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[00:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M1413547 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M1413547
[01:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4413560 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4413560
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[05:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0220115 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0220115
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[07:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Curtis_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Curtis_chase
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[10:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[11:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IV3SRD-11 after 038 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IV3SRD-11
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4616025 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4616025
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[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M2443192 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M2443192
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4336151 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4336151
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[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[11:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1740207 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1740207
[11:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0220425 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0220425
[11:55] <Darkside> hrm using a time window of 6_hours on the tracker makes it much cleaner!
[11:55] <Darkside> i.e. https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=5&qm=6_hours&mc=54.03007,-3.94822
[11:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M461602q - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M461602q
[12:02] <Darkside> hrm
[12:02] <Darkside> mwheeler: ^ crc fail?
[12:03] <Darkside> i wonder if he has rebuilt the binaries recently...
[12:04] <mwheeler> Hmm. I need to check that out. It's hard to work out with out samples though. I was wondering if we should log the raw rtl_fm output for $x number of decodes
[12:05] <Darkside> you could probably add in a debug more where the output of rtl_fm is tee'd off to a file
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[12:07] <mwheeler> Yeah
[12:08] <fsphil> still no launch here. wonder what's going on
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[15:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KC1EAI after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC1EAI
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[16:05] <hopej> hello all - I am completely new to HAB and hoping to get a little advise on a few things.
[16:06] <hopej> I am looking at buying aerials for the chase car LoRa gateway/receiver.
[16:06] <hopej> Is there a minimum length I should be looking at for a magmount whip aerial?
[16:07] <fsphil> Just make sure whatever you get is designed for the frequency you're using
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[16:09] <fsphil> this is the one I normally use: https://cpc.farnell.com/watson/wsm-270/wsm-270-mini-mag-antenna/dp/IT44456
[16:09] <hopej> so longer =/= better? https://goo.gl/Rn2w4T would be fine for a 434MHz LoRa
[16:09] <fsphil> no, there'll be ideal lengths for certain frequencies
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[16:10] <fsphil> that's very wideband, it probably wouldn't work well for one designed specifically for the 430-440mhz band (70cm)
[16:10] <fsphil> (the 70cm is the band's name, not the antenna length :)
[16:11] <hopej> ok - I thought it was dual band rather than range. Dave Akerman says that they are commonly listed as 2m/70cm. But I will look for one that is just 70cm
[16:12] <fsphil> dual band is fine
[16:12] <fsphil> it's just that one mentions 25-1300mhz too
[16:12] <fsphil> also beware that one has a Reverse SMA
[16:13] <hopej> what is reverse SMA?
[16:13] <fsphil> Same as SMA, but the innard bits are reversed. an evil thing :)
[16:14] <hopej> Ahh ok! Thanks for the spot! I see now
[16:14] <fsphil> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1246/1615/files/sma-rpsma_d3275891-b33e-4398-bb29-e8a4082a8f6c_large.jpg
[16:15] <hopej> Am I right in thinking I need 3 aerials ideally? A colinear for the base station. Whip for chase car and Yagi for directional
[16:15] <fsphil> the male Reverse SMA will fit onto a normal female SMA socket, but won't actually make a connection
[16:15] <fsphil> that's caught a few people out
[16:16] <fsphil> the more receivers the better yeah
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[16:16] <fsphil> I like to have a colinear base station, with good internet access
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[16:16] <fsphil> it's good for images. but ultimatly the most important station will be the one closest to the landing
[16:16] <fsphil> which ideally is your chase car
[16:17] <hopej> Cool. My chase car will have a LoRa gateway at 434MHz. Possibility to connect in a Yagi if it gets lost I guess.
[16:18] <fsphil> the yagi can help if you can hear the signal, but it's not quite strong enough to decode
[16:18] <fsphil> it could also give you clues to the direction of the payload
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[16:19] <hopej> https://goo.gl/9ywtCh
[16:19] <hopej> does this look better?
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[16:20] <hopej> although poor reviews
[16:21] <fsphil> I'd normally stick to the better brands, diamond or watson
[16:21] <fsphil> a little more expensive but you know they'll at least work
[16:22] <hopej> ok I think I will move off ebay and look at a better store. hard to sift though the crap!
[16:24] <fsphil> that cpc one is pretty good, but I don't know what the P+P would be like for just one
[16:24] <fsphil> or there's http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WATSON-WSM-270-2m-70cm-Magnetic-Mobile-Whip/182251821523?hash=item2a6f0e19d3:g:MJgAAOSwgZ1XugyB
[16:25] <hopej> ahh perfect!
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[16:25] <hopej> thanks
[16:26] <hopej> with the Yagi - is it ok to make my own?
[16:26] <fsphil> sure, just test it before
[16:26] <fsphil> hopefully you won't need it
[16:26] <hopej> hopefully not!
[16:27] <hopej> Ok - just to source a collinear for the base station now.
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[16:30] <hopej> https://goo.gl/vsfSev this looks good - though not a connector I recognise. Would need an adapter to SMA
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[16:31] <fsphil> yep that's a pretty good model
[16:32] <fsphil> where do you plan to install it? roof?
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[16:33] <hopej> yeah
[16:33] <hopej> I work in a school. So roof of the tallest building
[16:39] <fsphil> just a temporary installation?
[16:40] <hopej> probably yes
[16:42] <fsphil> you'd probably use a cable with an N connector on either side
[16:42] <fsphil> N into the antenna, shortest run possible to where the receiver is
[16:42] <fsphil> then an N > whatever connector the radio uses
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[16:45] <hopej> would that be different for a permanent setup
[16:45] <hopej> ?
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[16:47] <fsphil> I was imagining a temporary setup with the colinear on a tripod, and the radio just connected directly to the base of the antenna with an N > sma adaptor
[16:47] <fsphil> wouldn't really be practical or weather proof :)
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[16:52] <hopej> Yes - that is what I was imagining. Taking it down once we got back
[16:59] <hopej> Thank you very much. You have been a great help!
[17:02] <fsphil> feel free to drop in again. there's always usually someone about
[17:07] <hopej> sounds like a helpful community! Seems I am in good hands!
[17:08] <hopej> One last question. If I decide to fly a LoRa tracker with a 868MHz chip would I need a new set of aerials?
[17:10] <fsphil> sadly yes :)
[17:10] <fsphil> personally I wouldn't use 868mhz unless you need a higher data rate
[17:11] <hopej> ok fair play
[17:11] <fsphil> 434mhz is right inside one of the amateur radio bands, so good off-the-shelf stuff is quite common
[17:12] <hopej> 434 will be ok for images i guess?
[17:12] <hopej> just not streaming video or anything like that.
[17:13] <fsphil> oh yes, I don't remember the exact rates you'd get but you'd certainly get fairly decent sized images
[17:14] <fsphil> originally images where transmitted at 300 bit/s
[17:14] <daveake> It's about equivalent to 1400 baud RTTY IIRC
[17:14] <daveake> (Fastest we can do with LoRa on 434)
[17:14] <fsphil> that's good enough for a pretty good image every ~4 minutes
[17:14] <daveake> yup
[17:14] <hopej> Perfect
[17:15] <hopej> and store more regular stills/video on the paylode for recovery later
[17:15] <hopej> *ayload
[17:15] <fsphil> yeah. the live images are a nice bonus, but you really want the originals
[17:15] <daveake> Higher data rates 868 is a pain - less range, and more missing packets, so you really need an uplink to force re-sends of missing packets
[17:15] <fsphil> right, home time for me. bbl
[17:15] <hopej> Thanks for all the help
[17:16] <hopej> I fuigured it might be an issue, but wanted to check. I saw your uploading for packet resends tutorial.
[17:16] <hopej> I will get my students to implement that if they get the time.
[17:16] <daveake> hmm, don't bother. It's a lot more work
[17:17] <daveake> On 434 you'll get very few missing packets once it's high enough for other listeners to kick in
[17:17] <hopej> ahh ok
[17:21] <hopej> I am excited about the project - sorry for so many questions. Think I have enough info now to build a simple tracker and receiver and test they work
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[22:14] <Bob_ZL1RS> David-SM1ULC - here?
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[22:32] <Mike-SA6BSS> Bob_ZL1RS:he´s probably asleep, I pingd him so if hes awake he gets here
[22:33] <Bob_ZL1RS> Thanks Mikael
[22:33] <Bob_ZL1RS> thought it might be a bit late
[22:34] <Mike-SA6BSS> he usuly get up around 5,30 iirc and its 11,30 here now
[22:34] <Bob_ZL1RS> BB03 went down over night ... looking at BB04 in 2 days time
[22:35] <Bob_ZL1RS> rr, tnx
[22:35] <Mike-SA6BSS> yeah, been folowing BB0
[22:35] <Mike-SA6BSS> 3
[22:35] <Mike-SA6BSS> yeah, looks like it went down
[22:35] <Mike-SA6BSS> do you wawnt him to as BB04 to the script?
[22:36] <Bob_ZL1RS> yes, that was what I was going to ask him
[22:36] <Mike-SA6BSS> if so he will most likley see this in the mornig and get BB04 aded
[22:37] <Mike-SA6BSS> I´l make sure he gets notified :)
[22:37] <Bob_ZL1RS> BB04 will be your V2 board with four small cells ... 5.4 grams + antenna
[22:37] <Bob_ZL1RS> tnx
[22:37] <Mike-SA6BSS> got my new pcb today V6
[22:37] <Bob_ZL1RS> hihi
[22:37] <Bob_ZL1RS> roll on your summer ...
[22:37] <Mike-SA6BSS> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3jfhwzm42w5jhmh/IMG_20180109_185619.jpg?dl=0
[22:38] <Mike-SA6BSS> better be prepared !! :)
[22:38] <Mike-SA6BSS> its a qrp labs one, just a tad smaller and a new PS
[22:39] <Mike-SA6BSS> the other pcb is a om3bc aprs / rtty tracker
[22:39] <Bob_ZL1RS> OK, now I understand
[22:40] <Bob_ZL1RS> I assume your V6 board is the upper-most one in the pic
[22:40] <Mike-SA6BSS> got a good deal, 2$ incl postage, got 11 x 2 =22 pcb
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[22:41] <Mike-SA6BSS> yes
[22:42] <Mike-SA6BSS> good luck on BB04 flight!!
[22:42] <Bob_ZL1RS> tnx, I go back to one balloon ... less risk
[22:42] <Mike-SA6BSS> yeap, 2 balloons - double the risk of failure
[22:44] <Mike-SA6BSS> heading for bed, l8er!
[22:45] <Bob_ZL1RS> 73
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[23:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5MASR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5MASR
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[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4416050 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4416050
[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M1733188 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M1733188
[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M4613107 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M4613107
[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CBAYSONDE after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CBAYSONDE
[23:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1650346 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1650346
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[23:35] <fsphil> Darkside: multiple stations tracking one sonde is working nicely :)
[23:36] <Darkside> cool :-)
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[23:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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