:29] <Darkside> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Tf2ul1jhKNLcmmTC3
[12:29] <Darkside> vaizki: ^
[12:29] <vaizki> right
[12:29] <vaizki> & neat
[12:29] <Darkside> so the angle brackets stay on the car
[12:30] <Darkside> but the turnstile itself, can disconnect fairly easily
[12:30] <vaizki> what's the cylinder in the boot, some kind of cavity bpf? :O
[12:30] <Darkside> just a few wingnuts (and the coax cable) to connect that up
[12:30] <Darkside> hah
[12:30] <Darkside> yes
[12:30] <Darkside> its not there any more
[12:30] <daveake> Prolly gonna get rid of the shogun soon (faults are mounting up and CBA fixing it), and get a Santa Fe
[12:31] <Darkside> daveake: 2011 model Rav4 :D
[12:31] <Darkside> perfect car for mounting antennas to
[12:31] <daveake> Ideally the 5-seater as it has a big space under the boot where the extra seats would go
[12:31] <vaizki> ah right there's more pics with the cavity filter in it
[12:31] <Darkside> vaizki: the cavity filter was on the lora receiver, as i was initialyl concerned about my 2/70 mobile rig killing it
[12:32] <Darkside> but it ended up not being an issue, so i removed it
[12:32] <vaizki> killing as in saturating the front-end when txing?
[12:32] <Darkside> that, or possibly damaging it
[12:32] <vaizki> or actually frying it..
[12:33] <vaizki> right
[12:33] <Darkside> all the receivers getting saturated is a fact of life on this car
[12:33] <vaizki> hehe
[12:33] <Darkside> and theres not much i can do about it, short of mounting cavity filters to the roof
[12:33] <Darkside> and even then i'd get leakage into the coax anyway
[12:33] <Darkside> so i just gave up and accepted that i'd wipe out all my receivers whenever i transmit on 2m or 70cm
[12:34] <Darkside> funnily enough, transmitting on 160m doesnt affect the receivers anywhere near as badly :D
[12:36] <daveake> re upward nulls, on my one pico flight we managed to park up underneath its flight path at one point, and waited for it to fly overhead. I think we were within 100m of it horizontally. The signal dropped to almost nothing as it flew over.
[12:36] <vaizki> I covet your TM-D710G :P
[12:36] <Darkside> daveake: this is why i have the turnstile
[12:37] <Darkside> vaizki: it is a very nice radio
[12:37] <daveake> On the lohan thing in Spain we had to drive away from it to get better ssdv reception.
[12:37] <vaizki> I got a pair of remoterig boxes for my TS-480SAT yesterday, setting it up for the first time today
[12:37] <daveake> I think I might make one of those turnstiles
[12:37] <vaizki> a TM-D710G would go well with it :)
[12:38] <Darkside> daveake: i bought mine
[12:38] <daveake> ah righty
[12:38] <Darkside> https://www.ebay.com.au/usr/stanislavpalo130?ul_noapp=true
[12:38] <Darkside> this guy
[12:38] <Darkside> i had to modify the feed a bit, it wasnt well suited to mobile use
[12:39] <Darkside> doesnt look like he has any 70cm ones in stock atm, you may have to message him and ask him about them
[12:39] <daveake> cheers
[12:40] <daveake> 868 would be handy too :)
[12:40] <Darkside> the standard RF socket is just a bulkhead mount thing , with coax soldered to th eback of it
[12:40] <Darkside> fine for stationary use, but it'd fall apart in a mobile situation
[12:40] <Darkside> so i ended up adding on a bit of coax internally, and using a bulkhead-mount N-type crimp connector
[12:41] <Darkside> and replaced the mounting bracket with a custom one made from 3mm aluminium sheet
[12:44] <Darkside> daveake: this was hte other secret weapon on the last flight: http://www.areg.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/IMG_1108.jpg
[12:44] <Darkside> strategially placed ground station with a very very good antenna and receiver
[12:44] <daveake> oh nice
[12:45] <daveake> yeah I imagine that would help reception :)
[12:45] <Darkside> http://www.areg.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Untitled-1.jpg
[12:45] <Darkside> he was running RTTY, and 2x wenet receivers off the one antenna
[12:46] <Darkside> with pointing driven from the LoRa telemetry
[12:48] <Darkside> https://vimeo.com/254736955
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[12:49] <Darkside> that also gives you an idea of how fast the images are downlinked
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[12:52] <fsphil> it's great
[12:52] <fsphil> my "slow" version is just under 4 packets per second
[12:53] <Darkside> also nice part about this is you could go switch to a much higher performance SDR or whatever
[12:53] <fsphil> ah the sound of rtty
[12:53] <Darkside> and get good performance improvements
[12:53] <Darkside> and you have *complete* control over the receive chain, including the modem
[12:53] <fsphil> yeah
[12:54] <fsphil> an rfm could be setup to receive these too, but I don't know how well it would work
[12:54] <Darkside> boo >_
[12:54] <fsphil> :)
[12:55] <Darkside> what would be *Really* nice is a wenet demod that runs on a pi
[12:55] <Darkside> even if its a pi 3
[12:55] <daveake> fsphil that's not far off what I run lora 868 at
[12:55] <fsphil> daveake: what sort of rates can you get at 434mhz?
[12:55] <daveake> equiv to 1400 baud iirc
[12:55] <fsphil> Darkside: my test code is doing the ldpc coding in python. it's ... slow :)
[12:56] <Darkside> fsphil: use the external library?
[12:56] <fsphil> I will do
[12:56] <Darkside> its all there ready to go
[12:56] <fsphil> thought I'd start with a pure python version
[12:56] <Darkside> yeah i did that too
[12:56] <fsphil> daveake: ooh, this is much faster. though I can't speak for the range yet
[12:56] <Darkside> then realised the error of my ways
[12:57] <Darkside> maybe if it was done in cython
[12:57] <daveake> Well fsphil you fly it mainland can try too track it :)
[12:57] <fsphil> tbh I think I'll rewrite the rfm code in C too
[12:57] <daveake> to
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[12:57] <Darkside> fsphil: it would be nice if you made some kidn of drop-in replacement for the PacketTX class
[12:57] <Darkside> as then i dont need to re-write everythign else
[12:57] <fsphil> shouldn't be too hard
[12:58] <fsphil> it's not a million miles away from your code. there's a function to setup, then another for dropping in packets
[12:58] <Darkside> also need a way of checking how much is in the queue
[12:59] <fsphil> daveake: it'll definitly be on my next flight, with an rtty 300 baud backup
[12:59] <Darkside> the rest can be one abstraction layer above
[12:59] <fsphil> I might have it transmit the same image on both, just higher resolution on the wenet
[12:59] <Darkside> oh christ i wouldnt rely on the wenet payload for positioning
[12:59] <fsphil> oh I won't :)
[13:00] <Darkside> while we do send down gps data, i dont currently include it in my tracking systems
[13:00] <Darkside> that said, when we have good signal, it probably wouldnt be too hard to use it
[13:00] <Darkside> i was considering making ozimux have an 'auto-select' option, where it picks the telemetry source that has the highest average data rate
[13:00] <Darkside> in which case wenet would probably be automatically selected all the time, even with packet loss
[13:01] <Darkside> fsphil: also note that there's actually two queues in PacketTX, one for imagery, and one for telemetry (which is given a higher priority)
[13:01] <fsphil> yeah, small and big one
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[13:02] <Darkside> telemetry data is always sent first
[13:02] <Darkside> so im not waiting 30 seconds to know something has failed
[13:07] <vaizki> such a gadgethappy car in the video
[13:07] <vaizki> some kind of RV?
[13:12] <craag> what was used to feed pstrotator ooi?
[13:14] <Darkside> craag: the RotatorGUI util, part of horus_utils
[13:14] <Darkside> it can talk to either pstrotator or rotctld
[13:14] <craag> ah ha :)
[13:14] <craag> really cool setup
[13:15] <Darkside> https://github.com/projecthorus/horus_utils/wiki#rotatorgui
[13:16] <g8fjg> PE2BZ Ben I can see your rtty ..it goes sideways about 300 hz ;-)..
[13:24] <pb0ahx-> g8fjg, corect is drifting a lot
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[13:49] <PE2BZ> Oh oh.... single carrier = not good
[13:51] <g8fjg> just as I was getting used to the chase up the band
[13:51] <PE2BZ> sorry :-)
[13:52] <g8fjg> np ... going to get warm ...
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[13:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STRATO_OL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STRATO_OL
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[16:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL2IK after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL2IK
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[19:23] <Laurenceb> the log search seems to have broken
[19:24] <Laurenceb> dont know who is responsible for that these days sorry....
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