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[06:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[08:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[09:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DFM6 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DFM6
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[09:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DFM6205 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DFM6205
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[10:21] <buzz53> Having wasted much of my weekend, I've concluded the dl-fldigi doesn't work at 7,n,1 format. Has anybody else found that?
[10:22] <buzz53> I assumed it was my new transmitter but finally rigged up a stock PITS modified for 7,n,1 and it fails too. Decodes for a while then looses sync.
[10:23] <fsphil> it won't do images but text telemetry should be fine
[10:23] <buzz53> This is using dl-fldigi 3.21.50. BTW where can I get 3.23.12, used to have it but can't find it again!
[10:24] <buzz53> Hi Phil, well it doesn't seem to! I'll try one more time on another PC right now.
[10:27] <fsphil> I saw problems with 1 stop bit at 300 baud, but it would only cause a short glitch every so often
[10:28] <fsphil> caused by the 300 not dividing into the 8000hz sample rate fldigi uses
[10:32] <daveake> I've not seen an issue
[10:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DM4JH_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DM4JH_chase
[10:36] <daveake> "Leading HAB project" o'rly? https://twitter.com/Tim_O_Brien/status/935093103714762754
[10:37] <daveake> n/m misread that :)
[10:39] <fsphil> hah
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[10:39] <fsphil> that's a good photo
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[10:41] <daveake> It is; nice and clear.
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[11:09] <G0pai_Ian> TBH from a comms standpoint I would favour 7n2 over 7n1 any day. There was a reason why standard Baudot used a 1.5 element stop rather than 1 as a standard.
[11:11] <G0pai_Ian> Reception isn't mechanical any more, but in the case of a garble you do need some room to recover and 1 bit isn't likely to cut the mustard; at all.
[11:12] <daveake> Yup. PUTS uses 7N1 for 50 baud and 8N2 for 300. I believe dl-fldigi ignores the stop-bit setting anyway, but having 2 does help it.
[11:12] <daveake> PITS
[11:12] <daveake> grr 7N2. Bad typo day.
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YMMLSONDE after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YMMLSONDE
[11:18] <G0pai_Ian> Not so much the tty receiver ignoring the stop bit, but being ready to go again immediately after reception of the 7th data bit. The stop bit is a courtesy from the transmitting device that on a good day isn't really required between the perfect rtty tx/rx pair, but life ain't fair at all :)
[11:20] <buzz53> OK, tried my lappy and 7,n,1 deffo fails on 3.21.50. turns out I still have 3.23.12 on there and that is OK
[11:21] <buzz53> Agree in practive 2 bits is better, I have been off on a bit of a tangent worrying there was a problem with my gadget.
[11:22] <G0pai_Ian> It's occasionally like tripping on the edge of a paving slab; you just hope that there is a bit of room to recover your balance in - or grass rather than the pavement to soften the inevitable blow.
[11:22] <G0pai_Ian> I'm sure that your gadget is working juuuust fine.
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[11:23] <Mike-SA6BSS> buzz53:
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M1623457 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M1623457
[11:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03x126kna_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=x126kna_chase
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RS402700 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RS402700
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[12:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-1
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[12:15] <pb0ahx> !flights
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: There are no flights currently :(
[12:17] <daveake> as if
[12:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-2
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[12:35] <jordan_> GA guys, I wondered if you have any place to submit suggestions for habhub?
[12:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DFM6194 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DFM6194
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[12:54] <craag> jordan_: Mainly just here, or you can put a pull request directly on https://github.com/ukhas
[12:56] <jordan_> okay craag, well my suggestion is to add a "7 days" option when your viewing previous flights on the tracker.
[12:57] <daveake> That's the tracker then - separate repository
[12:57] <jordan_> seperate suggestion request elsewhere?
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[13:02] <daveake> ok me wrong -
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[13:03] <daveake> https://github.com/ukhas/habitat-mobile-tracker
[13:04] <daveake> And someone else already requested the 7-day option :)
[13:05] <daveake> I wonder where I posted my feature-request then :p
[13:05] <lz1dev> there reason why there are so few options is that on phones the menu becomes too long and goes off screen
[13:10] <daveake> Afternoon :)
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[13:11] <daveake> I /thought? I put this in a few months back, but I can't find it ... I'd like to use that "X marks the spot" feature for more than one payload ID.
[13:11] <daveake> I've added the request now
[13:12] <lz1dev> PRs welcome :)
[13:12] <daveake> Done :)
[13:12] <daveake> Once somewhere random :/
[13:12] <daveake> Ah sorry, yeah point taken ... one day :)
[13:13] <daveake> When I finally get round to doing my homing flights, I may well have 2 payloads each trying to go to the same spot
[13:13] <daveake> Or one guided, one not guided
[13:13] <lz1dev> i feel elasticsearch would be an ideal database for habhub
[13:14] <lz1dev> https://github.com/rossengeorgiev/habitat-mobile-tracker/blob/master/js/tracker.js#L1544
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[13:15] <lz1dev> if we turn that into a prefix
[13:15] <lz1dev> then you can have however many you want
[13:22] <daveake> Yup, exactly what I was thinking
[13:23] <daveake> Sometimes I include dthe landing position in the main telemetry, but I have a simple Python script to extract that and generate and upload a fake payload string, so that still works.
[13:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03auf9771_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=auf9771_chase
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[13:46] <Reb-SM0ULC> lz1dev: ES is nice. only thing I ahve against it is that it is in java that need separate mem-settings.
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[14:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS-3
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[15:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DFM06 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DFM06
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[16:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ZL1RS after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZL1RS
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[16:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5IFR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5IFR
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[18:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Tshepo_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Tshepo_chase
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[20:21] <ASDFoster> Hey there
[20:22] <ASDFoster> from my understanding of https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide , the radio transmitter on RTTY is just sending out something like the time and a beacon, and from there heading and distance can be calculated?
[20:22] <ASDFoster> Looking through that documentation, I can't seem to find exactly what is being sent over the radio, and I'm curious
[20:23] <nick_> The tracker gets time, position and velocity from the GPS
[20:23] <ASDFoster> So the transmitter is also communicating with satellites for position and velocity?
[20:24] <ASDFoster> Or is the tracker calculating those from the signal sent from the transmitter
[20:24] <ASDFoster> Using a beacon system or something
[20:24] <nick_> Yeah, position is the main thing you get from GPS, that's what the P is for.
[20:25] <mfa298> ASDFoster: most trackers contain a GPS module (you need to choose one carefully - not all will work) and send their location back as part of the data
[20:25] <ASDFoster> Ok, so we will need a GPS as well as a radio transmitter
[20:26] <mfa298> the ublox modules are popular as they can be put in a mode that allows them to work up to 50km altitude.
[20:26] <ASDFoster> thanks for the tip
[20:27] <ASDFoster> I've used a SPOT gps before, but it was unreliable, so I'm looking into this as an alternative
[20:27] <mfa298> the radio transmission to use will potentially also depend on where you are in the world, rtty is common in the UK as we have to use license free radios - Other places might allow Amateur Radio when airborne which can allow the use of APRS instead of rtty
[20:28] <ASDFoster> I also have a 4m dish that I can use for tracking, so I was originally looking for a radio-only tracking system, but this looks a bit more robust to have both as a backup
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[20:32] <ASDFoster> Thanks for the info, I'll poke back in if I have any other questions, and especially once I secure funding and get to business
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[22:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK0LG - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0LG
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[23:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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