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[00:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1730477 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1730477
[00:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M1413486 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M1413486
[00:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4433Q71 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4433Q71
[01:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LetFik3 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LetFik3
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[01:31] <Laurenceb_> https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/defence-and-security-accelerator
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[01:32] <Laurenceb_> I didnt realise we have darpa style competitions in uk
[01:32] <Laurenceb_> >come on guys help the government create tools to oppress you with, what could possibly go wrong?
[01:33] <Laurenceb_> ^it does have a certain air of that to it somehow
[01:35] <Laurenceb_> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/accelerator-competition-finding-explosives-hidden-in-electrical-items
[01:35] <Laurenceb_> looks interesting
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[04:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03khawar_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=khawar_chase
[04:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[10:59] <Darkside> labjg: ping
[11:01] <Darkside> labjg: we can probably get an hourly predictor set up for your launch site...
[11:01] <Darkside> labjg: http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/Adelaide/ an example of one
[11:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:16] <labjg> Darkside: awesome 8)
[11:16] <Darkside> labjg: yo
[11:16] <labjg> We have a bunch of approved sites but Mt Stromlo would be most useful
[11:17] <labjg> -35.321465, 149.006293
[11:17] <Darkside> so yeah, the hourly predictor shows the predicted landing site for each hour for the upcoming week
[11:17] <labjg> yeah i found an example actually
[11:17] <labjg> neat
[11:17] <labjg> i wrote code to do this lol
[11:17] <Darkside> i did too :P
[11:17] <labjg> no way as useable as this though
[11:17] <labjg> if you could set up the above lat long that's be perfect
[11:17] <Darkside> actually i find the limitation of the per-hour prediction a bit annoying
[11:18] <Darkside> https://github.com/darksidelemm/cusf_predictor_wrapper
[11:18] <labjg> *that'd
[11:18] <Darkside> so is 5m/s ascent, 30 km burst, 5m/s descent ok?
[11:18] <labjg> maybe at url /stromlo or something
[11:18] <labjg> yeah that's fine
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M2413037 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M2413037
[11:19] <Darkside> whats the altitude of stromlo
[11:20] <Darkside> nvm google tells all
[11:20] <Darkside> oh goddamnit i need sudo on this server to do this
[11:20] <Darkside> grrrg
[11:21] <labjg> 770 m isn't it?
[11:21] <Darkside> yes
[11:21] <labjg> ah :/
[11:21] <Darkside> hrm wait it might still work
[11:21] <Darkside> orrr maybe not
[11:21] <Darkside> goddamnit
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[11:21] <labjg> D:
[11:22] <labjg> someone else need to do it?
[11:22] <Darkside> just poking the appropriate people now
[11:22] <labjg> excellent
[11:22] <Darkside> i've made the scenario, i think it has to be activated somehow
[11:22] <labjg> ok
[11:22] <Darkside> but yeah, i've been using my own code, because it will work with the 0.25 degree GFS model
[11:22] <labjg> with the ehatnow?
[11:23] <Darkside> 0.25 degree model -> 1 hour time resolution, which means better modelling of fronts and thigns like that
[11:23] <Darkside> the online predictors use the 0.5 degree GFS model, which only has 3 hour time resolution
[11:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4433147 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4433147
[11:23] <Darkside> i mean, its probably fine in most cases
[11:23] <labjg> ohh
[11:23] <labjg> yet there's an 'hourly' predictor..?
[11:23] <Darkside> it interpolates between data points
[11:23] <labjg> ah
[11:24] <Darkside> as does predict.habhub.org
[11:24] <labjg> had no idea
[11:24] <Darkside> its not like the models have 1 second time resolution...
[11:24] <labjg> so how do you get at the better data? not using habhub at all?
[11:24] <Darkside> yep.
[11:24] <Darkside> refer https://github.com/darksidelemm/cusf_predictor_wrapper
[11:24] <labjg> ok will take a look tomorrow
[11:25] <labjg> thx
[11:25] <labjg> ohh while you're here
[11:25] <Flo_> Hi guys, I have a question regarding the Pi-in-the-sky software. Is this the right place to ask some questions?
[11:25] <Darkside> im using the same predictor backend as what habhub is using, but im using a different model
[11:25] <Darkside> Flo_: day
[11:25] <Darkside> argh
[11:25] <Darkside> daveake: ^
[11:25] <Darkside> labjg: good luck, im off to bed
[11:25] <labjg> k
[11:26] <Darkside> labjg: http://rfhead.net/sondes/adelaide.kml
[11:26] <daveake> Flo_: There is a #pits channel, but you can ask here
[11:26] <Darkside> argh oh wait, that file is ancient
[11:27] <Darkside> ah fine
[11:27] <labjg> for anyone who's listening: are there any good burst/parachute predictors available for offline use? e.g. a spreadsheet?
[11:27] <Darkside> labjg: http://rfhead.net/sondes/adelaide.kml that file is generated by the code i linked
[11:27] <Darkside> ooh. there was an ancient spreadsheet...
[11:27] <Darkside> i dont have a copy of it anymore
[11:27] <Flo_> I'm planning to use this with 868Mhz Lora modules. However upon testing the range on the ground I basically loose communication after 8km of line of sight. Am I expecting too much range from Lora or are the default pits settings restraining the range?
[11:28] <daveake> 8km on the ground is pretty good
[11:28] <daveake> 868 does have less range than 434, but the main factor is the bandwidth setting
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[11:29] <daveake> You in UK or elsewhere ?
[11:29] <labjg> Darkside looks good
[11:29] <Flo_> Germany
[11:29] <labjg> There's something about the convenience of a web link too tho..
[11:30] <Darkside> labjg: the next thing i want to do is overlay that kml file onto a google map somehow
[11:30] <labjg> Especially for stromlo.. need to catch to occasions we can release from there
[11:30] <daveake> Check for power/bandwidth/duty cycle limitations in Germany
[11:30] <Darkside> labjg: in which case the hourly predictor will do fine
[11:30] <daveake> In the UK I used part of the 868-869 ISM band for high bandwidth (high compared to what we can usually do in the UK ...) downloads
[11:31] <daveake> And the range is much less than regular low bandwidth 434 transmissions
[11:31] <Darkside> labjg: we had out first splashdown in a while today
[11:31] <Darkside> which was a bit sad, but got lots of good pictures down
[11:31] <labjg> orly? oof
[11:31] <labjg> heh
[11:31] <labjg> what happened?
[11:32] <labjg> weather or bad fill?
[11:32] <Darkside> underfilled
[11:32] <labjg> boo
[11:32] <Darkside> and the descent rate was slower than expected
[11:32] <Darkside> it wasnt an 'important' launch anyway
[11:32] <labjg> :(
[11:32] <Darkside> the payloads were all intended to be throwaways
[11:32] <labjg> ah well
[11:33] <Darkside> but yeah, got pictures down to 300m, just before it splash landed in lake alexandrina
[11:33] <labjg> haha
[11:33] <Darkside> https://imgur.com/a/92ZiT
[11:33] <Darkside> all downlinked from the balloon
[11:33] <Darkside> there's way more images than that, i just picked the good ones...
[11:34] <labjg> heh
[11:35] <labjg> i guess that lake is on your mind quite often
[11:35] <Darkside> yep
[11:35] <labjg> :P
[11:35] <Darkside> one of our many obstacles
[11:35] <Flo_> Regulations in germany allow from 869.400 to 869.650 with a bandwith of 250kHz and a Duty Cylce of 10% a maximum power of 500mW
[11:35] <Darkside> though if we get really stuck we can launch elsewhere
[11:35] <Darkside> labjg: but yeah, images are downlinked way faster than what you can do via lora ;-)
[11:36] <Darkside> around 30-50 seconds for each of those images
[11:36] <labjg> nice
[11:36] <Darkside> depends on content of course
[11:36] <labjg> so what is the link?
[11:37] <Darkside> https://github.com/projecthorus/wenet/wiki
[11:37] <Darkside> that page isnt that detailed unfortunately
[11:37] <Darkside> but basically its 115kbps FSK + LDPC encoding
[11:38] <labjg> wow cool
[11:38] <labjg> on 70cm band?
[11:38] <Darkside> yep
[11:38] <Darkside> we run on 441.2 MHz
[11:38] <labjg> licence required?
[11:38] <Darkside> though you'd need to find a suitable hole in your area
[11:38] <Darkside> oh yes
[11:38] <Darkside> its way too wide for the ISM band
[11:38] <labjg> i need to get one
[11:39] <Darkside> because we're using unfiltered FSK, its something like 400 kHz wide with sidebands >_>
[11:39] <labjg> :D
[11:39] <Darkside> so we go hide it up the top end of the 70cm band
[11:39] <Darkside> we've had 3 of them in the air at once before, on 4412, 443.5, and 446.5 MHz
[11:39] <labjg> awesome
[11:39] <Darkside> i'd say the bottome nd of 440-450 MHZ is the best place for it, you just need to avoid repeater links
[11:40] <labjg> you should call yourselves the radio experime.. oh wait
[11:40] <Darkside> har har har
[11:40] <labjg> anyway mate gotta run
[11:40] <Darkside> cheers
[11:40] <labjg> gnite all
[11:42] <Darkside> daveake: https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPe9v2SJwFkxK4lEndbdou5Xqne616eGsHuGcyf
[11:42] <Darkside> argh
[11:42] <Darkside> daveake: https://photos.app.goo.gl/CWjcoMiStQXphjA63
[11:42] <Darkside> that link should work...
[11:42] <Darkside> portable wenet RX setup
[11:43] <daveake> cool. Could do with cross yagi for my 869 lora
[11:43] <Darkside> hrm yeah would be harder to find one for that band
[11:43] <Darkside> best bet would be a helical
[11:43] <russss> ooh, nice
[11:44] <Darkside> i must admit though, the turnstile on the roof of my car did a good job too
[11:44] <Darkside> but i was pretty much right under the payload most of the time
[11:45] <daveake> Flo_: 10% DC doesn't help. Do you have other bands around 868 you could use? There are several here, and the one I use is 300kHz wide 5mW 100% DC
[11:45] <Darkside> the x-yagi station got 275000 packets, my car got 200000 packets
[11:45] <daveake> OK a reasonable improvement then
[11:46] <Darkside> lots of data downlinked...
[11:46] <Darkside> same again next weekend, but 2 wenet payloads in teh air this time
[11:46] <daveake> heh
[11:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LU1ESY-3 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU1ESY-3
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[15:23] <Kryczek> Upu: Hi! May I ask: what changed between HAB-GPSPI-ASSY and the current HAB-GPSPI-NAN ? :)
[15:24] <Upu> the bit at the end
[15:24] <Upu> -ASSY to -NAN
[15:24] <Upu> </sarcasm>
[15:24] <Kryczek> :P
[15:24] <Upu> it was an internal stock thing
[15:24] <Kryczek> ah ok :)
[15:24] <Upu> as we started offring kits
[15:25] <Upu> may have been around the time we moved from CR2032 to supercap
[15:25] <Kryczek> ah the new ones don't have a CR2032 slot?
[15:26] <Kryczek> (it's hard to tell which ones are old photos and which ones are new)
[15:26] <Upu> yeah new ones have more filtering and a super cap
[15:26] <Kryczek> very cool
[15:26] <Kryczek> thank you for your answers :)
[15:29] <Upu> nps
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[15:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Fesal Khan Gouran_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Fesal%20Khan%20Gouran_chase
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[16:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HTGSM1 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HTGSM1
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[17:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OS122_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OS122_chase
[18:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W1GUS-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W1GUS-11
[18:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS13 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS13
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0210389 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0210389
[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4433419 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4433419
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[23:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M2413061 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M2413061
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