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[01:20] <Matt|home> alright im a little confused.. so 'specific impulse' in rockets is basically used to determine how efficiently fuel is burned?
[01:21] <Matt|home> the equation from my understanding is: thrust/rate of fuel consumption , but why is thrust factored in at all? wouldn't it just be rate of fuel consumption? or do different fuels produce different amounts of thrust
[01:22] <Matt|home> ah.. different fuels certainly do produce different amounts of thrust.. and different burn rates.. etc..
[01:23] <ulfr^> Yes
[01:23] <ulfr^> solid vs liquid
[01:23] <ulfr^> for example
[01:23] <ulfr^> different engine types
[01:25] <Matt|home> so , if thrust is high and rate of burn is high
[01:25] <Matt|home> what's the ideal impulse you're looking at
[01:25] <Matt|home> like 1/1 ?
[01:28] <ulfr^> not quite that simple
[01:30] <Matt|home> ?
[01:33] <ulfr^> it's just a ratio between fuel out and delta V
[01:33] <ulfr^> sure 1:1 would be ideal but that's never going to happen in the real world
[02:05] <Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/hyperloop/comments/7ubz8g/furry_hyperloop_tube/
[02:05] <Laurenceb_> url presented without comment
[02:07] <nigle> The author clearly doesn't understand the hyperloop concept.
[02:08] <Laurenceb_> >tfw billions of cats have to be killed to build hyperloop
[02:12] <Laurenceb_> I keep saying I'll write up my hyperloop design
[02:12] <Laurenceb_> maybe I will...
[02:21] <ulfr^> wel
[02:21] <ulfr^> I can't blame him, everything is improved with cats.
[02:22] <Laurenceb_> my hyperloop redesign: electric "carts" running in concrete sewer pipe
[02:23] <Laurenceb_> then interconnects between the two pipes to allow the residual air to flow around
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[03:17] <Ian_> Banning of fat bergs :)
[03:29] <ulfr^> hm?
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[06:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03icarusIV after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=icarusIV
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[06:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[06:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LU1ESY-3 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU1ESY-3
[06:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
[07:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUSLORA2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA2
[07:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUSLORA1 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA1
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[09:13] <_Jordan> GM guys. LoRa telemetry today!
[09:13] <_Jordan> 434.550
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[09:24] <gonzo_> you will need to post the params for the lora too
[09:35] <Darkside> gonzo_: what, you can't read his mind like i can?
[09:39] <fsphil> import telepathy
[09:39] <gonzo_> is that a #include ?
[09:40] <daveake> Nah fsphil is down with the Python kids
[09:41] <gonzo_> possibly c#
[09:46] <fsphil> that'd need the semicolon
[09:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SH06 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SH06
[09:51] <gonzo_> would that be a colon called eric
[09:52] <Darkside> eric the half-a-colon ?
[09:53] <gonzo_> only if you have a licence
[09:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JORIS-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JORIS-1
[09:54] <gonzo_> from the Ministry of Housinj
[09:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ABERD after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ABERD
[10:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITSLORA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITSLORA
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[10:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03THORUS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=THORUS
[10:34] <fsphil> oh dear
[10:34] <Darkside> :D
[10:34] <Darkside> the perfect callsign
[10:34] <fsphil> nah, LOKI has it beat :)
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[11:00] <_Jordan_> hi guys, balloon is up
[11:00] <_Jordan_> lora 434.550
[11:01] <PE1ANS> Mode ??
[11:01] <_Jordan_> 0 (normal for telemetry)
[11:02] <PE1ANS> Jordan Tnx
[11:02] <_Jordan_> tnx?
[11:03] <daveake> _Jordan_: You're not receiving/uploading yourself ?
[11:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0303476412_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=03476412_chase
[11:04] <_Jordan_> etho might have cut out, lemme check
[11:06] <_Jordan_> restarting the gateway...
[11:08] <_Jordan_> gateway died. mightve accidently pressed q on the console without realising. back up and running now
[11:10] <daveake> Well that wouldn't kill etho
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[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4443040 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4443040
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[11:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4413080 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4413080
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[11:40] <mfa298> is q on the gateway supposed to just quit the gateway console or is it supposed to do more (I found my Pi stopped responding yesterday if I pressed q)
[11:41] <mfa298> luckily it was powered with PoE so I could just tell the switch to power cycle it
[11:43] <daveake> q just quits the program, that's all
[11:44] <daveake> Normally it'll quit immediately, but Rob's queue code may sit there for a while trying to upload sentences that haven't uploaded yet
[11:44] <daveake> I get that if I have an 868 tracker blasting telemetry at it
[11:44] <mfa298> that's not what happened for me, the whole pi stopped responding (i.e. the other ssh session stopped as did pings to the pi)
[11:45] <daveake> pass
[11:46] <mfa298> maybe I'll stick a screen on it at some point and/or gdb and/or read the source.
[11:46] <mfa298> that was on an early Pi1 (512Mb version)
[11:46] <daveake> Never seen anything like that. All it does really is close ncurses and SPI
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[12:05] <john2e0zbe> Can anyone help for SITSLoRa freq please Thank you
[12:07] <john2e0zbe> is it 434.550?
[12:07] <vaizki> _Jordan_ said 434.550 and mode 0
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[12:08] <john2e0zbe> Thank you
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[12:19] <k6sts> help
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[12:31] <fsphil> "I need somebody..."
[12:31] <PE2BZ> help
[12:32] <daveake> Not just anybody
[12:32] <PE2BZ> :-)
[12:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4413096 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4413096
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[12:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4433096 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4433096
[13:04] <_Jordan_> thanks for listening today guys
[13:04] <_Jordan_> succesful lora telemetry flight
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[13:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4436233 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4436233
[13:37] <PE2BZ> _Jordan got 4 packets, thanks for the flight, however for next flights please also choose frequencies rounded to 434.5625 of 434.5875 because of the lot of signals over here rounded to 25 kHz, your LoRa signal was arguing with a local crane control transmitter over here at 434.550 NHz
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[13:39] <gonzo_> _Jordan_, you would get far more response from UK listerners, if you filed flight docs and announced the flight/payload on the forum
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[14:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PE2BZ after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PE2BZ
[14:15] <_Jordan_> PE2BZ: i will make sure to make that change next time
[14:18] <PE2BZ> Thanks _Jordan ! And the flightdocs and announcement would be a great idea also as gonzo_ mentioned. It´s all ment in a positive way !
[14:20] <_Jordan_> Oh yeah sorry gonzo_ didn't see your message there. i'll try to remember that too
[14:20] <PE1ANS> PE2BZ zal je voortaan wel een appje sturen.. hihi
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[15:01] <g8fjg> ABERD 434.650 50/430
[15:11] <PE1ANS> g8fjg ...Tnx Ron
[15:12] <g8fjg> it has a fair bit of chirp T5?
[15:13] <g8fjg> afk
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[16:53] <Ian_> Excellent write up daveake
[17:01] <aadamson> somewhere this is a site that can access the habhub tracker database such that I could download the data for my balloon(s), would anyone have that handy?
[17:02] <craag> http://habitat.habhub.org/
[17:02] <aadamson> craag, I think the problem is going to be, it's all via the aprs importer?
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[17:03] <craag> if the aprs importer goes straight into the pg db then you'll have to talk to lz1dev
[17:04] <aadamson> it's an external site and I can't for the life of me remember who's... one of the original guys here maintained it.
[17:05] <aadamson> dang it can't remember
[17:05] <aadamson> one of the Phils maybe?
[17:06] <aadamson> haha... and you are one of those maybe :)...
[17:07] <craag> heh you're thinking of fsphil
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[17:08] <aadamson> no not that one... maybe it was your mapping thing on your site, was just looking at that
[17:08] <aadamson> but it's not there any more... hmm
[17:08] <aadamson> I swear I remember one... but perhaps not
[17:09] <aadamson> oh well, after 500 days aloft I figured maybe I'd see if I could capture all the data :)
[17:09] <fsphil> there are many phils
[17:09] <fsphil> and they have a plan
[17:10] <aadamson> haha... *watch our for the PHILS* a new movie brought to you by AMTV... lol
[17:10] <aadamson> ok 505 days to be specific ... haha
[17:11] <craag> ah I did have an alternative map page, unfortunately it got broken by tracker.habhub api changes
[17:12] <craag> didn't do data export though
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[17:17] <mattbrejza> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/ ?
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[17:31] <aadamson> Thanks mattbrejza that was it, but it also is based upon habhub flight stuff... oh well, no worries, thanks again
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[18:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0303476412_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=03476412_chase
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[19:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LU1ESY-3 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU1ESY-3
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[20:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03U4FYG_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U4FYG_chase
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[21:25] <MikeUoN> :]
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[22:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BUZZ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BUZZ
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[22:58] <trickv> I know it's late - but any sleepless admins around want to look at a flight doc for me? doc id is d6235f68e9ab6f27f976768fbd3bdadf
[23:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SAM - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SAM
[23:01] <trickv> o_O it's alive!
[23:03] <daveake> :)
[23:03] <daveake> BUZZ (above) is my backup for your flight
[23:03] <daveake> You need to post the flight ID in #habhub rather than here
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[23:11] <trickv> thanks daveake :) I saw buzz on the map and just saw your email :)
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[23:11] <trickv> I suppose I need to create a new flight doc with buzz in it
[23:11] <daveake> up to you
[23:12] <daveake> Main thing is that people know the flight is happening
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[23:12] <daveake> As it's a Lora tracker rather than rtty, having it in the flight doc wouldn't help people tune in anyway
[23:13] <daveake> If you want to extract the data after, then having a single flight doc for both payloads will help
[23:13] <trickv> might as well add it
[23:14] <trickv> this doc? BUZZ id f46f4cfd51dd7473428b515a7f537771 created 2017-02-09 ?
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[23:16] <daveake> Yes that one
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4443087 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4443087
[23:18] <trickv> cool, even easier than I thought it'd be
[23:24] <daveake> do you have everything you need for Sunday ?
[23:30] <trickv> Only thing I haven't picked up yet is an inflator hose, was going to stop at Homebase today but got caught up in an outage at work.
[23:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4413074 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4413074
[23:30] <daveake> You'll need to build a filler with that and some waste pipe
[23:30] <daveake> Or just borrow mine
[23:31] <daveake> You have the valve/regulator for the gas cylinder ?
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[23:37] <trickv> TBH this is an area where I'm not much sure what I need, I've had it in my head that it's quite simple...
[23:37] <trickv> Shove a hose on the end of the valve on the culinder and the other end in the balloon, tape it on, and open the valve on the cylinder?
[23:37] <trickv> Or is there more to it?
[23:38] <trickv> This is what my cylinder looks like; the brass "inflator" they gave me comes off: https://photos.app.goo.gl/IJeOiwDxJtrIoKxM2
[23:45] <daveake> OK, I'm pretty sure I'veYeah the balloon neck is much larger than the hose so wrapping the neck directly onto the hose isn't going to work too well. This is what most people do - https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:fill_tube
[23:45] <daveake> Anyway don't worry, I can sort you out
[23:46] <trickv> Oh cool, I haven't run across that page yet! thanks :)
[23:46] <daveake> I have one of those valves so I can get the inflator assembled before Sunday
[23:46] <daveake> Might even have one ready to go
[23:49] <trickv> Ok cool, thanks!
[23:49] <trickv> That answers one of my questions which is how to tie the weight on
[23:49] <trickv> I was just going to wing it :)
[23:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1950246 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1950246
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