highaltitude.log.20171107

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[01:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YERRA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YERRA
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[02:51] <Darkside> labjg: a receiver on top of parliament house?
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[02:59] <VE6AZX> Quick question for anyone on and interested - how high up would a GSM module (e.g. SIM800L) work?
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[03:15] <VE6AZX> I was thinking of trying to upload to APRS-IS using a SIM900 or SIM800
[03:15] <VE6AZX> maybe to push some images over?
[03:15] <VE6AZX> cell use at high alt is legal in Canada (where I am), and we don't have a LoRa ground station infrastructure (yet)
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[03:48] <labjg> Darkside ssshhhh
[03:48] <labjg> great place for an antenna ;)
[03:49] <labjg> actually just testing a LoRa gateway - final location TBD so put in some 'test' coordinates
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[03:56] <Darkside> haha
[03:56] <Darkside> ok
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[04:34] <VE6AZX> Wish there were some LoRa gateways in Canada
[04:35] <VE6AZX> I'm thinking of trying GPRS / GSM instead...
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[07:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Ch 0734175995 _chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Ch%200734175995%20_chase
[07:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[07:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03greg_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=greg_chase
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[08:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[10:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS5 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS5
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[10:56] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:56] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: There are no flights currently :(
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[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[11:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[12:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EPSOM - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EPSOM
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[13:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N1YIP-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1YIP-11
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[14:05] <LazyLeopard> from
[14:05] <LazyLeopard> oops
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KC1EAI after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC1EAI
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[15:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-10 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-10
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[16:15] <VE6AZX> woot it's back
[16:15] <VE6AZX> he has to be using WSPR for U3B-10 right?
[16:15] <VE6AZX> 'cause it's working over the atlantic
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[16:19] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping?
[16:30] <VE6AZX> ?
[16:39] <mfa298> cm13g09: pong (pm ?)
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[16:47] <cm13g09> mfa298: yeah
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[16:48] <Reb-SM0ULC> VE6AZX: hello
[16:49] <Reb-SM0ULC> yes, it's wspr
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[16:49] <VE6AZX> hi
[16:49] <VE6AZX> quick question
[16:49] <VE6AZX> how do you do WSPR -> habhub?
[16:49] <VE6AZX> does habitat scrape wspr automatically?
[16:50] <Reb-SM0ULC> webscraper for wsprnet => habhub/aprs
[16:50] <VE6AZX> or do you have your own scraper running?
[16:50] <Reb-SM0ULC> i run my own
[16:50] <VE6AZX> I think I have to do the same thing
[16:50] <VE6AZX> I'd like to try to follow your work
[16:50] <VE6AZX> wish WSPR would publish an API
[16:50] <VE6AZX> but it doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon.
[16:51] <VE6AZX> one more question if you have a second -
[16:51] <VE6AZX> SI5351 for the transmitter?
[16:51] <Reb-SM0ULC> my work is a stichy thing with bash/perl/python+sqlite, going to do a clean python
[16:51] <Reb-SM0ULC> but if you juse the same protocol i can easily relay data for you
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[16:52] <VE6AZX> (thanks for the reply) I was waiting for someone who did this to come on here haha
[16:53] <Reb-SM0ULC> i just add antother row like this: ./balloon.sh VE3OCL 3 VE3OCL-11 U3B-10;
[16:53] <Reb-SM0ULC> :)
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[16:53] <VE6AZX> one other question if it's ok
[16:53] <Reb-SM0ULC> no problem
[16:53] <VE6AZX> you're using solar and a battery. How do you manage charging the battery? i.e. when the battery is low, does your microcontroller know not to boot up?
[16:54] <VE6AZX> I keep getting stuck in boot up -> current draw too high -> reset loops
[16:55] <Reb-SM0ULC> sri, i just wrote the "gateway" stuff :)
[16:55] <VE6AZX> oh ok I understand.
[16:55] <VE6AZX> thanks for the help!
[16:56] <Reb-SM0ULC> Mike-SA6BSS is one guy to ask
[16:56] <VE6AZX> understood, thanks
[16:56] <Reb-SM0ULC> i'll ping him
[16:57] <Reb-SM0ULC> btw, get a real irc-client
[16:57] <VE6AZX> ... yes.
[16:57] <VE6AZX> I use irssi normally
[16:57] <Reb-SM0ULC> like kvirc, mirc etc
[16:58] <Reb-SM0ULC> VE6AZX: he sais he will check in a bit later when he comes home, maybe +1h or something
[16:58] <VE6AZX> thanks!
[16:59] <VE6AZX> I'll be around then.
[16:59] <VE6AZX> 73 and have a good one
[17:01] <Reb-SM0ULC> no problem
[17:02] <Reb-SM0ULC> VE6AZX: seen? http://picospace.net/
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[18:18] <VE6AZX> Anyone have any tips on how to manage power on a pico balloon? Charging a battery is fine when the voltage is exactly 4.2 or so but that's hard to do with solar
[18:18] <VE6AZX> adding a lipo charging circuit is kind of complicated
[18:20] <Mike-SA6BSS> hi
[18:21] <VE6AZX> oh - hello =)
[18:21] <VE6AZX> how's your day going?
[18:22] <Mike-SA6BSS> hion the last flights i have just skiped converters abd feeding 6 of the smallest solar cells directly to the circuit
[18:22] <Mike-SA6BSS> on a phone via TeamViewer, its fine
[18:23] <Mike-SA6BSS> finegiving the kids a bath
[18:23] <Reb-SM0ULC> The on-line-parenting :)
[18:23] <Mike-SA6BSS> never flewn any batterys as they weigh to much
[18:23] Action: Reb-SM0ULC moving kids to bed
[18:23] <VE6AZX> If you have a quick second for a few pico ballooning questions, I'd much appreciate your input.
[18:24] <Mike-SA6BSS> il try
[18:24] <VE6AZX> so you don't really use batteries - no lipo's, you're running straight off solar cells?
[18:24] <Mike-SA6BSS> yes
[18:25] <Mike-SA6BSS> 6 in series gives 3.45v
[18:25] <VE6AZX> how do you handle voltage regulation? I've had problems with my microcontroller / arduino's "greying out" when it gets dim or just at sunrise light levels
[18:25] <VE6AZX> can put them in weird states
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[18:25] <Mike-SA6BSS> i set brownout fuses to 2.7v
[18:27] <Mike-SA6BSS> no vomtage regulation, solarcelks are qusourcepowerssolarcepoe, no boost ripple to filter out
[18:28] <Mike-SA6BSS> lets see if i have itc clirnt on the phone....
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[18:30] <VE6AZX> ah, I understand
[18:31] <VE6AZX> brownout fuse - is that a discrete part or built in to the microcontrolleR?
[18:32] <Mikael-sa6bsd> Its set during the flash process in atlega328, which is the one i ben using
[18:32] <VE6AZX> got it
[18:32] <Mikael-sa6bsd> Its in the program if you use pic
[18:33] <VE6AZX> I had thought about this kind of approach, but what bothered me was that solar was more of a current source than a voltage source
[18:33] <VE6AZX> but if it works for you then that's good enough for me
[18:33] <VE6AZX> this battery business is killing me
[18:33] <VE6AZX> need to avoid it
[18:33] <Mikael-sa6bsd> I have ordered some 3.3v super caps
[18:34] <Mikael-sa6bsd> I will experimented with them as soon as i get them
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[18:34] <VE6AZX> you're running WSPR, right? Any reason to use JT65 or FSQ?
[18:34] <VE6AZX> I know reverse beacon network skims the callsigns, but I don't know if anyone is skimming actual packet content
[18:35] <Mikael-sa6bsd> Yes wspr and usuly one 1min tx of jt9 with altitude evry 10min
[18:35] <Mikael-sa6bsd> But wspr is the best
[18:35] <VE6AZX> WSPR is best because the payload is skimmed, or is there another reason?
[18:36] <VE6AZX> with JT9 you've got to wait until someone intentionally tunes in and manually tells you they heard it, yes?
[18:36] <Mikael-sa6bsd> Reversy beacon net dont show much if any packets from jt65 or jt9.
[18:37] <Mikael-sa6bsd> It been done quite a bit, look at dva ve3kcl flights
[18:37] <Mikael-sa6bsd> Thats Dave ve3kcl
[18:38] <Mikael-sa6bsd> Jt9 you have to grab yourself or if someone tells you,
[18:38] <VE6AZX> right.
[18:39] <VE6AZX> so THAT must be the main reason we use WSPR
[18:39] <VE6AZX> One other question
[18:39] <VE6AZX> GSM / GPRS 2G cell modem like the SIM800L is hopeless at moderate altitudes, right?
[18:39] <VE6AZX> I was hoping to use one to bring down pictures
[18:40] <Mikael-sa6bsd> Thats what i heard, over 2km it loses coverage
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[18:42] <Mikael-sa6bsd> Have to get the kids out of the bath...
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[18:47] <VE6AZX> No worries I know you're busy. Thanks for your time answering my questions
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[18:51] <Reb-SM0ULC> VE6AZX: wspr is kind of limited, only 20 channels but it exist and moderately used
[18:51] <VE6AZX> That's what I've kind of noticed
[18:51] <VE6AZX> I wish FSQ or JT9 or similar had a skimming system like WSPR does
[18:52] <VE6AZX> and that WSPR had an API to pull data
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[18:52] <VE6AZX> but I guess a WSPR page scraper that forwards to APRS.FI or similar is where it's at right now.
[18:53] <Reb-SM0ULC> yepp
[18:55] <Reb-SM0ULC> VE6AZX: pics from a floater?
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[18:55] <Reb-SM0ULC> DL7AD has done that with APRS
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[18:58] <Reb-SM0ULC> seen ?
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[18:59] <Reb-SM0ULC> https://ssdv.habhub.org/
[18:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2EAT-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-11
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[19:33] <VE6AZX> Yeah pics from a floater would be cool
[19:33] <VE6AZX> but I think without either a LoRa infrastructure (we don't have it in canada) or GSM / GPRS from up there it's impossible
[19:34] <VE6AZX> Looks like truly, my only options for a canada-launched floater are APRS or WSPR
[19:35] <VE6AZX> and frankly, APRS is kind of hard. I've been using DRA818V's and they take a stupid amount of power
[19:35] <VE6AZX> puts me in the position of having to use batteries or supercaps
[19:35] <VE6AZX> = hard
[19:35] <VE6AZX> SI5351 is cool but needs a hack to do AFSK for APRS
[19:35] <VE6AZX> I was truly hoping to avoid that.
[19:36] <VE6AZX> but if GSM only works to 2km altitude or so I'm hooped
[19:36] <Reb-SM0ULC> your qth?
[19:36] <VE6AZX> Calgary, Canada
[19:37] <Reb-SM0ULC> ah
[19:37] <VE6AZX> man I wish there was a way to get a cell module to work up there
[19:37] <VE6AZX> so much data available
[19:39] <Reb-SM0ULC> well, i wouldnät be to sure
[19:39] <Reb-SM0ULC> the fqs are shared on the ground and in the air.... a mess...
[19:39] <VE6AZX> in what sense?
[19:40] <Reb-SM0ULC> at 10 km your range is about 300+ km... imagine how many cells you see that use tha same fq...
[19:42] <Reb-SM0ULC> do some short flights
[19:46] <VE6AZX> with gsm?
[19:46] <VE6AZX> do you think there's a half of a chance it could work?
[19:47] <Reb-SM0ULC> no, with rtty/lora/aprs etc and test
[19:48] <VE6AZX> hmm ok
[19:48] <VE6AZX> yeah, lora is not an option here but rtty and aprs are.
[19:48] <Reb-SM0ULC> right
[19:48] <VE6AZX> I'm inclined to try to keep it as simple as I can and just use WSPR
[19:48] <Reb-SM0ULC> lora is forbidden?
[19:48] <VE6AZX> no it's just that we don't have any ground infrastructure
[19:48] <VE6AZX> nobody is running gates to the internet
[19:49] <Reb-SM0ULC> aaah, dave used his own stuff
[19:49] <VE6AZX> but only out to about 300 km, right?
[19:49] <VE6AZX> after you leave range of your ground station that's it
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[19:50] <Reb-SM0ULC> partly, you can chase it..
[19:50] <VE6AZX> right
[19:51] <Reb-SM0ULC> only some infra in europe also
[19:51] <VE6AZX> for a floater I guess it's really WSPR and APRS for me if I want the long range, distributed infrastructure I think
[19:51] <VE6AZX> man I'd love to get 100's of LoRA and build a grid around this country
[19:51] <VE6AZX> so expensive though
[19:51] <Reb-SM0ULC> :)
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[19:52] <VE6AZX> ok ok
[19:52] <VE6AZX> that basically answers all my questions
[19:52] <VE6AZX> thank you!
[19:54] <VE6AZX> .... or some enterprising person needs to put LoRa on a LEO satellite.
[19:54] <VE6AZX> for us to use
[19:55] <Reb-SM0ULC> )
[19:56] <Reb-SM0ULC> or loon-lte :)
[19:56] <VE6AZX> haha yes
[19:56] <VE6AZX> man if I could make a mini version of that
[19:57] <VE6AZX> I wasactually thinking it would be cool to put a LoRA hub or repeater or something up on a pico balloon
[19:57] <VE6AZX> and spam the planet with them
[19:57] <Mike-SA6BSS> there have been iss aprs flights
[19:58] <Mike-SA6BSS> sendong both on local aprs and iss uplink
[19:58] <VE6AZX> ah yes
[19:58] <VE6AZX> alas the iss uplink is broken now I think
[19:58] <Mike-SA6BSS> ther have also been sat picos upload ing to sats , dont get the name right now...
[19:59] <VE6AZX> really
[19:59] <VE6AZX> iridium?
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[19:59] <VE6AZX> $$$ for a pico I think...
[19:59] <Mike-SA6BSS> yeah I think iss aprs is dpown
[19:59] <Mike-SA6BSS> YES iridium
[19:59] <VE6AZX> The modem for that is like 200 usd haha
[19:59] <VE6AZX> I mean it's cool
[19:59] <VE6AZX> but yikes
[19:59] <Mike-SA6BSS> its quite expansive and you have to have a subscription
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[19:59] <Mike-SA6BSS> mhmm
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[20:01] <VE6AZX> well thanks for the help guys. It was nice talking with you. I've gotta get back to work now haha.
[20:01] <bertrik> I know the people at ESA have been looking at using LoRa on a satellite
[20:02] <bertrik> like simulating the effect of doppler
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[20:04] <PE2BZ> Daveake Good evening, if you have some time , in the Lora Gateway, the message ¨Unknown Packet 112¨ (3Ch) does that tell something about the Lora settings between rx and tx, or does that tell that the data format being sent is different from what the gateway expects ? I am experimenting with an RFM tracker but need a little hint which side I have to check.
[20:04] <PE2BZ> I am afk till tomorrow morning, so no hurry :-)
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[20:13] <daveake> It means the first byte of the packet isn't a "$" for telemetry, or a marker for any of the other supported packet types (SSDV etc)
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[20:38] <fsphil> slim chance of some aurora atm
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[23:59] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[23:59] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Atlantic Ocean 10(36.48107,-13.03785) at 0312999 meters about 037 hours ago
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