highaltitude.log.20180119

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[00:15] <Alex_> Hi can someone help me use dlfldigi
[00:16] <Alex_> is anyone here?
[00:33] <SpeedEvil> What's the problem
[00:34] <Alex_> at the momen
[00:34] <Alex_> t
[00:35] <Alex_> on dl-fldigi the signal is way to the left
[00:35] <Alex_> in the coloured display part
[00:35] <Alex_> its not 2 clear defined lines
[00:35] <Alex_> and tbh i dont know what basically all of the buttons on dl-fldigi do
[00:38] <Alex_> im following the guide
[00:39] <Alex_> is there any way i can send you a screen shot?
[00:44] <Alex_> hello?
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[00:48] <Alex_> i feel like i have some setup wrong on dl-fldigi
[00:48] <Alex_> can you help?
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[01:02] <Darkside> Alex_: that means your radio is not on-frequency
[01:03] <Darkside> dl-fldigi does not control the centre frequency of your radio (or SDR, whatever you'r eusing)
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[01:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIZM after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIZM
[01:07] <Ian_> send your picture, using imgur.com and post the url here. Anyone that can help may do so.
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[01:59] <labjg> Darkside: pretty picture fyi https://twitter.com/StromloANU/status/954166141940744193
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[02:12] <Darkside> labjg: nice
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[02:13] <Darkside> labjg: so what image downlink optiond do you have?
[02:14] <Darkside> all via lora?
[02:14] <Darkside> (will be on and off irc over the arvo, am at a rrmote site)
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[02:33] <labjg> VK2COW was pulling down lora images from the pi camera during the flight yes
[02:33] <labjg> but the pic above is a still from a 4k gopro :)
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[06:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03icarusIV after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=icarusIV
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[07:38] <Mike-SA6BSS> anyone that knows of the dynamics behind why a foil balloon looses 1 gram of free lift at ground level every 30 hours but can stay afloat for weeks/month at 10000m?
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[08:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03woodmaker_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=woodmaker_chase
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[08:58] <_Jord> Morning peeps!
[08:59] <craag> Morning _Jord
[08:59] <_Jord> I think i put one too many sweetners in my tea.
[08:59] <_Jord> It's abnormally sweet today
[09:01] <_Jord> Our internet got slowed down alot yesterday
[09:03] <_Jord> My radio club times are the same as my driving lesson times. so I'm going to have to just read my radio textbook and hope that helps
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[09:40] <_Jord> Ah, i remember now the reason why i used 868, was becuase 434 flooded the band (lora)
[09:42] <daveake> No. If you look at the bandplans for 434 and 868, those dictate what bandwidth/power/duty cycle you can use at different frequencies
[09:43] <daveake> Unless you have a particular requirement (e.g. high bandwidth), then 434 is best as there are moany more receivers, and it has better range
[09:43] <_Jord> Will the default settings for LoRa mode 0 suffice?
[09:43] <daveake> That mode is intended for best range with telemetry only
[09:43] <_Jord> it says (normal for telemetry)
[09:43] <daveake> mode 1 for SSDV
[09:44] <_Jord> awesome, i'll roll with that for now
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[09:44] <daveake> yeah, best to
[09:50] <vaizki> high roller
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[09:52] <_Jord> hmm, never had this issue before. when i run sudo ./gateway. It flashes as if its going to change the screen then it takes me straight back to CLI
[09:53] <_Jord> also at daveake so you accept spelling mistakes on your blog. I found one if so.
[09:53] <_Jord> do you*
[09:54] <daveake> I don't make speling mistooks
[09:54] <daveake> just typos :)
[09:54] <_Jord> yeah thats what i mean lol
[09:54] <daveake> yeah go on
[09:54] <daveake> I've seen a couple
[09:55] <_Jord> On your lora gateway READMe on git, calling mode subheading. last line "calling" is wrong
[09:55] <_Jord> If I ever start a new MMO, claling is defo gunna be my character name :)
[09:55] <daveake> ta
[09:59] <_Jord> Seems like my lora gateway program closes immediately after opening.
[10:27] <_Jord> okay finally got my vnc working..
[10:27] <_Jord> was sick of x2 kb + m
[10:28] <Ian_> _Jord, Notice that you keep changing username and said yesterday that it seemed others were using your name.
[10:28] <Ian_> have you thought about registering your IRC username
[10:29] <_Jord> Do what now?
[10:29] <_Jord> nope.
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[10:29] <Ian_> Just a thought. It associates it with a password and prevents others from filching it.
[10:29] <_Jord> Oh nice
[10:30] <Ian_> Was Alex on the launch team yesterday?
[10:30] <_Jord> I want one but at the same time i'd want to be my callsign. but i don't know how to come up with my radio callsing.
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[10:30] <_Jord> Alex was not on the launch team yesterday no.
[10:31] <Ian_> I guess that will have to wait until you pass your Foundation exam.
[10:31] <_Jord> Is that when you get your callsign?
[10:31] <Ian_> I am G0PAi
[10:32] <Ian_> Yes it's issued when you apply for it after passing the examination
[10:32] <_Jord> Ah.
[10:33] <_Jord> Looking forward to it.
[10:34] <Ian_> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs/highaltitude.log.20180119 see at 00:35 for the root of the problem . . .
[10:36] <Ian_> If you have just a very few configurations using RTTY then set up dl_fldigi from a crib and then it's just the radio and tone tuning that can be wrong.
[10:36] <Ian_> Assuming you used the right 300 or 50 Baud crib of course.
[10:36] <_Jord> Wait when was this?
[10:37] <Ian_> this morning
[10:37] <_Jord> at midnight? seems unlikely.
[10:37] <Ian_> Doubtless relating to yesterday's lack of comms from the launch site. Who's kidding who.
[10:38] <_Jord> The launch was done wednesday. Surely can;t be connected?
[10:40] <_Jord> The ireland launch team got back yesterday. seems to me unconnected.,
[10:41] <Ian_> Someone doing a bit of late homework having had a few probs during the day.
[10:41] <_Jord> Yeah
[10:42] <Ian_> Late at night when you were not likely to be about, but the Internet; it knows :)
[10:42] <_Jord> Well I got on alex's laptop this morning. The software was fine.
[10:43] <Ian_> I thought that he/she had it just sorted a few months ago, but memory can be a fickle thing over time.
[10:43] <_Jord> hmmm.
[10:43] <_Jord> anywho i need help with my lora gateway because I'm stumped again :)
[10:44] <Ian_> A checklist/s would make it dead easy.
[10:44] <_Jord> Checklist for fl-digi settings?
[10:44] <Ian_> Yes.
[10:44] <_Jord> or a (semi) skilled individual
[10:44] <_Jord> I give my tracking teams a powerpoint of trouble shooting guides anyway
[10:45] <Ian_> For a semi skilled individual. Yeah, but do they get a screenshot/s of dl_fldigi to just ensure that the right buttons are all set up right before having to enter WTF mode?
[10:46] <Ian_> Seems that the fail was with the launch team and dl_fldigi.
[10:46] <_Jord> No Ian_ unfortunately they panic if its not plug n play. Which yesterday i was told it never is for RTTY
[10:46] <_Jord> Yeah as I said. I tracked fine back in england.
[10:47] <Ian_> Anyhow, what's the LoRa problem, beyond the crashing out.
[10:47] <_Jord> Seems to force quit right as a run the damn thing.
[10:47] <_Jord> i type sudo ./gateway
[10:47] <_Jord> and it crashes me out back to my CLI
[10:48] <_Jord> almost instantly
[10:48] <daveake> Got a gateway.txt ?
[10:48] <_Jord> yeah
[10:48] <daveake> any error message ?
[10:49] <_Jord> No error message, would syslog tell me anything?
[10:49] <daveake> no
[10:49] <daveake> Check you've followed all the steps
[10:49] <daveake> Have you changed gateway.txt at all ?
[10:49] <_Jord> Yeah gateway txt had been modified for my use.
[10:49] <_Jord> I think i forgot to enable SPI :)
[10:50] <_Jord> right that worked.
[10:50] <Ian_> :) win.
[10:51] <Ian_> daveake Questions (simple) Sunday the package, was that a small powerbank or just a battery holder in the bottom of the package (white)?
[10:52] <daveake> AA powerbank
[10:53] <daveake> Means you can use energizer lithiums
[10:53] <daveake> though tbh lipos are fine when there's a bit of heat
[10:53] <Ian_> Thought so but element of doubt - got it. The GoPros were environmental support. The chase rx graphics, GTK, Qt (derivatives) or other?
[10:53] <daveake> The smaller brick was a regular powerbank, running the backup tracker
[10:53] <_Jord> Lemme get a gps module on this
[10:54] <daveake> You don't need gps on it
[10:54] <_Jord> Right I'm getting data strings in!
[10:54] <daveake> woo
[10:54] <_Jord> whats next? lol
[10:54] <Ian_> I'll check the software
[10:58] <_Jord> So this is as far as lora goes to my knowledge. What else is there to do?
[10:58] <daveake> Get the tracker on the map
[10:58] <_Jord> pffft.
[10:59] <_Jord> theres a git for that too right? :0
[10:59] <daveake> ?
[10:59] <daveake> Put it online - as you would need to with dl-fldigi
[10:59] <_Jord> hmm. would this run through a SDR + preamp?
[11:00] <daveake> i.e. tell gateway to go online (see readme), do the payload doc
[11:00] <daveake> SDR? No.
[11:00] <daveake> This is a self-contained radio reciver and decoder; it doesn't need another radio receiver
[11:01] <daveake> preamp doesn't make a lot of difference
[11:01] <_Jord> Ah so just a GPA and another whip?
[11:01] <daveake> If you're in a noisy radio environment then a filtered preamp would help, but otherwise I doubt it
[11:01] <daveake> You can use another aerial, or a splitter
[11:02] <_Jord> I mean on gateway.txt EnableHabitat = Y. but that doesnt seem to do anthing.
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[11:02] <_Jord> Think im gunna use another aerial to start with
[11:03] <daveake> Best to
[11:04] <_Jord> right habitat flashes once a string appears. so time for payload doc config now right?
[11:04] <daveake> yep
[11:04] <_Jord> ps this isnt on the README
[11:04] <_Jord> so are we still RTTY?
[11:07] <_Jord> sent my payload doc on #habhub
[11:07] <daveake> What isn't in the readme ?
[11:08] <_Jord> the payload doc bit for LoRa setup on the map
[11:08] <_Jord> what baud would be best for this? 50 seems like a good way to go
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[11:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LORA1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LORA1
[11:13] <_Jord> omg. i think it works.
[11:14] <_Jord> woah my listener is at 0.0
[11:14] <_Jord> ooops
[11:15] <daveake> There's no point filling in the baud rate etc for this
[11:16] <daveake> The payload bit isn't specific to LoRa so there's nothing to say about that in the gateway readme
[11:16] <_Jord> ah so have i set it up correctly.
[11:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M2413058 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M2413058
[11:17] <daveake> You don't even need the whole rtty section in the payload doc
[11:17] <_Jord> oh. ill remove it then
[11:17] <daveake> yeah I do
[11:18] <_Jord> is the rtty section " Radio and telemetry configuration"?
[11:18] <_Jord> or parser?
[11:18] <daveake> Former; parse bit is always needed
[11:18] <_Jord> okay
[11:19] <_Jord> sweet.
[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4523207 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4523207
[11:20] <daveake> btw, as a general point, when you create a a payload doc, try and use your own payload ID not one that someone else has used
[11:20] <daveake> You don't want to mess up someone else's working tracker/payload doc ......
[11:21] <_Jord> how do you mean? did i still someones ID?
[11:21] <daveake> yup
[11:21] <daveake> LORA1 is one of mine
[11:21] <_Jord> fook
[11:21] <_Jord> ill change it
[11:21] <_Jord> An apologies
[11:21] <daveake> Meh not sure that tracker still has that ID
[11:22] <daveake> too late
[11:22] <daveake> point for future tho
[11:22] <_Jord> okay so definetly customise the callsign to something very unique.
[11:22] <_Jord> understood.
[11:22] <daveake> yeah
[11:22] <_Jord> Well this is certainly a start.
[11:23] <_Jord> so thank you muchly
[11:23] <daveake> yup
[11:23] <Ian_> With it getting that simple, you could get back to flight docs :)
[11:23] <daveake> np
[11:23] <_Jord> Hmm i'll talk it over with my crew. thing is they don't like waiting around...
[11:23] <daveake> The one gotcha with LoRa modules is that they can be a few kHz off the frequency they're set to
[11:24] <daveake> and if there's more than 4kHz difference between Tx and Rx, it won't work (not with modes 0 and 1 anyway)
[11:24] <daveake> So if you don't receive when you should, or you're getting crc errors listed, try changing the gateway frequency up/down 2kHz or so
[11:24] <_Jord> AFC seems to show + 0.6 mhz atm
[11:25] <daveake> yeah AFC will keep it close if it drifts
[11:25] <daveake> But they can start off too far apart
[11:25] <daveake> kHz not MHz
[11:26] <_Jord> Ah yeah
[11:26] <Ian_> What's the answer; net gateway to package-tracker in pre-flight planning?
[11:27] <Ian_> Net = tune to signal (not necessarily getting hung up trying to match numbers)
[11:28] <craag> Is offset still a problem when using calling-frequency system?
[11:28] <Ian_> Back in the day tx and rx separates used to drift terribly and netting was the only answer.
[11:28] <Ian_> point taken craag
[11:28] <_Jord> So ideally then. hook the lora module up to a GPA and then have the gateway listener in the chase car and boom habhub readings!
[11:29] <Ian_> What you said (?) as long as the chase car is getting the expected big signal then you are probably good to go.
[11:31] <Ian_> craag is there a way of fixing an offset issue when using the calling-frequency system, or would it require an offset correction for receivers to be implimented?
[11:32] <Ian_> Assuming the offset was likely to be a fixed value per module.
[11:32] <craag> I believe the calling-frequency system measured the offset of the 'call' and used the same offset to receive NB telemetry. I was wondering whether this had been proven effective.
[11:32] <_Jord> calling mode can wait haha, just wanna get this in the air and see if it responds.
[11:36] <_Jord> Yeah so obviously thing is with lora on 434, nobody else could use the 434.5 band if I am...
[11:37] <Ian_> Don't forget PE2BZ in your frequency selection
[11:37] <Ian_> You never know when you want his big antennas :)
[11:38] <craag> _Jord: Why's that?
[11:38] <daveake> craag Yes the calling mode fixes it as you say
[11:38] <daveake> If people* start using it that would be great :)
[11:38] <Ian_> :)
[11:38] <_Jord> oh yeah daveake. can PE2BZ listen to lora?
[11:38] <daveake> *me for a start
[11:39] <Ian_> I would be surprised if he couldn't. It wouldn't cost him an arm and a leg to set up if he isn't already.
[11:39] <daveake> he can
[11:39] <Ian_> Thought so.
[11:39] <Ian_> OpenVG is the answer to my earlier question I guess.
[11:40] <_Jord> craag: because on HDSDR when i go to 434.5 its alot of green bubbles that fill at least half of the band
[11:40] Action: daveake makes note to include calling mode on next month's flight
[11:41] <Ian_> That's probably because of your close proximity to the tx
[11:41] <_Jord> * Jord makes note to include calling mode as soon as he figures out how it works
[11:41] <daveake> mode 0/1 use 20.8kHz bandwidth
[11:41] <daveake> It'll look more like 25kHz when close
[11:41] <_Jord> because my transmission is on the windowsill and the gateway is on the desk.
[11:42] <_Jord> ?
[11:42] <daveake> Worth remembering the bandwith uses when choosing frequencies
[11:42] <Ian_> That would be a window of opportunity no doubt.
[11:42] <craag> I'll attempt to get the lora receiver plugged back in at farnham. So if you use calling mode then you'll have that :)
[11:42] <daveake> Cheers, noted :)
[11:43] <daveake> Next flight should be fun - if it works, it'll be 869 lora cycling between 3 cameras
[11:43] <daveake> 1 on the main pi 2 on networked pi zeroes
[11:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSISP after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSISP
[11:43] <daveake> same on 434.something
[11:44] <vaizki> daveake, 20.8 vs 25, is that because 90% of the rf power is in the occupied bandwidth of 20.8 but when close up you can see the rest spatter around in the surrouding 4kHz?
[11:44] <daveake> yup
[11:44] <Ian_> Stronger double sided sticky tape :)
[11:45] <_Jord> is 50 baud 7N2?
[11:45] <_Jord> or 7N1?
[11:45] <Ian_> 7N2 better
[11:45] <daveake> former, but dl-fldigi ignores that setting anyway
[11:46] <Ian_> Not much but more room for recovery after a character stumble/garble.
[11:47] <_Jord> so it is now possible to get RTTY with HDSDR and FL-DIGI whil lora is running
[11:47] <_Jord> obviously on a different frequency
[11:47] <daveake> yes
[11:48] <Ian_> fl_digi = the receiver ignores the length of the stop bit setting, being ready to be triggered by a start bit immediatel after reception of the last data bit.
[11:48] <Ian_> Just for clarity
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[11:49] <_Jord> Seems to not be behaving: https://imgur.com/a/GyGKi
[11:50] <_Jord> i get alot of j's d's and other random characters.
[11:50] <craag> screenshotting the waterfall and surrounding UI is a lot more useful.
[11:51] <_Jord> ooh okay
[11:52] <Ian_> Is that receive filter bandwidth really 68Hz (for both tones with 650Hz of a shift between them?)
[11:52] <_Jord> https://imgur.com/a/1IO06
[11:52] <_Jord> Ian_: its on auto
[11:52] <_Jord> i presume it auto chooses.
[11:53] <daveake> First, that 650Hz carrier shift isn't enough
[11:53] <craag> _Jord: Notice in the waterfall that your red bars don't line up.
[11:53] <craag> -> what daveake said
[11:53] <daveake> Needs to be wider so the red cursor lines aren't in the centre of the signal bands
[11:53] <daveake> ARE
[11:53] <daveake> ffs
[11:54] <_Jord> alright done that
[11:55] <_Jord> https://imgur.com/a/FDfhE
[11:55] <Ian_> Should it be set to USB rather than RTTY?
[11:55] <_Jord> oooooh it works!
[11:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITSLORA1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITSLORA1
[11:56] <daveake> LORA ??
[11:57] <Ian_> if dl_fldigi is working, snapshot those settings for a crib.
[11:59] <_Jord> a crib?
[11:59] <_Jord> daveake: my bad on the callsign. ill change ti
[11:59] <_Jord> it
[11:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M2030649 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M2030649
[12:01] <Ian_> Is SITS a commercial renaming of BARC?
[12:01] <Ian_> Both being synonimous of course.
[12:01] <_Jord> I think so
[12:01] <Ian_> :)
[12:01] <_Jord> Joint decsion
[12:02] <Ian_> Bigger than the two.
[12:02] <daveake> Should be SINS ofc :p
[12:02] <_Jord> ahhahah
[12:02] <Ian_> :)
[12:02] <daveake> not being actual space
[12:05] <_Jord> ofc
[12:06] <_Jord> Yeah so now that i have lora and rtty working side by side. i can't possibly lose mwahahhaha
[12:06] <_Jord> but honestly couldnt have don it without the help of #highaltitude. you guys rock!
[12:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITSRTTY - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITSRTTY
[12:07] <_Jord> boom
[12:08] <_Jord> ooh jeez balloon ception
[12:09] <Ian_> Gotta be good. Keep a weather eye on the channel, there is a lot to be picked up from scanning each day's conversations.
[12:10] <Ian_> Raspberry Pi, keyboard, screen, mouse and a wifi or ethernet connection.
[12:10] <Ian_> No need to tie up any other gear.
[12:11] <_Jord> Yeah Ian_ i need ot be more active
[12:11] <_Jord> Ian_: i was thinking VNC straight to our laptop
[12:12] <Ian_> Laptops are probably better used for something else. What business doesn't have a gash keyboard, mouse and an old screen somewhere?
[12:12] <_Jord> Ian_: we are clearly not talkin about the chase anymore right
[12:12] <_Jord> (not the program)
[12:12] <_Jord> the chase down
[12:12] <Ian_> No, just as a background informative source
[12:13] <Ian_> In the office.
[12:13] <craag> Ian_: Makes it a bit hard to post links and screenshots though, so probably not ideal for him.
[12:13] <_Jord> I kb + m + HDMI into a monitor for raspbian stretch desktop. setup vnc and kept the etho cable in. now i can see my rasp display on my 3rd monitor :)
[12:14] <Ian_> I was thinking as a general eye in the sky. Can always hop onto a laptop if he wants to get interactive with screenshots etc.
[12:14] <_Jord> eye in the sky you say? thats a sayin i aint heard of
[12:15] <Ian_> An overview . . .
[12:15] <_Jord> sorry silly me
[12:16] <Ian_> A bit like a HAB ticker-tape machine of old.
[12:16] <_Jord> ah
[12:16] <Ian_> a la the stock exchange.
[12:20] <_Jord> Next stop, calling mode :)
[12:20] <Ian_> Attaboy
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[12:26] <daveake> We settled on 433.650MHz (nbote 433 not 434!) for the calling mode frequency
[12:26] <daveake> It's a quiet region
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[12:26] <_Jord> okay, i'll defineitely not that down
[12:26] <_Jord> note
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[12:27] <daveake> and it's outside the band we use for HAB trackers, as it doesn't allow continuous transmission
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[12:28] <_Jord> daveake: so triggering a led on the payload from the ground i can do on calling mode?
[12:28] <_Jord> or would it happen every single cycle>
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[12:32] <daveake> Nothing to do with LEDs. You tell it in the settings how often to transmit the calling mode message.
[12:32] <daveake> I'll write it up later today
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[12:33] <daveake> Oh, I already did ... http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1816
[12:33] <_Jord> What if I just want to transmit a message once, on demand? then i could do some work with getting a python script to recognise the message
[12:34] <daveake> You mean from ground to hab ?
[12:35] <_Jord> Yeah
[12:35] <craag> Honestly I'd suggest getting some successful experience with telemetry only first.
[12:35] <daveake> Yeah well I don't give away all my secrets :)
[12:35] <_Jord> craag: yeah
[12:35] <daveake> and WcraagSaid 100%
[12:35] <_Jord> daveake: thats appreciated
[12:35] <_Jord> i got a decent idea anywho.
[12:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIZM after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIZM
[13:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[14:21] Action: PE2BZ is ready for LoRa. 434 MHz that is... Name a date and frequency :-)
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[16:03] <_Jord> PE2BZ: It will probably be only 24 hours notice :)
[16:14] <luteijn>
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[17:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03??????_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F_chase
[17:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BRUCE after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BRUCE
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[19:12] <PE2BZ> _Jord if you allready have the info about settings that would be no problem. I have the LoRa tracker running on the latest flight settings I have saved
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[20:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
[21:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[21:42] <richardeoin> Mike-SA6BSS: there's a few possibilities I think
[21:42] <richardeoin> moisture content in the air changing the film permeability
[21:43] <richardeoin> dust/particulate build-up on the envelope
[21:44] <richardeoin> change in supertemperature between free lift measurements
[21:47] <cm13g09> evening richardeoin
[21:47] <cm13g09> how's things?
[21:53] <richardeoin> Hey cm13g09
[21:54] <richardeoin> things are good here
[21:54] <richardeoin> I guess you're as busy as usual?
[22:10] <cm13g09> yeah
[22:10] <cm13g09> tell me about it
[22:12] <richardeoin> I'm working now, so I'm not supposed to busy outside 9-5
[22:12] <richardeoin> but you know
[22:12] <richardeoin> lift
[22:12] <richardeoin> *life
[22:12] <cm13g09> yeah
[22:12] <cm13g09> I work 8-6 supposedly
[22:12] <cm13g09> reality is that I'm still in the office
[22:14] <richardeoin> goodness
[22:14] <cm13g09> yep
[22:14] <cm13g09> currently trying to bind a load of machines to Windows Server Update Services
[22:15] <richardeoin> I've not reached that level yet, although I could happily find work to keep me busy
[22:16] <richardeoin> my ability to spell usually wanes about 6pm, which is a sign to call it quits
[22:17] <cm13g09> ah
[22:17] <richardeoin> the person who wrote this month's radcom cover should have taken my advice
[22:18] <richardeoin> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT0XQfAW0AA2CAP.jpg:large
[22:18] <richardeoin> pretty embarrasing for a magazine about radio
[22:19] <cm13g09> OOPS
[22:19] <richardeoin> prog might it funny
[22:21] <richardeoin> although he's probably too busy filling every available mm of the board with ground vias
[22:24] <cm13g09> hah
[22:26] <cm13g09> right - now why the hell doesn't this work lol
[22:27] <cm13g09> richardeoin: I wish Windows Update actually would do things a little faster than it does
[22:28] <cm13g09> Actually checking in with its update server would be nice.....
[22:28] <richardeoin> that's part of the fun, surely
[22:29] <cm13g09> lol
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[22:37] <Mike-SA6BSS> richardeoin: tnx for info, yeah,, strange fenomenon, filled balloons fall to the ground at home within 5-6 days but at altitude I have them for over 22days withous seeing any loss in altitude
[22:40] <richardeoin> hmm not a measurement problem then
[22:41] <richardeoin> some films are particularly moisture sensitive, eg EVOH
[22:41] <richardeoin> http://www.google.com/search?q=evoh+moisture+sensitivity
[22:48] <Mike-SA6BSS> tnx, will read up, if you got to think of anything else just ping me
[22:49] <Bob_ZL1RS> might explain the results here considering the near 100% humidity the last few days
[22:50] <Mike-SA6BSS> yeah, your test balloons lost their gas real fast, right
[22:50] <Mike-SA6BSS> ?
[22:50] <Bob_ZL1RS> but we don't know the material, do we?
[22:50] <Mike-SA6BSS> nop, plastic :)
[22:51] <Bob_ZL1RS> time to do 'day 3' free lift check now ...
[22:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STS41B - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STS41B
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1650482 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1650482
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[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M2033516 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M2033516
[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4453046 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4453046
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[23:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSISP after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSISP
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