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[00:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kc3fxx_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kc3fxx_chase
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[01:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03wulf54_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wulf54_chase
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[05:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS12 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS12
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[05:44] <F6AGV> Hello, I start a launch with a balloon in St-OMER airport 50.73, 2.24 to day 9Z, 11h local time please welcome
[05:45] <F6AGV> PLEASE I DON't see anything on tracker.habhub.org ?
[05:46] <F6AGV> INFO : 434.470 RTTY USB ascii 50 bauds 7 n 2 shift 450 Hz
[05:49] <drohan> Hey there F6AGV, have you set up payload documents?
[05:52] <F6AGV> NO, very very hard for me, help me please help me thanks !
[05:53] <F6AGV> AVA-4 is online this present time since yesterday all the night but nothing on serveur habitat sorry HELP
[05:54] <F6AGV> WHERE ARE payload documents ?
[05:54] <F6AGV> ttt
[05:59] <F6AGV> http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[06:00] <F6AGV> It's ok on genpayload : correct please ?
[06:01] <F6AGV> PLEASE CONFIRM ?
[06:02] <F6AGV> INFO : 434.470 RTTY USB ascii 50 b 7 N 2 shift 450 HZ name AVA-4 alan F6AGV
[06:03] <F6AGV> 06 18 98 32 98 french line Please confirm ??
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[06:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03V3 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=V3
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[06:54] <PE2BZ> parachute calculator for rockets but also for other payloads https://www.rocketreviews.com/index.php
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[06:56] <PE2BZ> ¨dragging¨ a parachute up with the payload (meaning the balloon and payload are attached to the bottom of the parachute) would that give a slower ascent rate ? I am thinking that the parachute would open when it´s pulled up in the air ?
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[07:23] <Reb-SM0ULC> morning!
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[07:33] <Mike-SA6BSS> gm
[07:34] <PE2BZ> Good morning all
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[08:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MOVEON after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MOVEON
[08:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MOVE_IMU - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MOVE_IMU
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[08:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MOVE_AIR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MOVE_AIR
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[09:31] <MOVE-ON-H> Thanks for the confirmation. It seems that we are ready to take off. Is it possible for you to approve our flight documents? Thanks in advance.
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[09:40] <PE2BZ> MOVE-ON-H that approvement is to be aquired in #habhub but there seems to be no admin around at this moment.
[09:41] <PE2BZ> You can fly without flight doc, with a good payload doc you would appear on the map, but no habitat.habhub.org Pie and statistics wihtout approved flightdoc.
[09:42] <PE2BZ> MOVE-ON-H there is an admin on #habhub at this moment. Can you paste your flightdoc there ?
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[09:47] <MOVE-ON-H> Thanks, we will reach out soon!
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[10:03] <fre0n> what is the launchlocation for your mission PE2BZ ? southwest of NL ?
[10:03] Nick change: fre0n -> pd1wes
[10:04] <PE2BZ> It´s a town called Honselersdijk, 16 km west of Rotterdam
[10:05] <pd1wes> thanks, that's near, should be able to reveice data
[10:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-rs41 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-rs41
[10:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9UOB-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-13
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[10:50] <Maxell> Failed for URL 'http://ssdv.habhub.org/api/v0/packets'
[10:50] <Maxell> curl_easy_perform() failed: HTTP response code said error
[10:50] <Maxell> error: The requested URL returned error: 400 Bad Request
[10:57] <Maxell> Stream of PI6WL flight: https://pi6wl.nl/stream.php
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[11:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PA3DJR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PA3DJR
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[11:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[11:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[11:43] <Maxell> PI6WL / PA3DJR is up in the sky
[11:44] <Maxell> 500 meter -ish
[11:45] <g8fjg> PE2BZ Ben can see pa3jdr on the waterfall at 210km before blue line,,must be some lift over N.Sea
[11:47] <Maxell> Hot weather today in .nl
[11:47] <Maxell> Cold in UK? Magic ducting? :)
[11:48] <Maxell> Already coming down :(
[11:49] <g8fjg> got the best sig @ 360mts
[11:49] <Maxell> haha wow
[11:50] <Maxell> No decodes? :)
[11:50] <g8fjg> its still there ...no decodes just a trace on Spec Lab
[11:50] <Maxell> Ok ging up again
[11:50] <Maxell> 400 mtrs
[11:50] <Maxell> This funny balloon
[11:52] <Maxell> And slowly coming down again
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[11:54] <Maxell> 13:53:31 Ch1: SSDV Packet, Callsign PI0-BZ, Image 2, Packet 25
[11:54] <Maxell> SSDV drone recieved
[11:54] <pd1wes> PA3DJR very loud now, allmost over my rooftop :)
[11:54] <pd1wes> pretty strong wind
[11:54] <Maxell> pd1wes: hehe yes "full trampoline mode"
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[11:55] <Maxell> http://ssdv.habhub.org/PI0-BZ for SSDV
[11:55] <g8fjg> the rtty in SpecLab on the left screen https://i.imgur.com/wmueknc.jpg
[11:55] <g8fjg> from jo01cm
[12:06] <g8fjg> ,PA3dJS,2}2,12 45"5n01%<$.4381,25(?|%,101754(1|xp*<828I`<(oo>v~9A&PC"@ nearly ?
[12:08] <g8fjg> Its flying away faster than going up!!
[12:09] <pd1wes> 1000 meters reached now , in height.
[12:11] <pd1wes> i think the payload is swinging or turning, signal is sometimes fading a lot
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[12:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03swllex_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=swllex_chase
[12:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK0LRT-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0LRT-11
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[12:24] <g8fjg> is pa3jdr txing LORa ? or are pics from aprs?
[12:25] <pd1wes> rtty gps data
[12:25] <pd1wes> 434.3875 rtty 75 bd 7n2 540 shift
[12:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9JC_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9JC_chase
[12:29] <g8fjg> http://ssdv.habhub.org/PI0-BZ where do these come from?
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[12:30] <fsphil> guessing 51.99903,4.22399 :)
[12:30] <g8fjg> from a drone>
[12:30] <g8fjg> :-))
[12:32] <pd1wes> it's not on a balloon mission
[12:34] <PE2BZ> it´s me :-)
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[12:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PA3DJR-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PA3DJR-12
[12:38] <aadamson> finally... hirfw-6 passes 1,000,000 km distance travelled, 1 week short of 13mo aloft - https://www.dropbox.com/s/a2cjc1bb8uyen6f/1mkm.png?dl=0
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[12:42] <g8fjg> $$PA3DJR,400,124016,52.19486,4.79348l2410,26,3.4,12,2810.1,80*9536 so close
[12:43] <g8fjg> afk
[12:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ9WTF_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ9WTF_chase
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[12:50] <dt_> !flights
[12:50] <SpacenearUS> 03dt_: Current flights: 03SP5MASR - RS41 437.6 MHz, RTTY 300/450 7N1 10(49b3), 03sidmouth3 10(27a4), 03PI6WL-low_descend 10(a22a), 03TUM MOVE-ON-HYDROGEN 10(bdfd), 03sidmouth1 10(4eea), 03SP9UOB-P30 144.251 MHz CTSTIA 10(cbd2)
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[13:12] <Darkside> hrm is SP9TED in here ?
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[13:18] <dj3ak> !dial moveon
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[13:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MOVE-ON-H-Mobil_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MOVE-ON-H-Mobil_chase
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[13:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W4HTB-11 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W4HTB-11
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[14:07] <PE2BZ> fsphil you did guess very close ;-)
[14:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W5LCY-7 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5LCY-7
[14:14] <fsphil> there may have been clues
[14:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD5GOM-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
[14:16] <PE2BZ> I have to hide the altitude next time... We are allowed to fly 464 feet and not meter ;-)
[14:16] <SIbot> In real units: 464 ft = 141 m
[14:16] <PE2BZ> SIbot you are wrong. I am allowed 120 meter
[14:16] Action: PE2BZ notices he´s arguing with a computer. That´s what you get when your wife is a weekend away
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[14:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KB1KVR after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB1KVR
[14:23] <luteijn> [17~
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[14:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE5LWQ-8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE5LWQ-8
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[16:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ERRNO - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ERRNO
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[16:15] <g8fjg> PE2BZ Ben you must have a yagi under pa3jdr about 25 db qsb every 5mins ...so many reds ....no greens :-)
[16:19] <g8fjg> just got rid of 30+ starlings of the antenna... must give me .5db extra gain :-)
[16:19] <g8fjg> off
[16:21] <g8fjg> freq jump
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[16:44] <g8fjg> 12 greens and didnt see it happen! saturday curry takes precedence and a "few" beers
[16:50] <PE2BZ> Well done Ron !
[16:51] <PE2BZ> I have a 14 cm wire as antenna, with 2 cm pcb track and a true 12 mWatt output power
[16:53] <PE2BZ> But it could be possible that the RS41 radiosonde is horizontal every now and then. At launch I noticed that the rope to release it was tied to the rope to the parachute to a tyrap around the foam case, which made the RS41 sonde turn 90 degrees just before release. I fixed that :-)
[16:54] <g8fjg> $$$PA3DJR,1446,165223,52.05220,7.52288,14586,4,2.64,11,10374,1,80*A82D I still haven't seen a green
[16:55] <g8fjg> just shows what can be done on a quite qrg...
[16:55] <PE2BZ> I am sorry ;-) for every meter we rise we drift further away
[16:55] <g8fjg> 505km from me
[16:56] <PE2BZ> That´s quite a distance !
[16:56] <PE2BZ> I like this http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/PA3DJR#g/altitude
[16:57] <PE2BZ> except for the part what happened 1 minute after the launch....
[16:57] <PE2BZ> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/PA3DJR#g/altitude,_vertical_rate
[16:58] <PE2BZ> The vertical rate made me worry
[16:58] <g8fjg> ^V^V had me worried
[16:58] <g8fjg> how long before battery volt get too low?
[17:00] <g8fjg> think my record is about 730km
[17:00] <PE2BZ> Last weekend we had a flight which lost its balloon, we used that for battery testing, and after 22 hours we had to replace the batteries because that payload had to go up again. Still not empty at that moment but not wanting to risk getting empty when flying 300 km
[17:01] <g8fjg> signal comming up now
[17:01] <PE2BZ> But that was at room temperature, 21 degrees C inside the case
[17:02] <PE2BZ> Now it´s 2 degrees...
[17:03] <g8fjg> coming ...brain operating ..but "finger" not complying
[17:05] <g8fjg> seen a green ...poet
[17:06] <PE2BZ> In the early days I would give you the advice to exchange red and green on the CRT
[17:06] <PE2BZ> Problem solved.
[17:07] <g8fjg> I remember overlays
[17:10] <g8fjg> slow qsb https://i.imgur.com/XMSkTgY.jpg
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[17:13] <PE2BZ> time for tropo....
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[17:22] <pau> Hi all :)
[17:24] <PE2BZ> Hi !
[17:26] <PE2BZ> g8fjg 13 greens and azel also 13
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[17:34] <g8fjg> 535km
[17:35] <g8fjg> just need the battery to last ;-)
[17:39] <PE2BZ> Someone should bring a coat to the radiosonde
[17:40] <g8fjg> seen my new antenna just fits in garden https://i.imgur.com/oGA1ZLI.jpg
[17:42] <PE2BZ> I take one :-)
[17:42] <g8fjg> done
[17:43] <PE2BZ> How do they get it here ? Stena line ?
[17:44] <g8fjg> I'll send it in the post
[17:46] <g8fjg> PA3JDR moving away quickly now ...blue line receding..needs vertical afterburner
[17:53] <g8fjg> I've got to go now...leave the kit running .. see what happens cheers Ben
[17:57] <PE2BZ> Cheers Ron !
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[18:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GM_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GM_chase
[19:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03swlbert_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=swlbert_chase
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[19:33] <Mike-SA6BSS> !dial pa3djr
[19:34] <SpacenearUS> 03Mike-SA6BSS: Latest dials for 03PA3DJR-flight 10(a22a): 03434.385953 MHz, 434.3848 MHz, 14.07 MHz, 1.3 MHz, 434.360514 MHz, 434.385943 MHz
[19:34] <PE2BZ> Sorry Mike, it bursted ;-)
[19:36] <Mike-SA6BSS> yeah, I see that, was looking for a web sdr at touch down to track it all the way to ground
[19:39] <PE2BZ> 5 m/s with 2 parachutes. Not what I expected....
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[20:18] <peterpilot> anyone else on here
[20:18] <PE2BZ> Shure
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[20:20] <Peter_____> ?
[20:20] <Peter_____> anyone else on here, I have a few questions.
[20:20] <daveake> Just ask
[20:20] <Peter_____> first time on freenode
[20:21] <Peter_____> not really sure exactly if this is a chat room, or what? so first excuse my ignorance of this media.
[20:21] <PE2BZ> Happened to all of us
[20:21] <Peter_____> on habhub whats the difference between sat, and lock
[20:21] <PE2BZ> IRC the C stands for Chat
[20:21] <Peter_____> I assume its referring to the satellite lock , but whats the difference between the two values.
[20:22] <Peter_____> Im tracking a HAB and it has a 9 and occasionally a 10 for sat, but has always had a 1 for lock.
[20:22] <daveake> That'll be lock status - e.g. no lock, time only, 2D position, 3D position
[20:22] <daveake> Depends on the code on that particular tracker; there's no standard
[20:22] <Mike-SA6BSS> its how many gps sats it hears and get gps data from
[20:22] <daveake> Sats = number of satellites used in the fix
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[20:24] <Peter_____> I understand the sat , that seems to be sinking in, but the lock feature Im still having a hard time grasping that. true, 3d would include altitude but I see altitude in a lot of these hats with 1 for the lock
[20:24] <daveake> Like I said, depends on the code in the tracker
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[20:24] <Peter_____> gotcha
[20:24] <Peter_____> the blue circle, --> line of sight?
[20:24] <Mike-SA6BSS> yes,
[20:25] <Mike-SA6BSS> green 5 °
[20:25] <Peter_____> 5 degrees?
[20:25] <Mike-SA6BSS> over horizon
[20:25] <Mike-SA6BSS> or elevation
[20:26] <Peter_____> is there a way to determine which station on the ground is grabbing the signal on the habhub site?
[20:26] <daveake> Listed under the telemetry
[20:26] <daveake> Also you generally get lines from the balloon to the listeners
[20:26] <Peter_____> thanks!!
[20:26] <Mike-SA6BSS> click on the balloon name in the left and yo see whos rx:ing
[20:27] <Peter_____> under the settings when I click aprs overlay. what does that do
[20:28] <Peter_____> I dont see any difference if its turned on or off
[20:28] <daveake> Dunno, however most HABs outside USA don't use APRS
[20:29] <Peter_____> oh they dont?
[20:29] <Mike-SA6BSS> it will show aprs coverage taken from the aprs.fi, you map should change when on, may take a while
[20:29] <Mike-SA6BSS> to load
[20:30] <daveake> Many countries (e.g. UK) don't allow ham radio transmissions from an airborne device
[20:30] <daveake> Making APRS (which uses a ham radio frequency) useless
[20:31] <Peter_____> so launching a balloon from the u.s and it happened to fly over Europe and beyond where the rules dont allow airborne transmission... we are just lucky to be able to launch them and track using aprs
[20:32] <Peter_____> do you use hypsplit
[20:32] <Peter_____> hysplit
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[20:33] <Mike-SA6BSS> yes, noaa almost every day when have a balöloon up
[20:33] <daveake> There have been some long distance APRS flights and they use a geographical vector map to figure out whether they can Tx APRS or not.
[20:34] <daveake> Also to change the Tx frequency, as that can vary
[20:34] <Peter_____> does the hysplit use the same winds aloft data as other balloon tracking websites?
[20:34] <Peter_____> whats the difference between the 3 colors? how are the different predictions generated?
[20:35] <Mike-SA6BSS> yes, pretty sure all of them using noaa 192h gfs
[20:37] <Mike-SA6BSS> some different altitudes from the reported, probably if the balloon is at 8000m it will calc 6000m and 10000m , I dont have this confirmed but most likly how its done
[20:38] <Peter_____> so the different colors are different altitutde predictions?
[20:39] <Mike-SA6BSS> yeah, I think so
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[20:41] <Mike-SA6BSS> looking up that it lookslike it does not have to do with altitude
[20:41] <Peter_____> ok
[20:41] <Mike-SA6BSS> have a look here http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajtype.pl
[20:42] <Mike-SA6BSS> looks like its using Trajectory Ensemble
[20:44] <Peter_____> great, thanks for the help, I appreciate it
[20:44] <Mike-SA6BSS> np :)
[20:45] <Wiktor> Darkside: what about SP9TED? I can pass him the message
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[21:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SHOGUN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SHOGUN_chase
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[22:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PS-72 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-72
[22:51] <SpeedEvil> https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/10/14/020204/startup-plans-to-clean-up-cigarette-butts-using-crows
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:42] <Darkside> Wiktor: i was wondeirng what triggers his APRS balloon landing prediction thing to activate
[23:43] <Darkside> Wiktor: i've noticed it showing landing predictions (Which have been way off) for the various radiosonde launches i push into APRS-IS
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[23:57] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRF-6
[23:57] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRF-6 was over 03United States 10(43.45789,-69.99963) at 0313648 meters about 03a day ago
[23:58] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[23:58] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Atlantic Ocean 10(33.48107,-64.03785) at 0313776 meters about 0310 hours ago
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