highaltitude.log.20180129

[00:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M1423048 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M1423048
[00:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4433403 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4433403
[00:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1730476 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1730476
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[01:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4473403 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4473403
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[01:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03L4433403 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=L4433403
[01:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[04:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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[06:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03icarusIV after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=icarusIV
[06:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
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[07:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4810979 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4810979
[08:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3S21 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3S21
[08:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1730284 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1730284
[08:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Tadeas_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Tadeas_chase
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[09:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HTGSM1 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HTGSM1
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[09:51] <_Jordan> GM chaps!
[09:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LU1ESY-3 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU1ESY-3
[09:53] <_Jordan> Good result for us on friday. It was nice to see LoRa pinging back n forth all flight long!
[09:53] <daveake> What happened to the rtty? Didn't see much from that during descent.
[09:54] <_Jordan> The ground plane actually ditatched.
[09:54] <_Jordan> No damage to the coax extender that it was attatched to so must've been a loose thread.
[09:55] <daveake> Lesson there then! Maybe it shorted the aerial in doing so, as loss of a ground plane shouldnb't be enough to lose the signal
[09:55] <daveake> Did you check about the notam? It never showed on notaminfo
[09:56] <_Jordan> daveake: NOTAM's arn't my department. I escalated the issue toward them though
[09:56] <daveake> Well, tbh, they are. You launched your problem if things go pear shaped.
[09:57] <daveake> I'm asusming you did the launch
[09:57] <_Jordan> I don't apply for or maintain the notaminfo. happens somewhere else within the structure.
[09:57] <_Jordan> I was on the launch site yes
[09:58] <daveake> You do need to make sure the notam has been issued. The master source for that is the AIS web site. I use notaminfo (it's easier and quicker to use), but if it's not there I check AIS. No notam on AIS no launch.
[09:59] <_Jordan> I have already passed on this message to the crew. Nothing much more I can do. I will take the additional info youve provided though
[09:59] <_Jordan> please understand that this isnt my field. And is out of my hands.
[09:59] <daveake> All it takes is an investigation (e,g, pilot sees balloon, or it lands somewhere bad) and the CAA will want answers
[10:00] <_Jordan> Understood.
[10:00] <daveake> I've helped a few other people with launches. I ALWAYS check their notams, regardless of whose job it is to get the notam
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[10:02] <_Jordan> I'll be more careful next time.
[10:02] <daveake> Great
[10:02] <_Jordan> maybe try to build a better link with my flight planning crew.
[10:02] <daveake> And if there's no notam, stop the launch.
[10:03] <daveake> Also worth checking the exact hours - sometimes things overrun of course, and you don't want to be launching with an expired notam
[10:03] <_Jordan> Another good point.
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[10:04] <daveake> btw know anything about this ? https://www.facebook.com/SentIntoSpace/videos/1988155674656262/
[10:05] <_Jordan> daveake: Iv'e seen that video before yes.
[10:06] <_Jordan> I don't know much about it.
[10:06] <Darkside> hrm
[10:06] <Darkside> analog video downlink
[10:06] <daveake> It's something else you might want to ask about then
[10:06] <Darkside> i wonder what radio regs they wer ebreaking to do that one
[10:06] <_Jordan> How come?
[10:07] <daveake> Well #1 would be, is that over UK ?
[10:07] <daveake> #2, what frequency and power transmission
[10:07] <_Jordan> That was over UK i think.
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> LASER!
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> (probably not)
[10:07] <daveake> 'cos over UK + enough power to do that = probably illegal
[10:07] <_Jordan> Pretty sure it was conducted in a RAF base.
[10:07] <Darkside> daveake: its technically feasible
[10:07] <daveake> Meh
[10:07] <Darkside> daveake: but difficult
[10:08] <daveake> Well, large aimed dish, yes
[10:08] <Darkside> you'd be talking ISM power level video transmitter, and a massive dish on the ground
[10:08] <Darkside> yes
[10:08] <_Jordan> I dunno guys honestly.
[10:08] <Darkside> i had someone in adelaide ask me about the sentintospace kits
[10:08] <_Jordan> I'm just a software engineer.
[10:08] <daveake> _Jordan: If that was standard FPV kit used for drones etc., it's not legal to use
[10:08] <Darkside> warned them off it
[10:09] <daveake> ~_Jordan Sure, but you're also here and your other guys aren't, so I can ask you to pass this stuff on :)
[10:09] <Darkside> selling GSM trackers to a country that doesnt have a GSM network anymore without any warning about it
[10:10] <daveake> _Jordan: As if it's not obvious, I'm a tad concerned that a company doing a lot of HAB launches doesn't seem to concern itself too much with regulations
[10:10] <daveake> So I'm passing opn some useful info
[10:11] <daveake> IR2030 (the one we've discussed before re bandwidths etc) covers the FPV transmissions too. 10mW max for 2.4GHz and 25mW for 5.8GHz
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[10:13] <BARC> hey folks, _Jordan said there were concerns about the analog livestream last year?
[10:14] <Darkside> we're interested to know what you use to do it
[10:14] <Darkside> TX hardware and RX hardware
[10:14] <BARC> Just to clear things up, we were using an FPV transmission system
[10:14] <daveake> Yeah. These FPV things are often way over legal power limits. Some I understand can be set low enough, but not all. In practice, for that to work, either you have a huge dish on the ground aimed at the transmitter (which perhaps you did), or the power level was high
[10:14] <BARC> the launch was conducted in collaboration with the RAF as part of their educational program
[10:15] <daveake> And?
[10:15] <daveake> Do they have an exemption for the power ?
[10:15] <BARC> they applied for special clearances to use that specific equipment at that power level
[10:15] <daveake> cool
[10:15] <BARC> the exact details of which I don't know specifically
[10:15] <daveake> Lots of FPV fliers use these things illegally
[10:15] <BARC> but I know our contact there had a whole load of hoops to jump through before he could clear it with his superiors
[10:16] <daveake> At least with those, they're not flying high so don't tx over the entire country
[10:16] <BARC> we had to get sign-off in triplicate just to sneeze while on their base
[10:16] <daveake> I imagine
[10:17] <BARC> we're well aware that under normal circumstances the use of that equipment would be illegal and we've had to warn people off using them ourselves
[10:17] <daveake> IR2030 has max allowed power levels. Ham radio doesn't help as that can't be used airborne, without an NOV which won't be given. As for the military on ISM I don't know.
[10:18] <daveake> I assume the military weren't concerned about broadcasting video from just above their airbase :/
[10:18] <BARC> we actually launched from outside their airbase on a day when the flight ppath was taking it away from the site
[10:19] <BARC> If you've watched the video, you can probably agree it's not the ideal image quality for discerning military secrets
[10:20] <Darkside> BARC: you might also want to note on your website that your GSM trackers wont work in all countries. here in Australia we dont have GSM networks any more
[10:20] <Darkside> i had a teacher at a school here nearly buy one of those trackers, luckily i warned them off in time
[10:20] <Darkside> as it woudl have been useless
[10:20] <daveake> If they are 2G only, that's being switched off in some places too.
[10:20] <Darkside> thats the point
[10:21] <Darkside> http://www.spytecinc.com/gl-200-real-time-gps-tracker.html
[10:21] <Darkside> only does GSM, and all of our GSM networks have been turned off
[10:21] <Darkside> but then again if you're using a 2g/3g tracker in australia you're mad anyway
[10:22] <_Jordan> mad or just oblivious to the fact that it won't work?
[10:22] <day> its interesting that they shut down GSM. some countries keep GSM alive but kill of the deprecated newer standards
[10:22] <day> at least i've read that somewhere
[10:22] <Darkside> around here GSM has been switched off to make way for 4G
[10:23] <day> 4G is nice, but afaik the range is bad
[10:23] <Darkside> hah
[10:23] <Darkside> clearly you've never experienced 750 MHz LTE then
[10:23] <Darkside> coverage is incredible
[10:23] <BARC> that's useful to note, thanks!
[10:24] <BARC> I'll update the listing immediately
[10:24] <day> so a LTE Node has more coverage than a GSM one?
[10:24] <Darkside> it does now, since all the GSM ones got turned off :P
[10:25] <Darkside> coverage all depends on the network design of course
[10:25] <Darkside> coverage will be what the telco designs for. but the 750 mhz LTE band is i think the lowest frequency LTE band commonly in use, and its range is excellent
[10:27] <day> its quite amazing that you can live stream on a highway these days
[10:27] <Darkside> for a country that has such a small average number of people per km, we do have remarkably good phone coverage: https://www.telstra.com.au/coverage-networks/our-coverage
[10:28] <fsphil> the UK still has 2G
[10:28] <fsphil> probably will for a while
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[10:34] <day> they are currently terminating analog phone lines here. Which i guess is a bit comparable. But even that is messy
[10:39] <_Jordan> On the bright side guys. only way we learn and improve is by making mistakes.
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[10:53] <day> the main issue for these system updates seems to be the B2B business. Noone cares about how modern the products are, because they dont buy them for themselves~
[10:54] <day> we are still selling products that were designed for analog phone connections :X
[10:55] <fsphil> we still have fax machines
[10:56] <Darkside> hah in my travel booking form there's a field for 'fax number'
[10:56] <fsphil> they're not used as often anymore but still enough that I can't get rid of them
[10:56] <Darkside> my works*
[10:56] <Darkside> i always fill in 'what's a fax machine?'
[10:57] <fsphil> or write in a shortwave frequency of a weather fax station
[10:57] <Darkside> haha
[10:57] <Darkside> that would be lost on the admin people
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03zeitz_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=zeitz_chase
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[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4523232 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4523232
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M2353398 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M2353398
[11:19] <Darkside> attack of the sondes
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4810989 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4810989
[12:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1730521 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1730521
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[13:28] <arjunnaha> Is there a standard procedure for applying for an exemption to the IR2030 power limit?
[13:35] <daveake> You want a licence to exempt you from limits of an licence-exempt band? :)
[13:37] <arjunnaha> Ha, I was just reading a bit more into it and from BARC was saying earlier, the school Im at has heavy military connections and I wondered if there was a certain license/exemption I needed to ask for
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[13:41] <pb0ahx> !flight
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[13:41] <pb0ahx> !flights
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: There are no flights currently :(
[13:44] <daveake> arjunnaha: It's probably more to do with using something that the military is already the primary user for. Take a look at http://static.ofcom.org.uk/static/spectrum/fat.html
[13:45] <daveake> ISM is a secondary user; so if the military splat over everyone's wifi connection we, as secondary users, have to accept that
[13:45] <daveake> AIU IANAL etc
[13:45] <russss> yeah
[13:47] <arjunnaha> Ah, cheers for that. So it would be more of a case of finding a frequency with suitable power/duty cycle/range, but most of these are licensed (?), so I would have to find a user willing to let me use that?
[13:47] <russss> if there was an easy way, someone here would already have done it
[13:50] <arjunnaha> I imagine!
[13:50] <russss> getting a license from the MoD is a new and innovative approach though, I approve
[13:50] <arjunnaha> ;)
[13:50] <arjunnaha> I have no idea whether that will be possible/will be able to find someone with that seniority
[13:51] <russss> sounds like it was hassle
[13:51] <arjunnaha> Would be pretty cool to try and Ill update if I get anything else
[13:51] <arjunnaha> But, LoRa over 868 sounds more legal and tested!
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[13:54] <mfa298> I'd guess for getting the MoD to apply for something like that you probably need someone suitably senior who really wants to see it happen. Although I wonder if CAA would still need a say (although migt be harder to refuse the MoD)
[13:54] <russss> if the MoD is the primary user then I would expect they can do whatever they like, unless there is some restriction on their use
[13:55] <mfa298> that didn't seem to apply for 2m when the RSGB were looking at such things.
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[13:56] <mfa298> but from the CAA PoV saying no to the RSGB is likely easy, saying no to the MoD is harder
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[13:58] <chrisbrit81> great day for HABing lol
[13:58] <chrisbrit81> they all seem to be heading for the sea
[13:59] <russss> yeah, although I think technically Ofcom is the "primary user" of the amateur bands from a legal perspective
[13:59] <russss> so it probably depends on how much patience they have
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[14:00] <russss> although I thought the main reason airborne operation wasn't allowed was primarily because it was so easy to transmit into other countries
[14:01] <gonzo_> there are very few allocations, liceneced or otjerwise, which permit airborne use
[14:02] <gonzo_> you could ask ofciom for a special reserach permit. Which is a special ham licence issued for specific things
[14:03] <arjunnaha> That sounds interesting, coming from a school, it sounds like a possibility compared to commercial use
[14:03] <gonzo_> issued for things like using high powqers, or frequencies which are not dircetly in the Ar spectrum (eg. the 71MHz allocation)
[14:03] <mfa298> i think the requests went through ofcom (as part of that license exercise), although I'd guess they probably didn't put much effort in. and as above saying No to a bunch of enthusiasts is easy for them and saves a lot of work. They might still be able to say no to the MoD but that might involve as much work as saying yes.
[14:03] <russss> I expect they would have less problem with the more directional frequency bands.
[14:03] <russss> but those are also much more difficult to use on a balloon, obviously
[14:04] <Ian_> Don't kid yourself, MoD frequency use is regulated. It's just that they have the words and music in place already, for. It's well beyond their purview although they could perhaps choose to lend support an application. It's not exactly MoD's main raison d'etre.
[14:04] <gonzo_> using lower powers would help an application I expect (higher than ir2030, but low compared with AR limits)
[14:04] <russss> Ian_: yeah I assume they have an entire department for it somewhere, probably with more staff than Ofcom has.
[14:05] <gonzo_> probably one poerson
[14:05] <chrisbrit81> We have what are called "battlespace managers"
[14:05] <gonzo_> ocom have one main man for AR stuff
[14:05] <mfa298> hmmm, thinking back, this was originally related to FPV stuff (so probably 5.something GHz) is the MoD space as well (the FAT PDF doesn't seem to cover primary/secondary users)
[14:05] <chrisbrit81> each unit has their own BSM and there's a central authority
[14:05] <gonzo_> ofcom
[14:05] <russss> hostname checks out (!)
[14:06] <chrisbrit81> 5.8GHz is used by FPVers and 5GHz is also used by some radar applications
[14:06] <gonzo_> you may e able to get a program making licence, which have allocations with airborne permissions. If you registered up as a film maker
[14:06] <Ian_> It took HQ Strike command, back in the day, two and a half years to come up with an excuse when I told a Support Command station to get off my network. It was a waste of time.
[14:06] <chrisbrit81> lol HQSTC, I remember when it was called that
[14:07] <gonzo_> the FPV 5GHz is limied in allocation and power. Most FPVers probably don't know this and just select what ythey think works best
[14:07] <chrisbrit81> back when we had bomber command
[14:07] <russss> I think that FPV 5GHz is down as "Land mobile" (?)
[14:08] <russss> there's also a big chunk of that 5GHz band which is on a non-interference basis to weather radar
[14:08] <gonzo_> I have a feeling that they should be limited to 100mW on 5gig?
[14:08] <arjunnaha> chrisbrit81: do you know if the MoD has any allocation on the 5GHz range?
[14:08] <gonzo_> and the 2.4gig is limited to 10mw airborne
[14:08] <Ian_> They figured out that if they sat on the complaint/issue, that 1. it would go away 2. I would go away 3. they would go away. None of that happened and after 2.5years and me still asking for a reply they fudged it - In a state of transition . . .
[14:08] <chrisbrit81> I would argue that most FPVers most certainly know that their limited EIRP is only 25mw, but they are also fully aware that it's difficult to detect the use of 5.8ghz at higher powers around 600mw any further than 1km away on the ground so use it anyway. They generally just stick close by themselves
[14:09] <gonzo_> 25mw? OK, I knew it was >10mw, but mymmem failed me
[14:09] <chrisbrit81> yes, 2.4G 10mw and 5.8G 25mw
[14:10] <gonzo_> ]but the fpv stuff is a good source of RA TV kit
[14:10] <gonzo_> AR
[14:10] <chrisbrit81> No idea what 5G allocation the MOD has sorry, I just have a rough awareness of how/who applies for them.
[14:10] <russss> http://www.onlineconversion.com/downloads/uk_frequency_allocations_chart.pdf
[14:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N5140707 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N5140707
[14:11] <chrisbrit81> Having had to apply to my own BSM many times for frequency allocation on det/exercise
[14:11] <arjunnaha> I assume BATC has a license for this: https://wiki.batc.org.uk/5.6_GHz one of the records over 100km, is it even possible below 100mW?
[14:12] <chrisbrit81> "aeronautical radionavigation" sounds familiar
[14:12] <russss> arjunnaha: that's on the amateur band. 400W maximum.
[14:13] <chrisbrit81> It's amazing what's possible with the right rx antenna
[14:14] <arjunnaha> Geography class afk! Be back in a bit
[14:14] <Ian_> 5.6GHz at 400W = interesting local outcomes :)
[14:14] <chrisbrit81> I've seen 10km FPV flights on 5.8GHz 25mw, with ridiculous ground stations though
[14:15] <russss> I don't see how you'd ever need that much power. Perhaps if you were sending TV to Mars.
[14:15] <Ian_> or cooking the user
[14:15] <chrisbrit81> you have no idea how close you are to the truth lol
[14:16] <chrisbrit81> using helical antennas and 5(ish)G signals, some SF units bounce of satellites for tac comms
[14:16] <russss> the wiki page says 2-4W which sounds about right for 100km
[14:16] <chrisbrit81> although not at 400W, last set I saw being used for that was only on about 5-10W max
[14:17] <russss> yeah, you can do a lot with a good antenna.
[14:18] <gonzo_> I read arjunnaha's comment as 'geography class antenna'. That must be an arecibo !
[14:19] <chrisbrit81> I'd say 80+% of fpv activity is completely illegal anyway
[14:19] <chrisbrit81> between LOS rules and OFCOM rules (illegal freqs and powers)
[14:20] <chrisbrit81> I should know, I've been doing it for 7 years myself.
[14:20] <gonzo_> club's probably keep their people in check, but the majority of people quit prob just have no idea of the rf legalities, (or that shuich things even exist)
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[14:20] <chrisbrit81> FPVers don't like "clubs" for that very reason.
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[14:21] <chrisbrit81> clubs are very good at enforcing the rules, as it makes sense to for self preservation.
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[14:22] <chrisbrit81> To be honest, FPV isn't even "fun" when confined to the legalities of it. Staying within LOS is the biggie, not much point in flying a plane via FPV if you're going to just stay in the same field
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> Depends how you do it. Take a ~5kg helicopter, with FPV,take off, and then winch up more engines and structure, and a seat, and a pilot.
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> Technically legal, lots of fun.
[14:25] <chrisbrit81> haha
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> I do imagine regulations would change quite fast.
[14:30] <chrisbrit81> I'm just wondering... in other hobby communities I've been involved in there's normally the "public facing" side that sticks to all the rules etc... then once you've been involved for a while you're introduced to the "real" side of the hobby where many people actually do break a lot of rules a lot of the time...... else there's not much "fun" or satisfaction in doing it to the letter of the law
[14:30] <chrisbrit81> I bet there are people who've put 1.2GHz video systems on HABs
[14:31] <vaizki> I bet they don't hang around here...
[14:34] <chrisbrit81> You'd normally find they'd groom the forums for info, build their setup, then never return
[14:34] <chrisbrit81> I really want to piggy back onto someone elses launch, see what's involved
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[14:38] <daveake> There's plenty of fun in extracting what you can within the regs
[14:39] <chrisbrit81> HI Dave
[14:39] <chrisbrit81> thanks for all your answers in my thread
[14:39] <fsphil> it's forced some rather inventive solutions in the past
[14:40] <daveake> fsphil and I had a short video (well, animated gif) download thing, to record a bear jumping from a HAB, which worked really well aside from my timing was out and the bear was already gone :/
[14:40] <fsphil> all sorts of interesting data modes have been used, multiple radios, the distrubuted tracking system
[14:41] <daveake> Cause was the camera program having a variable startup time
[14:41] <chrisbrit81> I just don't want to find myself caught short like what happened to me when I started FPV.
[14:41] <fsphil> still, it was video :)
[14:41] <daveake> it was :)
[14:41] <daveake> should do that again
[14:41] <daveake> but extract frame numbers and get the timing right
[14:41] <vaizki> video killed the radio star (the bear jumped)
[14:41] <fsphil> might as well jump
[14:42] <fsphil> go ahead and jump
[14:42] <vaizki> just do it
[14:42] <chrisbrit81> was told Xghz @ Ymw is the only thing in existence... then about a year and almost £1000 later in failed attempts and the purchase of bad equipment (recommended by the "legal" squad) I almost gave up until I started using "naughty" power levels
[14:43] <vaizki> fsphil, old-but-gold: http://lawhaha.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Nike-1.jpg
[14:43] <fsphil> I'm conflicted
[14:43] <chrisbrit81> My focus now will be on building a tracker and receiver. Once built, how to track using the live map without people thinking it's an actual balloon?
[14:44] <fsphil> video is just impractical at lower power levels sadly
[14:44] <vaizki> chrisbrit81, while EIRP levels and band allocations might seem arbitrary and punitive to you they do not exist only to annoy you
[14:44] <vaizki> friendly and planned co-existence in the radio spectrum is not a bad thing
[14:44] <vaizki> even if you think it's just air and who gives a flying hedgehog
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[14:45] <chrisbrit81> I fully agree and am perfectly aware of how interference can cause major issues, it's all about safety of course
[14:46] <chrisbrit81> My main example is the limit of 25mw on the 5.8GHz spectrum.
[14:46] <vaizki> it's like our weather reports, the weather radars at some point had like a 20 degree wedge of solid black on them when someone was just playing around with some ebay 5GHz stuff...
[14:46] <gonzo_> really, someone would use 1.2GHz for FPV? Next you will suggest that someone put one on a HAB.
[14:47] <vaizki> next someone will propose flying 5GHz wifi in streaming (non-associated) mode
[14:47] <vaizki> oh wait we already talked about it :)
[14:47] <gonzo_> given a big enough rx dish....
[14:47] <chrisbrit81> haha, I was just postulating that someone probably already has
[14:48] <gonzo_> If we had the 5th here, I'd take it
[14:48] <vaizki> well flying 5GHz wifi is not illegal
[14:50] <russss> it kind of is
[14:50] <chrisbrit81> depends, some mobile phone operated drones use the 5g wifi
[14:50] <russss> depending on the channel etc. It's complicated.
[14:51] <vaizki> https://github.com/bortek/EZ-WifiBroadcast
[14:51] <chrisbrit81> for both image/telem data transfer, others for the control data
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[14:52] <vaizki> that project has ready made packages to have a transmittin rpi and receiving rpi in wifi broadcast
[14:53] <chrisbrit81> I've seen that project on a FPV plane too.
[14:53] <chrisbrit81> not a fan though, digital transmission has too much latency... in fact, ANY latency is not good when you're attempting to pilot an aircraft in real-time
[14:54] <chrisbrit81> has it's applications of course, as do most things
[14:54] <chrisbrit81> so does anyone know if a ublox neo 6m works over 18kft?
[14:55] <fsphil> reminds me, I never did finsh the nbtv code. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjfJPj7J2aw
[14:55] <fsphil> 10mw "video" on 434mhz
[14:56] <chrisbrit81> lol @ the splunter
[14:57] <fsphil> that thing fell apart shortly after that video
[14:57] <chrisbrit81> what did you kill to get those motors? they looked brushed
[14:57] <fsphil> some argos cordless drills
[14:58] <chrisbrit81> fair one
[14:58] <chrisbrit81> I stumbled upon this HABing stuff whilst searching the web for Raspberry Pi projects.
[14:59] <chrisbrit81> my pi3 has already been a proxy server, a vpn, a personal "dropbox" style cloud server, a minecraft server, a CCTV camera and a retro games console
[14:59] <fsphil> they are handy little machines
[15:00] <chrisbrit81> cant get over how cheap the zero is
[15:01] <chrisbrit81> just wondering whether or not it's worth getting another pi3 though for use with the LoRa board, or just use the zero with the RF module
[15:02] <fsphil> for a ground station?
[15:04] <Ian_> Just get lots. You can never have too much Raspberry Pi.
[15:05] <fsphil> you can always dispose of them via hab flights :)
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[15:05] <Ian_> :)
[15:05] <fsphil> (not environmentally friendly though)
[15:05] <Ian_> I'm sure that Anthony would endorse the idea, in principle at least.
[15:06] <chrisbrit81> not for a FPV ground station no. I've left FPV behind now
[15:07] <chrisbrit81> I might not understand it all fully yet, but I don't think I'll be setting up a full on radio receiver for tracking flights. I will build a LoRa tracker for the balloon and a mobile LoRa reciever for retrieval but hoping to rely on the tracking network mid-flight
[15:13] <chrisbrit81> the kind of stuff I was getting up to till last year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKchE5JJLvY
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[15:23] <chrisbrit81> off to do a job, will be afk fab
[15:25] <rawles> win move 9
[15:25] <rawles> oops :/
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[15:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0SCM - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0SCM
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[15:37] <chrisbrit81> back
[15:42] <mfa298> chrisbrit81: reading some of the scrollback and your mailing list thread, it might be worth putting together a Pi and lora gateway setup, and possibly getting one of the rtlsdr dongles and having a go at tracking other peoples flights.
[15:42] <mfa298> that can help a lot with learning how some of the bits fit together, and doesn't have the pressure of trying to get it all working for your own flight
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[15:48] <chrisbrit81> definitely sounds like a good plan mfa298
[15:50] <chrisbrit81> So basically, I'm a comms tech in the RAF. Mostly working in IT but have worked with radios in the past. I currently work at AIDU which is where all the aeronautical information is compiled and turned into relevant documentation for flight planning etc. Basically I'm an IT guy in a map maker's unit.
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[15:51] <chrisbrit81> I thought it would be a good idea to join the two disciplines together.... coding, electrical engineering, RF theory and IT with the aeronautical side of things that the cartographers can bring to the party... NOTAMS and aeronautical charts etc
[15:53] <gonzo_> what radio's did you work on? Just wondering as a friend is ex-RAF. Wondered if you have crosed paths
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[15:57] <chrisbrit81> only man portable radios myself, such as the prc 117
[15:58] <chrisbrit81> ok, have to go again. nice chatting
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[17:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BoSSII - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BoSSII
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[19:20] <chrisbrit81> evening
[19:21] <chrisbrit81> how do I get it so when I come here I don't have to keep putting a nickname in?
[19:21] <chrisbrit81> and so that when you click my username you can see my real name?
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[19:22] <chrisbrit81> my current "realname" is my ip address and it obviously changes depending on where I'm joining from (home or work)
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[19:33] <mfa298> you might need to use a proper irc client rather than the web thingy, i you want something brower based I think a few people use irc cloud
[20:03] <chrisbrit81> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cla34QzgbKc
[20:03] <chrisbrit81> wow lol
[20:06] <chrisbrit81> what IRC client is good to get then?
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[20:07] <mfa298> that might depend on what OS you use. I think a fair number of people here are using Linux so use something like irssi or weechat
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[20:14] <chrisbrit81> sod it I'll just come on like this
[20:14] <chrisbrit81> nettalk asking for password etc
[20:15] <mfa298> I'm nto sure what the good windows clients are these days so can't suggest there
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[22:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5IFR-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5IFR-11
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1630318 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1630318
[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M2353418 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M2353418
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[23:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4456077 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4456077
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[23:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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