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[05:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03OK7DMT-8 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OK7DMT-8
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[05:27] <PE2BZ> En de Beaglebone Black ? Die ligt hier nog....
[05:27] <PE2BZ> wrong group...
[05:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS12 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS12
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[06:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YERRA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YERRA
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[07:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F6AGV - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F6AGV
[07:26] <Darkside> DL7AD1: my images are bigger than yours :P
[07:26] <DL7AD1> lol
[07:26] <DL7AD1> what is your modulation?
[07:27] <Darkside> custom tx/rx chain
[07:27] <Darkside> https://github.com/projecthorus/wenet
[07:27] <DL7AD1> I could do bigger images but those would get unreasonable big
[07:27] <Darkside> its 115kbps FSK
[07:27] <DL7AD1> ah
[07:27] <Darkside> RX is with a RTLSDR
[07:27] <DL7AD1> i could do 115k2 FSK too
[07:27] <Darkside> transmitter is a RFM98W, running in direct-asynchronous mode
[07:27] <Darkside> using the rpi UART to drive it
[07:27] <DL7AD1> ah cool
[07:28] <Darkside> fsphil is working on a way to do it via the SPI bus
[07:28] <Darkside> but fow now UART works (with the RS232 framing overhead)
[07:28] <Darkside> we've been flying this for about a year now, with good success
[07:28] <DL7AD1> very cool
[07:28] <DL7AD1> i like the speed
[07:28] <DL7AD1> I use APRS/SSDV
[07:28] <Darkside> well the speed you see is a bit artificial
[07:28] <DL7AD1> 9k6 with APRS protocol around it (9600 baud)
[07:29] <Darkside> as i receive the image, then dump the entire image into ssdv.habhub.org in one go
[07:29] <DL7AD1> :D
[07:29] <DL7AD1> makes sense
[07:29] <Darkside> its really about 30 seconds per image
[07:29] <DL7AD1> i do it in 10 packet chunks
[07:29] <Darkside> oh, yes, i pass packets to the API in chunks
[07:29] <Darkside> but i only do that once i have a 'complete' image
[07:30] <Darkside> (or at least, i see a new image, so i know i have as much of the old one as i'm going to get)
[07:30] <DL7AD1> makes sense
[07:30] <fsphil> I've wasted a lot of time trying to fix power levels on that RFM
[07:30] <Darkside> dont bother
[07:30] <Darkside> set it to max :P
[07:30] <fsphil> yeah
[07:31] <fsphil> at max it's close enough to 10mw
[07:31] <Darkside> wait what
[07:31] <fsphil> though it should be 100 :)
[07:31] <Darkside> wtf
[07:31] <Darkside> i set mine to 50mw and get maybe 40mw
[07:31] <fsphil> the second one I tried is even worse
[07:31] <Darkside> are you sure you areny missing some PA flag bit?
[07:32] <fsphil> yeah tried that. switching the PA output on and off goes from bad output, to virtually no output
[07:33] <fsphil> I may be measuring it wrong too
[07:33] <fsphil> but it always seemed very weak even before
[07:33] <DL7AD1> Darkside: good morning down there
[07:33] <Darkside> :P
[07:33] <Darkside> its evening
[07:33] <Darkside> 6pm
[07:33] <DL7AD1> *irony off*
[07:33] Nick change: DL7AD1 -> DL7AD
[07:34] <Darkside> :P
[07:34] <Darkside> well there's me SSDV selfie done
[07:34] <DL7AD> So you do basically just 2FSK/RTTY but way faster?
[07:34] <Darkside> yeah, but theres also LDPC FEC applied
[07:34] <Darkside> we throw away the framing bits entirely in the demodulator
[07:34] <DL7AD> instead of the generic FEC?
[07:35] <Darkside> well im not using any of the RFM98W's packetisation
[07:35] <Darkside> nor SSDV's FEC
[07:35] <Darkside> since its not that useful given i'm doing my own packet FEC anyway
[07:37] <Darkside> some info on the packet format here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12230J1X3r2-IcLVLkeaVmIXqFeo3uheurFakElIaPVo/edit?usp=sharing
[07:39] <fsphil> there are probably better header codes for syncing :p
[07:40] <Darkside> yeah yeah
[07:40] <Darkside> theres manyt hings that coudl be improved here :P
[07:40] <fsphil> the LDPC codes seemed to work well though
[07:40] <Darkside> so we used the wenet codebase as the basis for a big uni/masters project thing in jan this year
[07:40] <Darkside> which fsphil came along for :P
[07:41] <fsphil> so hot
[07:41] <Darkside> ended up writing a bunch of documentation for the students: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Aft7qmUhLXzBhXYNovVVR0ImDZXILqpyDPeFROZjiSQ/edit?usp=sharing
[07:41] <Darkside> the software section of that document is a reasonable guide of how to use the wenet TX code
[07:41] <Darkside> but tbh you just run init_rfm98w.py and then tx_picam_gps.py and away it goes
[07:42] <DL7AD> so you transmit more than 256byte?
[07:45] <Darkside> yes
[07:45] <Darkside> the payload is 256 bytes
[07:45] <Darkside> there's framing + CRC + FEC around that
[07:45] <Darkside> and its not just SSDV packets i'm sending, hence having my own checksum and not using the SSDV packet checksum
[07:46] <DL7AD> ah okay
[07:47] <DL7AD> do you use SSDV packet type 67 or 66?
[07:47] <Darkside> erm
[07:47] <Darkside> whichever one doesnt have internal FEC
[07:47] Action: fsphil had to look that up
[07:47] <DL7AD> that's what i wanted to know
[07:47] <DL7AD> i also use nonFEC
[07:49] <Darkside> we were goign to add interleaving
[07:49] <Darkside> but...
[07:49] <Darkside> we'd have to interleave over multiple packets for it to be useful
[07:50] <Darkside> the 'typical' (hah) fading period is far far longer than the length of a transmitted packet
[07:50] <Darkside> so I ended up just putting more effort into the receive systems, and getting more ground stations going to RX it, so we had RX diversity
[07:50] <Darkside> fsphil: something you might be able to help with - getting the RX running on a rpi3
[07:51] <fsphil> have you tried it yet?
[07:51] <Darkside> overflows
[07:51] <Darkside> havent spent much time figuring out what needs optimising
[07:51] <fsphil> hmm yeah just remembered my laptop was pretty busy
[07:51] <Darkside> a replacement of the python packet parser woudn't go astray either, something basic which just uploads the SSDV packets it sees
[07:52] <fsphil> I'd like to combine some of the receiver code stuff
[07:52] <Darkside> the drs232_ldpc code just spits out CRC-ok packets anyway, so i suspect that wouldnt be too hard to do
[07:52] <Darkside> that too
[07:52] <fsphil> just have the one window
[07:52] <Darkside> well the idea on the pi is i want it to be headless
[07:53] <Darkside> i want to be able to drop a pi + RTLSDR + preamp + antenna somewhere and have it be an autonomous ground station
[07:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[07:58] <daveake> "fsphil is working on a way to do it via the SPI bus" .. perhaps look at the way pigpio fakes UARTs by using DMA and PWM/PCM to do the timing
[07:58] <Darkside> well the idea of doing with teh SPI bus is to keep filling up the transmit FIFO
[07:59] <daveake> Sure, but maybe that way you can put the FIFO in memory
[07:59] <Darkside> removing all transmit timing jitter is incredibly important
[07:59] <daveake> for 1 packet
[08:00] <daveake> Sure. I don't know if it does it per byte or not, but if you can put the 256-byte packet in there and have the h/w sort it out, that should work
[08:00] <Darkside> well its more like 350 bytes, but yeah, it might be possible
[08:00] <daveake> ok
[08:00] <Darkside> i did briefly look at how that system worked ages ago
[08:01] <Darkside> i kind of like the idea of letting the RFM98W handle the symbol timing tho
[08:01] <daveake> I've never looked into how it does work so I don't know
[08:01] <daveake> btw after the previous discussion of rfm power levels, I've ordered a power meter and prog attenuator
[08:02] <daveake> The latter so I can compare lora modes
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[08:05] <fsphil> which power meter did you go for?
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[08:06] <fsphil> what I can probably use most now is some kind of reference signal generator
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[08:08] <daveake> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182265221374
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[08:09] <DL7AD> Darkside: what is exactly the reason why you dont use the SSDV FEC?
[08:09] <fsphil> oh cute
[08:09] <daveake> Based on http://www.analog.com/en/products/rf-microwave/rf-power-detectors/non-rms-responding-detector/ad8318.html
[08:11] <fsphil> will be interesting to see what it says, especially with the 869mhz modules
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[08:16] <Darkside> DL7AD: well i'm wrapping my own framing around it anyway
[08:16] <Darkside> and the SSDV FEC is fairly basic
[08:16] <daveake> I shall let you when it at arrives. After 5-6 weeks :/
[08:17] <DL7AD> you think so?
[08:17] <Darkside> RS encoding
[08:17] <Darkside> i did discuss this with fsphil when we made the decision
[08:17] <Darkside> given i'm only allowing CRC-passing packets through to the next stage of decoding, the FEC isnt needed
[08:18] <Darkside> and i wanted the system to be payload-agnostic
[08:18] <DL7AD> yes sure
[08:18] <DL7AD> but it would have been cool if SSDV would not have been affected
[08:18] <fsphil> it isn't
[08:18] <Darkside> you just turn off FEC
[08:18] <Darkside> and make use of the extra 32 bytes
[08:19] <DL7AD> well i cannot receive it with my super 256khz-ssb receiver ;)
[08:19] <fsphil> it's only dl-fldigi that dosn't recognise the non-fec packets
[08:19] <Darkside> hmm
[08:20] <DL7AD> ah got it
[08:21] <fsphil> a 224 byte packet can also work (FEC mode, but without the last 32 bytes. as long as the CRC is fine)
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[08:40] <AndyEsser> anyone ordered from GearBest in here?
[08:57] <DL7AD> Darkside: breakfast
[09:19] <Darkside> DL7AD: actually i had some nice piza for dinner
[09:19] <Darkside> :P
[09:19] <Darkside> pizza*
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[09:30] <fsphil> mmm
[09:31] <fsphil> it's only 10:30am here... never too early for pizza right
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[10:07] <daveake> Pizza is for any time of day; that's why it's shaped like a clock.
[10:09] <AndyEsser> ha!
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[10:50] <Mike-SA6BSS> https://www.krackattacks.com/#details-android serious weaknesses in WPA2
[10:54] <WSPR> daveake: seems reasonable
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[11:07] <Ellie> Hi, does anyone here know how to apply for a clearance in Paris?
[11:17] <Darkside> hmm where is the other french HABist...
[11:25] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRFW-6
[11:25] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Atlantic Ocean 10(30.48107,-69.03785) at 0312999 meters about 0314 hours ago
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[11:30] <Darkside> jeez
[11:30] <Darkside> still going
[11:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CHANGEME - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGEME
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[11:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
[12:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5PGW-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5PGW-11
[12:05] <mfa298> I've heard of red sky at night, and red sky in the morning - I'm now wondering what red sky at lunchtime means.
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[12:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[12:19] <Ian_> When the cloud clears sufficiently the filtered sun comes through bright orange . . . spooky or what! Just waiting for a shadow of an asteroid to pass across it and a whooshing sound ...
[12:22] <AndyEsser> a zombie walking passed would not go amiss
[12:23] <mfa298> I don't remember it being quite this orange (or dark) before - unfortunately the camera phone doesn't really capture it - it's trying to correct the colours towards white.
[12:24] <AndyEsser> i'm loving it
[12:24] <AndyEsser> it's like mood lighting for my soul
[12:24] <AndyEsser> none of this blue skies, glorious bright sunshine nonsense
[12:25] Action: mfa298 may have spotted some zombies earlier - also known as students - it's hard to tell the difference sometimes
[12:25] <russss> it's a bit orange in London too
[12:28] <Ian_> Probably a base bodily function - the sound that is! In the West Midlands.
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[12:38] <mfa298> hmmm, time to dig out all those ethernet cables http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41635516
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[12:44] <_Jordan> Does this class as #highaltitude lol?
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[12:53] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRFW-6
[12:53] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Atlantic Ocean 10(35.23107,-69.28786) at 0313665 meters about 037 minutes ago
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: could have been worse. Either client or AP can be upgraded and fix it for that pair. A worse nightmare would have been if an unpatched device took the whole network insecure.
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[13:00] <Vaizki> I have never considered wifi to be secure, even with wpa2.. :P
[13:01] <Laurenceb> crazy weather
[13:01] <Vaizki> that said, I don't even consider ethernet to be really secure, at least not at the office where we share cabling racks with other tenants of the building
[13:01] <Laurenceb> looks like ww3
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[13:02] <_Jordan> Laurenceb scary :P
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[13:58] <WSPR> Laurenceb: the weather in the UK?
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[14:05] <edmoore> i just took this outside the office https://i.imgur.com/aLh8dxA.jpg
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[14:24] <fsphil> disappointing storm webcam: https://www.sanslogic.co.uk/webcam/
[14:25] <fsphil> (Cookstown, N.Ireland)
[14:27] <mattbrejza> i think youll have to be coastal for any major issues https://earth.nullschool.net/#2017/10/16/1500Z/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-5.43,50.27,3000/loc=-6.449,54.541
[14:28] <fsphil> yeah
[14:28] <mfa298> edmoore: that's how it was looking down south earlier, it's brightened up again now
[14:28] <fsphil> south coast of ireland got a battering
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[14:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DO2EIM-1 after 0318 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO2EIM-1
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[15:22] <PE2BZ> !flights
[15:22] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03sidmouth1 10(4eea), 03SP9UOB-P30 144.251 MHz CTSTIA 10(cbd2)
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[16:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Trouhab - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Trouhab
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[16:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F5APQ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F5APQ_chase
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[17:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[19:44] <fsphil> https://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2017-10-16--08-53-19-DL7AD4-1B0DC.jpeg
[19:44] <fsphil> notice you didn't offer us any :p
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[19:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
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[20:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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[21:08] <ghoti> Silly question about cabling. I understand that normal Ethernet cable degrades when exposed to UV, but is it also risky to have it exposed to extreme temperatures or moisture, as long it's protected from UV?
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[21:09] <ghoti> Like, if it were inside a permeable enclosure, like split loom or an unsealed box?
[21:15] <Ian_> If moisture can get into the cable, through atmospheric moisture or direct condensation, it will have an effect upon the cable, to some degree. Best that it is protected from extremes of all sorts.
[21:24] <Vaizki> I would just get a weatherproof cable.. I have normal ethernet outside but I expect it to fail within 12-15 years at the latest (it's been there for 7 already)
[21:26] <Vaizki> you can get basically 2 grades of outdoor ethernet, stuff to put on the wall outside and then a bit more expensive that can be buried into the ground without a protective pipe (although I would always suggest one)
[21:27] <Vaizki> https://www.amazon.co.uk/OUTDOOR-EXTERNAL-cat5e-Network-Ethernet-BLACK/dp/B009U810UW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1508189117&sr=8-4&keywords=weatherproof+ethernet+cable
[21:27] <Vaizki> that should do for gigabit ethernet
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[22:00] <miek> i've got that exact cable going outside up to my roof, 4 months so far with no problems
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[22:45] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxVf9QY_TFs sort of on topic
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> flying jellyfish
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[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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