highaltitude.log.20170925

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[00:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03abby_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=abby_chase
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[01:28] <drohan> On the Uptronics store, are there any significant differences between the RadioMetrix transmitters and the LoRa transceivers? Other than the transmitter vs transceiver
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[03:24] <Rob___> Greetings all
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[07:11] <fsphil> greetings from earth
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[08:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-11 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-11
[08:48] <AndyEsser> morning
[08:49] <AndyEsser> anyone catch Dragon's Den last night?
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[08:56] <DL7AD1> AndyEsser: morning
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[08:56] <_Jordan> GM guys
[09:07] <AndyEsser> ordered a 3d printer nearly a month ago, it really needs to arrive soon :(
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[09:40] <tjanos> good morning!
[09:41] <tjanos> Where is DL7AD-12?
[09:41] <tjanos> Sven, did you make any NOAA prediction for this day?
[09:43] <_Jordan> Hey guys, does anyone know why HDSDR is not picking up my Generic RTL input on my new(ish) laptop?
[09:45] <DL7AD> tjanos: i did yesterday
[09:46] <DL7AD> driver missning?
[09:46] <_Jordan> I'm thinking misson ExtIO DLL
[09:47] <DL7AD> tjanos: that was yesterday http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/129273_trj001.gif
[09:49] <fsphil> not the best course
[09:59] <tjanos> Thank you! If I interpret correctly the path, its flying around the Bajkal lake
[10:02] <_Jordan> So I installed the right .dll but HDSDR still isn't behaving
[10:02] <_Jordan> It says, ExtIO DLL not active.
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[10:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-12
[10:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[10:42] <Mike-SA6BSS> _Jordan: did you run zadig and install rtl drivers that way?
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[10:43] <_Jordan> Mike-SA6BSS Zadig responded with "0 Devices found" Yet I plug the RTL device into my desktop and it works fine so mkust be a driver issue.
[10:44] <Mike-SA6BSS> in zadig you have to click"show all devices"
[10:45] <Mike-SA6BSS> *list all devices
[10:45] <_Jordan> Yeah none happen to be a RTL device
[10:45] <Mike-SA6BSS> it usuly says bulk in iunterface 0
[10:46] <_Jordan> Oh I have that
[10:46] <Mike-SA6BSS> there you go
[10:46] <Mike-SA6BSS> and then put the dll in the hdsdr folder
[10:46] <Mike-SA6BSS> http://www.hdsdr.de/hardware.html
[10:47] <_Jordan> Yeah I already did that, thanks mike I had no clue it was called bulk interface 0
[10:47] <Mike-SA6BSS> ok, did you get it to run?
[10:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC1 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC1
[10:49] <_Jordan> Yeh thats my badger^
[10:49] <Mike-SA6BSS> ahh :)
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[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[11:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:42] <_Jordan> So guys changing baud rate from 300 to 50 just for Tx, what needs changing?
[11:42] <_Jordan> (I don't want to miss anything)
[11:45] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRFW-6
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Brazil 10(0.48107,-49.03785) at 0313999 meters about 03an hour ago
[11:49] <gonzo_> changing to 50bd is a good idea. If you don't actually need the data rate.
[11:49] <gonzo_> though can't advise on what is required.
[11:50] <gonzo_> probably worth mentioning what the base tracker is, PITS etc?
[11:50] <_Jordan> I've been told in the past that I don't need the data rate
[11:52] <gonzo_> you only need enough rate to get the data you need, at the update rate you need
[11:52] <gonzo_> so sending simple location strings every 10sec, you can do at 50bd
[11:53] <gonzo_> the lower the baudrate, the narrower the bandwidth (of the filters in fldigi) and so the better the signal to noise ratio. Therefore the data can get through when weaker
[11:55] <gonzo_> i certainly noticed that I could rx the 50bd HABs right till they dropped below my horizon. But 300bd, I lose before then
[11:58] <_Jordan> So 50 bd it is! starting from next week
[12:05] <daveake> This advice is in the manual
[12:06] <Darkside> daveake: but who reads those?
[12:06] <daveake> It's taken a while but I'm beginning to learn the answer to that :)
[12:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EA3URC-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EA3URC-9
[12:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SITS3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SITS3
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[12:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-9 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-9
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[13:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03location_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=location_chase
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[14:10] <FuzzyLemon> does anyone know what type and size of balloon was used for the uk HAB altitude record?
[14:13] <fsphil> asking for a friend? :)
[14:13] <FuzzyLemon> yep ;)
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[14:22] <Ian_> Was that RocketBoy, fairly recently? Special stock, by selection from not-so-historical statistics regarding the production inaccuracies in burst parameters.
[14:26] <edmoore> FuzzyLemon: there was a batch of 1600g ones that got all the records, apparently all from one shipment too (from rocketboy) but in general it's the 1600g ones
[14:27] Action: SpeedEvil looks up isotope ratios, and finds that trying to source gas depleted in deuterium is entirely pointless.
[14:28] <FuzzyLemon> How can I find RocketBoy? (again asking for a friend)
[14:29] <edmoore> it's steve
[14:29] <edmoore> random engineering
[14:31] <FuzzyLemon> did he use H or He?
[14:31] <edmoore> oh i mean he supplied the balloons
[14:31] <edmoore> various people have got records with them
[14:31] <edmoore> probably hydrogen, it's cheaper and better
[14:32] <edmoore> he is the uk importer of hoywee, however it's spelt
[14:32] <edmoore> alt records tend to be a summer thing
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> the atmosphere is noticably puffier in summer
[14:33] <edmoore> i assume it's because a given pressure altitude is at a higher physical altitude above sea level, because of atmospheric temperature
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[14:36] <frankk> Hello everybody! I have started the preparation for my first balloon but have hit a point where I could use some help. Can I post some of my questions here? / Maybe I can pm some of you who have more experience with APRS/RaspberryPis? Wouldnt want to spam the whole channel..
[14:36] <edmoore> pm-ing is usually ruder than spamming
[14:37] <edmoore> so ask them here and if someone wants to answer they will
[14:37] <frankk> ^_^ ok
[14:37] <frankk> The project idea is to do a "pi-in-the-sky" type balloon but try to do it as much as possible by myself, hopefully learning as much as possible along the way (Have no previous experience with ballooning and almost none with electronics). So far I have written a small python library to configure and read data from a ublox GPS module / gathered cameras / Raspi and am planning to send data over APRS through the
[14:37] <frankk> Radiometrix hx1 transmitter I bought. (Transmitting over 144MHz is allowed here)
[14:38] <frankk> My main issues are the following:
[14:38] <frankk> 1) I cannot find proper APRS message formatting documentation -> what does a correct message look like so that digipeaters pick these messages up / publish them on aprs.fi?
[14:39] <frankk> 2) How do I translate this constructed message string into something I can send to a GPIO pin on a Raspi (which leads to the transmitter)?
[14:39] <frankk> I read that AFSK is a possible solution (Direwolf is a useful package I believe) but
[14:39] <frankk> I am unsure if this is a correct assumption though / What to take into considerations when setting up the electronics.. (I would also just like to know more about how/why these things would work)
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[14:55] <dbrooke> frankk: the APRS spec is http://www.aprs.org/doc/APRS101.PDF
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[14:56] <dbrooke> it runs over the AX.25 protocol http://www.ax25.net/AX25.2.2-Jul%2098-2.pdf
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[15:00] <dbrooke> the modulation is AFSK using 1200Hz and 2200Hz tones at 1200bps
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[15:04] <fsphil> best thing is to look at other peoples telemetry, and compare it with the spec
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[15:09] <frankk> you mean like in this raw packet view? https://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=
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[15:10] <dbrooke> yes, you only need a small subset of the APRS functionality for position reports
[15:11] <dbrooke> but there are several ways of encoding the data
[15:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YL3GBC_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YL3GBC_chase
[15:13] <frankk> And your average digipeater will listen to 144MHz / messages with those specific tones / bps
[15:14] <dbrooke> yes, you need to know the correct radio frequency for your region
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[15:16] <dbrooke> e.g. Europe is 144.8, USA is 144.39 and you need a license which permits airborne transmission (not allowed in the UK)
[15:16] <frankk> And you think I can just use one of these software modem/tnc's to create my message / initialize a GPIO pin and write it to it?
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[15:16] <frankk> I looked into that when I bought the Radiometrix transmitter
[15:16] <frankk> 144.8 indeed
[15:17] <Ian_> Look up Habduino
[15:17] <dbrooke> you need an anologue output on which you need the generate sine waves at 1200/2200Hz
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[15:18] <dbrooke> Direwolf uses a PC sound card to generate the tones
[15:19] <Ian_> or better still - as the Habduino code has been deprecated FlexTrack is the code to use. https://github.com/HABduino/HABduino
[15:20] <Ian_> Do you really want to reinvent the wheel, when you can follow a proven recipe and then change what you fancy as you understand it better?
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[15:21] <Ian_> I always thought that Direwolf was a receive only program - shows you what I know - Only being interested in the Rx decode option must have blindsided me.
[15:23] <dbrooke> I use Direwolf in my car with a Pi3 and USB sound card which is modified to also key the transmitter
[15:24] <Ian_> Sounds a good idea. I use a USB sound dongle with an old server that had no sound card. Ideal solution for less than £5
[15:27] <dbrooke> the Pi3 is also a WiFi access point with uplink from a USB 3G modem, but I digress ...
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[15:28] <frankk> I am a little confused as to what Direwolf then exactly does :p it seemed to me that it can produce .wav files based on a message you want to send out (given AFSK tones / bit rate as you mentioned)
[15:28] <frankk> this you pass on to sound card
[15:29] <frankk> and connect that to the transmitter?
[15:31] <dbrooke> it generates the tones directly via the sound card, no intermediate file
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[15:36] <frankk> Ok; I will read more on Direwolf-Soundcard-Transmitter / APRS (raw packets) AX25 / Look more at FlexTrack
[15:37] <frankk> any other tips for the next part? I am a little paranoid of burning out my transmitter; any chance of that you think? ^_^
[15:39] <dbrooke> connect a suitable load or antenna to it and keep the voltages within spec
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[15:47] <Bushcraft> Hello all
[15:47] <frankk> Thanks for the help ^_^
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[16:17] <BossII> Does anyone know the batch number for the Hwoyee ballots that broke high altitude records
[16:17] <BossII> * ballons
[16:21] <BossII> anyone know how I can contact RocketBoy directly
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[16:24] <BossII> hello
[16:24] <BossII> is anyone htere
[16:24] <BossII> *there
[16:24] <craag> http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Contact.html
[16:26] <BossII> thanks
[16:28] <edmoore> there must be something in the air
[16:28] <edmoore> everyone wants an altitude record today
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[16:31] <Bushcraft> I'll be happy just to recover our first payload.
[16:31] <edmoore> i like bossII
[16:31] <edmoore> in, demand names, out
[16:31] <edmoore> like a narco
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[18:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[20:02] <Ian_> RocketBoy instant premium offer!
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[21:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5YAM-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5YAM-12
[21:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5YAM-3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5YAM-3
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[21:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VEGA2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VEGA2
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[22:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03V3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=V3
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[22:34] <userscott3> Evening all, any late night PITS/Lora users awake :)
[22:40] <Ian_> Just ask the question userscott3. There are always readers about
[22:41] <Ian_> Some of us have also read the manual . . .
[22:41] <userscott3> I've only read it 5,605945493 times top to bottom. :)
[22:42] <userscott3> My LEDs on both units (LAN & CE0 Data) are very dim - although all functions working as designed. I've seen them brighter in the past though - so can't fathom a cause?!
[22:42] <Ian_> :) next you will be telling me you have sleep problems . . . I never got past half way with the Ublox documentation
[22:43] <Ian_> What seems to be your question? Guessing is difficult.
[22:43] <userscott3> Infact tell a lie, it's only on the payload module now - why is it that the LEDs are dim on the Payload LORA board..
[22:43] <userscott3> Hang on will upload picture to show comparison..
[22:47] <Ian_> This sounds to be a circuit question. Would you like to QSY to the #pits channel where the conversation will then be readily available without the general noise when daveake and upu are about in the morning.
[22:48] <Ian_> to get there type '/join #pits'
[22:50] <userscott3> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cW2ZxExgOhS9Fl2V_VvWirCloe_N8MDR10kvjRfsEY6MvZ7XMaWZmmteN6qDUJ2BLwC58I52nMtVRq9pT1GWEOwEsszYdu-N4T2KhP6JhuhwvyDU1hTOf6EsYU2fQc4dGEqOYrlAIejaYWzuOk3jT9oQiH5e4nvTdqMQDt6PQ3VmxccIiIuCY_kawmyZkRId_43q-NWSsKsMk9XZzPu3OEm_xX5e9_pZZ8QDkIFOyDTlRJIosEKL-06NNL3ZK441dpaGdoI_5OabZNOt9IxwqPB38VqpoYD_FvMSFvEZpymb4zLDnN-kOPxfaenGg_LJ5kf79VJjdXaZ7cGb39g7OKjXfRitf4hjbwuSywwD5Xu1H4lnxtVKKE9HUkAWIMPaeD_Htfe8J8KM
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[22:54] <Ian_> Error 404 on that.
[22:54] <userscott3> Damn!
[22:54] <Ian_> go to #pits please. I'll see you there
[22:55] <Ian_> K K
[22:55] <userscott3> Just switching machines - then shall pop on. Cheers for your help thus far.
[22:56] <Ian_> I think I know what might be the issue.
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[23:02] <Ian_> is that you logged in again?
[23:03] <Ian_> . . . /j #pits
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[23:04] <userscott> Sorry Ian, hah - I have about three different computers and devices all running various IRC clients and when I move around it gets a bit messy. Once authed to userscott8 I think lol. Over in /pits now. :)
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[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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