highaltitude.log.20180204

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[00:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4t33190 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4t33190
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[01:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Vk5arg_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Vk5arg_chase
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[03:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3S21 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3S21
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[08:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03grdona_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=grdona_chase
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[09:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
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[10:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BALTS1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALTS1
[10:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03yl3caah_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=yl3caah_chase
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[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4523820 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4523820
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M2353003 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M2353003
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[11:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1950266 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1950266
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[12:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CHANGEME after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGEME
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[12:39] <PE2BZ> Is Zeusbot mad at me ? Unauthorized access to internal API. Please refer to https://support.google.com/customsearch/answer/4542055
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[12:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AP car_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AP%20car_chase
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[13:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG_chase
[13:24] <PE2BZ> I canĀ“t get my LoRa tracker (PiZero) on the map. NFO habitat.parser MainThread: All attempts to parse failed
[13:24] <PE2BZ> [2018-02-04 13:23:11,948] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: CantExtractCallsign exception in simple_binary: CantExtractCallsign
[13:24] <PE2BZ> [2018-02-04 13:23:11,947] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Exception in UKHAS main parse: ValueError: Incorrect number of fields (got 9, expect 5)
[13:24] <PE2BZ> [2018-02-04 13:23:11,945] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Selected payload_configuration 28b76eda20af6668c582b89e48bf6990 for 'PI0BZ'
[13:24] <PE2BZ> [2018-02-04 13:23:11,810] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] '$$PI0BZ,17,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0,0,0,35.8*9E0F\n
[13:25] <PE2BZ> My callsign is set to PI0BZ in the pisky.txt for the lora payload and also for the (not existing) rtty part
[13:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SH06 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SH06
[13:30] <daveake> "Incorrect number of fields (got 9, expect 5)"
[13:30] <daveake> Fix that
[13:32] <daveake> http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=getting-on-the-map
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[14:39] <PE2BZ> daveake thanks. I was looking for a callsign length problem but I should not have deleted the other fields from the parser configuration while still tranmitting them.
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[14:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI0BZ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI0BZ
[15:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
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[15:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DELTA-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DELTA-3
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[21:04] <he_> somebody here ?
[21:05] <he_> i have one question about dl-fldigi
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[21:07] <daveake> Just ask
[21:07] <he_> thx
[21:07] <he_> i wont use server becouse i have own radio reciver
[21:08] <he_> and i want you dl-fldigi to send informations only to my google maps
[21:08] <he_> use
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[21:09] <he_> is any version or option in dl-fldigi to do this ?
[21:09] <daveake> dl-fldigi doesn't interface with Google maps
[21:10] <daveake> It sends data to habhub
[21:10] <mfa298> dl-fldigi mostly requires the use of your own radio receiver it's what decodes the audio into text and then uploads it.
[21:11] <he_> thx
[21:11] <mfa298> as daveake just said, and replicating all the stuff on habhub is going to be difficult (if not impossible) plenty of that isn't documented.
[21:11] <he_> i understand
[21:12] <he_> so i must find or order to programist
[21:12] <he_> additional program which take encoded data from dl-fldig
[21:12] <mfa298> you could manually take co-ordinates out from dl-fldigi and manually plot them, but that's going to be slow and tedious (so using the existing infrastructure would be the sensible option)
[21:12] <he_> and send to map program
[21:12] <Darkside> hrm
[21:12] <he_> thank you for help
[21:12] <mfa298> why would you want to do your own thing? replicating all that habhub does will be a lot of work
[21:12] <he_> but
[21:13] <he_> becouse
[21:13] <he_> i have own antenna
[21:13] <he_> and radio reicyvier
[21:13] <he_> i want do it without internet
[21:13] <he_> just send encoded data from dl-fldigi direct to program with maps
[21:14] <he_> or google maps
[21:14] <mfa298> google maps would probably imply needing internet
[21:14] <daveake> Building an offline mapping system is not a small task
[21:14] <he_> you can have part of map in offline mode on pc
[21:15] <he_> i really respect your program
[21:15] <he_> but my problem is good idea of new function
[21:15] <he_> for
[21:16] <he_> i dont say it will be easy to programed that function
[21:16] <daveake> It's all possible and if you have the time as skill then go ahead. But it's easier just to do it online.
[21:17] <he_> i know man
[21:17] <he_> your server is extra thing,also for new people
[21:17] <he_> but as i said i wont make independent version with own hardware
[21:17] <he_> and without internet
[21:17] <Darkside> funnily enough i have done all of this.
[21:17] <Darkside> https://github.com/projecthorus/oziplotter
[21:17] <Darkside> but i can't offer support for this.
[21:17] <Darkside> and it'w windows only.
[21:17] <he_> wow
[21:17] <mfa298> most people will just use dl-fldigi and aim to be online, you can then also get others involved in trying to track (HAMs can often get interested in tracking)
[21:17] <he_> you shocked me
[21:18] <mfa298> that way you get the benefit of work already done most of the time (whilst you have internet) and if you lose internet you can always stick the co-ordinates into a gps to know where to head.
[21:19] <daveake> This is a big point that mfa298 made - generally you WANT to do it online so others can help you
[21:19] <Darkside> +1 to that
[21:19] <daveake> Unless you want to do it secretly
[21:19] <Darkside> one of the functions in the software i wrote is the ability to pull data in from the online tracker
[21:19] <Darkside> so if my receiving systems break, i have backup options
[21:19] <he_> listen guys
[21:19] <daveake> Ok which case using RTTY is probably a bad idea anyway
[21:20] <Darkside> and we *always* put our tracking data into the online tracker, for others to help track and follow whats going on
[21:20] <mfa298> doing your own thing mean you're totally on your own, so if you lose the signal for some reason as it's coming down it like finding a very small needle in an enormous haystack
[21:20] <he_> as i said idea of online is very fine
[21:20] <he_> but i have idea to be independent
[21:20] <he_> without internet
[21:20] <Darkside> he_: that doesnt stop other people receiving and uploading
[21:20] <he_> total own antenna and reicver
[21:20] <daveake> Well all you need is the position and an offline map
[21:20] <Darkside> there's this thing called redudancy which you should think about
[21:20] <Darkside> redundancy*
[21:20] <Darkside> if something breaks in your chase car, what do you do?
[21:21] <daveake> Yup
[21:21] <Darkside> if there are other people receiving, you have the *option* of using that data
[21:21] <daveake> And everything breaks eventually
[21:22] <Darkside> he_: where are you located?
[21:22] <he_> you have right if hardware will be destroyed
[21:22] <he_> poland
[21:22] <mfa298> he_: one thing to note, Darkside has been doing this for years and has launched lots of balloons, so his offline solution has probably been developed over a good portion of that time (I'm not sure how long it's been developed for)
[21:23] <Darkside> mfa298: since 2009
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[21:23] <daveake> There are many other listeners in Poland
[21:23] <he_> listen
[21:23] <he_> no secrets
[21:23] <he_> idea is to be independent of internet
[21:23] <he_> and have own hardware
[21:23] <Darkside> doesnt matter.
[21:23] <Darkside> you are flying something with a radio signal
[21:23] <Darkside> someone will see it and receive it
[21:23] <he_> they can !!!
[21:23] <Darkside> and upload it
[21:24] <daveake> Yes. All you need for that is an offline map, and the position of the flight
[21:24] <he_> i wont use internet
[21:24] <he_> only hardware
[21:24] <Darkside> hell, even my software needs to use internet at *some* point
[21:24] <he_> daveeake i understand
[21:24] <Darkside> as i need to download wind model data for the predictions tow ork
[21:24] <he_> daveeake but problem is to write coordignates for every 30s
[21:25] <he_> to map
[21:25] <daveake> You only need the last one
[21:25] <he_> you speaking about landing
[21:25] <he_> and yes
[21:25] <mfa298> he_: if you use the standard setup that can work with the current system and you don't have internet you will still be able to read the location data from dl-fligi (that part doesn't need internet). You can stick that data into an offline map/gps and cope withou internet. But whilst you have internet you get the benefit of the online tracking (with things like predicted landing spot, and others able to help fill in data you don't get)
[21:25] <he_> i want to have on screen flying of balon,with no internet
[21:26] <daveake> During the flight you need the landing prediction. That's online, unless you replicate that too.
[21:26] <daveake> Short version of what we're saying - do it online, but have an offline map as a backup.
[21:29] <he_> yes
[21:29] <he_> understand
[21:29] <he_> but
[21:30] <he_> problem is to write coordignatos for every 30 s to offline map
[21:30] <he_> and maybe somebody make that program or option
[21:30] <he_> i speaking about real time possition on offline map
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[21:32] <daveake> I know you are. And we're saying that if you try to be online, you can use the online map which will be fed by other listeners not just you (and they will generally do a better job of it), and you can use the online landing predictor, and in the event that you don't have internet after it lands you can use the last position and an offline map.
[21:32] <daveake> This is what pretty much everyone does.
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[21:32] <Darkside> (except me)
[21:32] <Darkside> >_>
[21:32] <Darkside> (though we do constantly check everything against the online systems)
[21:33] <daveake> Except him because his balloons land 100km from the nearest civilisation :)
[21:33] <Darkside> because i sure as heck don't trust my own software
[21:33] <Darkside> found some bugs on the launch yesterday which i havent fixed yet
[21:35] <he_> all clear
[21:36] <he_> i am curious about one thing
[21:36] <he_> dont you have own antenna and radio reciver ?
[21:36] <he_> only online ?
[21:36] <daveake> always
[21:36] <he_> receiver
[21:36] <Darkside> my car usually has 3 separate receive systems
[21:36] <daveake> You have to - it's very unlikely that someone else will get the landing position
[21:37] <daveake> Happened to me 3 times in 74 launches that I didn't need to get the landing position myself because someone else did
[21:37] <daveake> and like Darkside I'll have multiple receivers in case one fails in some way
[21:37] <daveake> Like Windows updates :/
[21:38] <daveake> So generally I'll have a couple of Pi receivers, a radio --> PC, and a scanner + tablet
[21:39] <daveake> You need your own receiver/aerial at 2 times in particular - at the launch site so you know the tracker is working, and in the chase car before and after landing
[21:39] <he_> yes
[21:39] <daveake> Sometimes, even knowing the landing position isn't enough - someone picks it up !
[21:39] <daveake> I've had 3 of those
[21:40] <he_> i dont understand one thing
[21:40] <he_> how many persons will received landing possition ?
[21:40] <he_> only i or all receivers ?
[21:40] <daveake> Not all - the Earth is spherical and gets in the way of the signal
[21:40] <mfa298> only people who are relatively local will get the landing position
[21:41] <daveake> Generally, once it's landed the signal only travels about a mile (can be more if it's in a tree or on a hill)
[21:41] <mfa298> if it's on the ground in a valley, local might mean a mile or less. If it's in a tree on a hill local might be 20+miles
[21:41] <daveake> So generally only the chase car is close enough
[21:41] <he_> yes
[21:42] <he_> do the coordignates are send to online server
[21:42] <he_> and on people will see ?
[21:42] <daveake> Yes
[21:42] <he_> to be sure
[21:43] <mfa298> I think I got one of the lowest packets from one of daveake's recent balloons when it was 100-200m above ground from 20-30 miles. Had daveake had issues getting close that might have been enoguh to guide him to a point where he could have got a better position (but he was already close enough for that one)
[21:43] <he_> coordignates are send to online map and also are send by radio to radio receivers ?
[21:43] <daveake> No
[21:43] <daveake> Tracker (at balloon) sends out its GPS position
[21:43] <mfa298> the co-ordinates get to the map from people with radio receivers who upload the data.
[21:44] <daveake> Radio receivers + dl-fldigi receive that position and display it
[21:44] <daveake> dl-fldigi also sends it to the server which puts the balloon on a map
[21:44] <he_> all clear
[21:44] <daveake> So even if only 1 receiver gets a position, the map still updates
[21:45] <mfa298> gps -> payload -> antenna -> radio -> dl-fldigi -> internet -> map (habhub)
[21:45] <daveake> This is why it's much better than offline
[21:45] <mfa298> and you can have lots of people with the antenna -> radio -> internet part.
[21:46] <he_> yea
[21:46] <mfa298> and if you don't have internet you can still read co-ordinates off the screen in dl-fldigi and put into your car gps
[21:46] <he_> yes we talked about it
[21:47] <he_> just need program which will send by 30 s cordignates to offline map
[21:47] <daveake> and if you get really stuck, phone a friend who is online
[21:47] <he_> also good idea
[21:48] <he_> last problem is when battery of notebook will turn off
[21:49] <he_> but i can call to firend as you said
[21:49] <he_> i like to be ready for all sitution
[21:49] <he_> btw
[21:49] <he_> hab ballons arent popular in central europe
[21:49] <he_> so paradox is
[21:50] <daveake> Well, last time someone sent a balloon from UK over Poland, there were lots of receivers
[21:50] <he_> you online map is rescue !!!
[21:51] <he_> with last possition in memory
[21:51] <he_> no man
[21:51] <he_> i talked about hab ballons
[21:51] <he_> radio receivers offcourse are many
[21:51] <mfa298> Poland is probably the 2nd or 3rd main place in Europe for balloons, the map might not show much at the moment but if you annouce the flight with enough warning there's quite a few people who'll lit
[21:51] <mfa298> listen in
[21:52] <he_> i believe
[21:52] Action: cm13g09 waves at mfa298
[21:52] <he_> my mistake is i didnt check in summer
[21:52] <mfa298> there's at least two people who regularly launch balloons in Poland
[21:52] <he_> becouse i dont use internet at my summer house :)
[21:52] Action: mfa298 waves back at cm13g09
[21:52] <he_> yes they are :)
[21:53] <he_> i said this passion is unique here
[21:53] <he_> i saw in usa are hundreds of balloon people
[21:53] <he_> here only xx
[21:53] <he_> and closer to 10 then 100 haha
[21:54] <he_> but i fact is one if you are interested
[21:54] <he_> that if somebody start to do it
[21:54] <he_> we buy bigger ballons
[21:54] <he_> and add more stuff
[21:57] <he_> it's not braging
[21:57] <he_> just poles like full options
[21:57] <he_> thank you for help
[21:57] <he_> for all
[22:00] <he_> i will check oziplotter
[22:00] <mfa298> don't forget the USA is a huge country, so whilst there mgiht be more balloon people they're potentially the only one for a wider area than the baloon people in Europe.
[22:00] <he_> but your adives were imporent
[22:00] <he_> important
[22:01] <he_> yea
[22:01] <he_> maybe hellium they have cheaper also
[22:01] <he_> possible you buy hellium from poland
[22:02] <he_> haha
[22:02] <he_> becouse as i know only poland made it in eu
[22:02] <daveake> Pretty sure it was made in a star :)
[22:04] <he_> that oziplotter is that what i searching
[22:04] <he_> thank you
[22:05] Action: mfa298 suspects oziplotter may not help much unless you plan on landing it in Australia.
[22:05] <he_> haha
[22:06] <he_> i was really close....
[22:06] <he_> what is reason of this ?
[22:06] <he_> does program have only austrialia map ?
[22:07] <he_> has
[22:08] <he_> yes,know i saw austrlia,but if is program,maybe author change something
[22:10] <he_> i now reading so dont have fun
[22:13] <he_> no ascend view
[22:14] <he_> in payload summary
[22:14] <he_> sorry
[22:14] <he_> it is
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[22:37] <he_> now i know everything
[22:38] <he_> last thing i must made map of my region to australian standart file
[22:38] <he_> or just to type of maps to ozzi ploter
[22:38] <he_> and i will have all
[22:38] <he_> thanks for help
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[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4436239 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4436239
[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4523242 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4523242
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[23:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M1423054 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M1423054
[23:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
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