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[03:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03STROMLO after 0317 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STROMLO
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[03:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OZBLN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OZBLN_chase
[03:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STROMLO_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STROMLO_chase
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[05:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-10 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-10
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[06:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-9 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-9
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[08:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS12 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS12
[08:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03zane_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=zane_chase
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[08:46] <Haxxa> Trying to think of a good project for final year year - thinking of maybe building a ocean buoy that can be dropped at an ocean tranch - do some recording and then resurface after releasing a heavy weight.
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[08:46] <Haxxa> *final year project
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[09:04] <michal_f> Haxxa, sounds cool ...
[09:05] <Haxxa> can't tell if '...' is implied sacasm
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[09:11] <fsphil> Haxxa: very cool
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[09:12] <fsphil> would it be satellite comms from the buoy, or relayed by balloon?
[09:13] <Haxxa> fsphil, I was thinking satelite or maybe lora modules as it would resurface in roughly a 10km zone
[09:14] <Haxxa> I also have contacts in Antartica but not sure what I would do there already done some climate stuff
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[09:25] <fsphil> the high pressure might cause some troubles
[09:27] <Haxxa> fsphil, yeah old gas clinder filled with oil should work but no way optics will work unless specially purchased ones costs thousands of dollars are bought
[09:29] <gonzo_> if this is an engineering project, rathert than actual science, could the project be to prove the concept of a re-surfacing bouy, with recovert beacon. Rather than havimng to put an actual payload in?
[09:29] <gonzo_> recovery
[09:32] <Haxxa> gonzo_, It could but it lacks the cool factor - even this project doesn't sit right - I want to do something global maybe humanitarian but most things I look into have already been done by hobbyists
[09:33] <fsphil> an image would be cool though
[09:33] <fsphil> but yeah, a picam lens won't quite cut it :)
[09:34] <gonzo_> an image from a trench would be small file size though.
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[09:37] <Haxxa> gonzo_, also lighting, and framing anything useful would be a challenge
[09:37] <Haxxa> dave from eevblog opened a buoy recently and they are built to survive the end of the world - not sure anything hobbyist would survive
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[09:39] <edmoore> Haxxa: linky?
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[09:41] <gonzo_> it's possible down to the build of the outer casing. I have a couple of empty O2 bottles that would probably survive. Cut into them and they are about 1/2 " thick
[09:41] <Haxxa> edmoore honestly can't find it not sure what the video was called - anyone else?
[09:42] <edmoore> i remember a mikeelectricstuff one from a number of years ago
[09:42] <edmoore> but not a recent eevblog one
[09:42] <Haxxa> edmoore, it was like 2015 I think 100% eevblog I remember him getting a hard on from the components used
[09:43] <edmoore> i don't believe the right approach would be to design somethat that operates in shirt-sleeve conditions inside but just with a really thick case
[09:43] <edmoore> Haxxa: the mikeselectricone was mostly about the supercapacitors used
[09:43] <edmoore> instead i'd go for soemthing that was equal pressure on the inside and out
[09:43] <gonzo_> (1/2" of steel would ponly be for a shallow trench)
[09:44] <edmoore> and just fill it with something incompressible but lower denisty than water, like kerosene
[09:44] <Haxxa> yeah but then your limited in sensors used
[09:44] <edmoore> in what way does it limit you?
[09:44] <Haxxa> optics
[09:45] <Haxxa> basically only internal sensors could be used
[09:45] <edmoore> is kerosene opaque now or something?
[09:45] <Haxxa> no I mean use of thick steel
[09:45] <edmoore> that's what i'm saying
[09:45] <edmoore> don't make a pressure vessel, there's no need
[09:46] <Haxxa> so just use a coke bottle or something
[09:46] <edmoore> yes
[09:46] <edmoore> just make sure everything is thoroughly outgasses and has no trapped pockets of gas
[09:47] <edmoore> so avoid electrolytic caps and things
[09:47] <edmoore> and then have equal pressure inside and out
[09:47] <edmoore> e.g. with the kerosene
[09:47] <edmoore> then a big bit of lead ballast to sink you
[09:47] <edmoore> which you can release
[09:48] <edmoore> avoid mechanisms where possible, do like the old bathyscape (whatever the word is) people did and have the ballast attached with an electromagnet
[09:48] <Haxxa> and kerosene woldn't affect the electronics - the other big issue I heard was the trapped air between optics in camera
[09:48] <edmoore> so you can just disengage current to release it
[09:48] <edmoore> and so if you have a system failure it still comes up
[09:48] <edmoore> Haxxa: yes i don't think you're using a canon powershot for this
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[09:48] <edmoore> it needs some careful thought
[09:49] Action: Haxxa looks at how to get out to ocean trench without sailing for two weeks
[09:50] <edmoore> that might be difficult
[09:50] <edmoore> how deep is a depp trench?
[09:50] <Haxxa> I should just go on a cruse and late at night through a buoy of the back of the ship lol
[09:50] <Haxxa> edmoore, between 6-11km
[09:50] <bradfier> I may have missed this part of the conversation, but you need to consider light if you're hoping to get results from a camera
[09:51] <edmoore> ok, so that's roughly 600-1100 bar pressure
[09:51] <edmoore> i mean it's a lot but it's not mental
[09:51] <bradfier> And the fact that off the shelf lamps tend to have air in them
[09:51] <bradfier> Even leds
[09:51] <edmoore> you could build a pressure vessel if you preferred
[09:51] <Haxxa> bradfier, yeah just going to put a big battery and strobe the light every 5 minutes or so when optics are switched on
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[09:52] <bradfier> Is the light going inside your pressure vessel or outside? If outside, is it a pressure rated strobe?
[09:52] <russss> you're not really weight limited.
[09:52] <edmoore> add some UV
[09:52] <russss> why not stick 200Ah of lead acid batteries in it
[09:52] <bradfier> If it's outside it will have to either be on permanently or have its own timer
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[09:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC4
[09:53] <Haxxa> bradfier, inside as edmoore pinted out with the right goods inside it doesn't need to be a pressure vessel
[09:53] <Haxxa> russss, thats the plan
[09:54] <bradfier> Yeah so in that case you light source needs to be fluid filled or something
[09:54] <craag> or solid-state..
[09:54] <Haxxa> bradfier, the whole vessel needs to be filled with something that won't pressurise
[09:54] <edmoore> i'm not sure that's what i said
[09:55] <edmoore> the internal fluid will be under pressure
[09:55] <edmoore> same as outside
[09:55] <bradfier> Indeed and if you have say an LED strobe, the little plastic lenses over the component might have air behind them
[09:55] <edmoore> it jsut needs to be incompressible and not nasty to electronics like saltwater and have a low enough density to make the whole shebang boyent
[09:56] <russss> yeah I dunno how electronics (and batteries) will behave under that kind of pressure. But a pressure vessel is not too hard given the unlimited weight budget.
[09:56] <Laurenceb_> hi folks
[09:56] <Laurenceb_> making submersibles?
[09:56] <russss> I see we are #lowaltitude again
[09:56] <bradfier> Got there before me russss
[09:56] <Haxxa> extremes of nature
[09:56] <Laurenceb_> aiui its "easy" with non conductive fluids
[09:56] <Laurenceb_> but xtals are tricky
[09:56] <Laurenceb_> people have used mems oscillators aiui
[09:57] <Laurenceb_> also lenses go all wrong for obvious reasons
[09:57] <bradfier> You can buy a couple of gallons of mineral oil off Amazon for not much money
[09:57] <Haxxa> didn't consider xtals
[09:57] <Laurenceb_> there are special fluids for this stuff
[09:57] <Laurenceb_> better than oils
[09:57] <Laurenceb_> check out 3m
[09:57] <Laurenceb_> I've gtg, cya
[09:57] <Haxxa> cheers
[09:57] <russss> even a window for that kind of pressure is not too hard, just get some thick polycarbonate. Bit pricey though.
[09:57] <fsphil> his people need him
[09:58] <bradfier> I've yet to see a scenario where 3M doesn't make some magic chemical for it
[09:58] <edmoore> pure ethanol
[09:58] <edmoore> surprisingly hard to get
[09:58] <bradfier> You can distill lab grade ethanol though
[09:58] <bradfier> Not sure how easily though
[09:59] <edmoore> i mean to get in sort of 50L containers
[09:59] <bradfier> Ah
[09:59] <Haxxa> So (some special liquid + gas etc) - normal electronics - special care of crystal - special consideration of indexes through optics and a coke bottle and I'm all set?
[10:00] <edmoore> to a first approximation, quite possible
[10:00] <fsphil> how pratical would it be to build a test chamber for the expected pressures?
[10:00] <Haxxa> my uni probably has a test chamber somewhere
[10:01] <Haxxa> at the very least I would trial this in small scale first and gradually build up
[10:01] <edmoore> this looks relevant http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/762009.pdf
[10:01] <fsphil> sink, bath, pond...
[10:01] <edmoore> fsphil: not too hard
[10:02] <edmoore> 1000bar is not that out-their in the world of industrial hydraulics
[10:02] <edmoore> er, out-there
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[10:02] <Haxxa> edmoore, wow that datasheet is 3 times my age
[10:02] <edmoore> we routinely test stuff to hundreds of bar just with a hand-pump system
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[10:04] <edmoore> stuff that governments did about 50 years ago seems to be quite doable by a keen person now, for a lot of areas of technology that involve electronics or computers
[10:04] <edmoore> a lathe is still just a lathe though
[10:04] <Haxxa> so it resurfaces in the middle of the ocean would a satelite be best or just some wireless module pinging every few minutes
[10:05] <Haxxa> actually it seems pretty doable not sure why it hasn't been done by someone on this channel before, or has it?
[10:05] <fsphil> there was a buoy released in the atlantic a while back
[10:05] <fsphil> used a satellite modem
[10:06] <fsphil> http://poseidon.sgsphysics.co.uk/
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[10:17] <mattbrejza> id imagine the first few 'launches' of this would be somewhere where you could recover it, so perhaps only ISM radio is needed
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[10:20] <gonzo_> you would probably want satellite for the recovery beacon. In an ocean
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[10:22] <gonzo_> there was a bouy put out on the lake by freidrichsaffen in germanny, last year? poss 2015? And at the Ham Radio show a few weeks later, they sent up a HAB with a repeater, to see if tey could get packets from the bouy
[10:22] <gonzo_> think they were using APRS, as Ar is permitted airborne in .de
[10:23] <gonzo_> (we could put an APRS receicer in the air, and send the data back on ISM)
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[10:26] <Haxxa> neat
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[10:36] <Haxxa> alright I'll come back in a few weeks once I have supplies sorted and some ideas
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[11:00] <Haxxa> been looking into optics could it be possible to use silicone oil and simply account for index using math
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[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[11:24] <SpeedEvil> Haxxa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK9ZYrqPHfI sonar transducer on construction
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[11:46] <edmoore> Haxxa: this looks like a nice intro too http://uutech.com/ptepaper
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[12:17] <PE2BZ> Good afternoon. Not being a GIT specialist, can anyone point me to how I can revert the lora-gateway to an earlier version ?
[12:17] <craag> git reset --hard REV
[12:17] <craag> --hard means throwing away any changes you have
[12:18] <craag> REV is the git commit id you want to go to
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[12:19] <Dan_KU> Anyone able to help me understand the RTTY code for the radiometrix? is it supposed to convert the chars from string "RTTY TEST BEACON" to ASCII, then break those down to bits (1's and 0's)?
[12:20] <fsphil> the string already is ascii
[12:20] <fsphil> it just reads the characters out one bit at a time
[12:21] <fsphil> adding extra bits that rtty needs to find the start and end of each character
[12:21] <Dan_KU> aahh
[12:21] <PE2BZ> thanks craag !
[12:21] <Vaizki> RTTY is exactly the same as serial port comms but instead of high/low voltage you have high/low frequency
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[12:25] <_Jordan> GA everyone, hope you all enjoyed the SSDV live images from Tuesday!
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[12:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[12:51] <Dan_KU> not sure what the (char * string) means in void rtty_txtstring (char * string)
[12:53] <fsphil> the function rtty_txtstring() has a single argument, "string" that is a "char *" (pointer to a character)
[12:56] <Dan_KU> so string 'datastring' is a pointer to char 'c'
[12:56] <Dan_KU> when used in the program
[12:56] <fsphil> can't say without seeing the code
[12:57] Action: PE2BZ is headbanging. Lora tracker problems for weeks.... Pleating guilty on having the same DIO addresses for 2 different modules...
[12:57] <Dan_KU> referencing the tutorial on ukhas code https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2 I'll pick this up later! Thanks for the help though :)
[12:57] <fsphil> np
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[14:18] <_Jordan> Hey guys! I'm trying to set up a SDR + FLDIGI (HAB-mode), the two beams show up in fldigi from HDSDR but when i try to decode that signal it just gives me really wierd symobols? Any ideas?
[14:18] <AndyEsser> can you screenshot fldigi
[14:18] <AndyEsser> and show us
[14:19] <_Jordan> Yeah one sec
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[14:19] <_Jordan> downloading gyazo...
[14:21] <AndyEsser> can't you just use PrntScrn button?
[14:22] <_Jordan> you can paste from clipboard in this irc?
[14:22] <Jordan2> https://gyazo.com/e161206c5b80dd500f8b223be340fccb
[14:22] <AndyEsser> no, just paste it onto imgur.com then
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[14:27] <mattbrejza> your spacing and bandwidth is off
[14:27] <mattbrejza> the red lines should be in the middle of the yellow ones
[14:27] <mattbrejza> and hte red bars should be at least as wide as the yellow liunes
[14:27] <AndyEsser> increase your shift to about 800Hz in fldigi
[14:27] <AndyEsser> and increase the receive filter bandwidth (i think that's its name)
[14:27] <_Jordan> thanks andy
[14:27] <mattbrejza> right click on RTTY (bottom left)
[14:28] <_Jordan> and matt
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[14:28] <AndyEsser> _Jordan: I'm just repeating what mattbrejza says for brownie points :)
[14:29] <_Jordan> what shall i increase the recieve filter bandwith to?
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[14:29] <AndyEsser> it's about 60 or something atm?
[14:29] <_Jordan> 67
[14:29] <AndyEsser> make it 200
[14:30] <AndyEsser> whilst on that screen, make sure you're set up for the correct number of Start/Stop bits
[14:30] <AndyEsser> and ASCII 7 or ASCII 8 etc
[14:30] <_Jordan> Wow it works, thanks guys!
[14:30] <_Jordan> why did 600 not work then?
[14:30] <AndyEsser> because the actual shift you're seeing is more like 800
[14:31] <_Jordan> So i just have to adjust accrdingly?
[14:31] <AndyEsser> Yes
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[14:31] <_Jordan> understood thnks guys?
[14:32] <_Jordan> i emant !
[14:32] <AndyEsser> is that a question? :P
[14:32] <_Jordan> meaent*
[14:32] <_Jordan> i canny spell.
[14:32] <AndyEsser> quite :P
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[14:35] <fsphil> yay?
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[14:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NM5SS-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NM5SS-1
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[14:53] <_Jordan> fsphil is that a question?
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[14:54] <fsphil> maybe?
[14:54] <_Jordan> and that?
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[14:56] <AndyEsser> 7yes?
[14:57] <fsphil> 42!
[14:57] <fsphil> oh sorry, that's the answer
[14:57] <_Jordan> pre scripted
[14:57] <_Jordan> fix!
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[15:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-8 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-8
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[15:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03queenbee_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=queenbee_chase
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[15:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0168 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0168
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[19:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[21:02] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[21:02] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 is over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(35.48107,170.96215) at 0312999 meters
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[21:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ewe 3758_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ewe%203758_chase
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[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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