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[06:17] <EwanP> !flights
[06:17] <SpacenearUS> 03EwanP: Current flights: 03SP5MASR-11 - RS41 437.6 MHz, RTTY 300/450 7N1 10(e72d), 03GAME Glider Test Launch 10(133a), 03SP9UOB-P30 144.251 MHz CTSTIA 10(cbd2)
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[07:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL7AD-12 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-12
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[08:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03GAME after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GAME
[08:09] <Darkside> goddamnit its all hapenning in adelaide this week
[08:09] <Darkside> with the IAC
[08:09] <Darkside> and i'm working all week :(
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[08:20] <DJ3AK> $$GAME,20,080823,+50.898805,+011.578667,484,04463,0404,04*8F25
[08:22] <DJ3AK> $$GAME,2082238,+50.892898,+011.509522,3937,07,4632,1244,-08*656B
[08:26] <PE2BZ> Is that the glider @ -3 m/s ?
[08:33] <PE2BZ> Nice steady ascent rate http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/GAME#g/altitude,_speed
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[10:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5MASR-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5MASR-11
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[11:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[12:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0301778189515_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=01778189515_chase
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[13:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-9 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-9
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[13:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03scorpio_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=scorpio_chase
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[14:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Eeco _chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Eeco%20_chase
[14:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-11 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-11
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[15:05] <scottbradley> Morning all.
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[16:20] <userscott> Can anybody offer any advice with SSH into PITS? Im familiar with SSH on Zero and Model B but just cant get there using my Mac and PITS/Model A.. :(
[16:21] <fsphil> the Pi model doesn't matter, it's all in the software. if ssh is enabled and the pi has working network, then it'll work
[16:21] <fsphil> newer raspbian distros have ssh disabled by default
[16:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03white_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=white_chase
[16:23] <userscott> I have enabled SSH on it already as built it using a headless Model B
[16:23] <userscott> But I have no network on the A
[16:23] <userscott> Have tried to set it up in the same manner as Zero over USB but then it hit me half way though that wouldnt work anyway!
[16:23] <fsphil> you'll need a wifi module
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[16:26] <userscott> Thanks fsphil, whipping one in now.
[16:29] <userscott> Im facing a logistical challenge as trying to set it up so I can SSH into it in the field.. so getting it to link to my mobile phone I guess for network.
[16:29] <fsphil> you could also use a usb <> ethernet adapter
[16:29] <userscott> Right now Im even more stumped as no USB hub for keyboard so USB ethernet adaptor is a challenge haha
[16:30] <fsphil> if you've ssh you don't need a keyboard on the pi? :)
[16:31] <userscott> But how would I connect the Model A to my network (no router here either as im tethering to iPhone from my workshop..!
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[16:31] <userscott> I suspect Im gonna have to whip it out and program it using a headed Model B :(
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[16:32] <fsphil> it might be worth sticking with the wifi, and getting a cheap wifi router just for this job
[16:32] <fsphil> or one of those 3G internet wifi router thingies
[16:32] <fsphil> there's also a serial port console on the pi
[16:33] <fsphil> but it migt be more ackward connecting that up
[16:33] <userscott> My panic is that I want to be able to connect to the PITS when in the field if possible
[16:35] <userscott> I will pop the SD into a Model B and program it through that means whilst I have a think on best route to connect to Model A in the field
[16:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4DDY-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4DDY-9
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[16:54] <daveake> userscott: What do you envisage doing on the pi while "in the field"?
[16:55] <userscott> Its a good point to be honest. One that is currently going through my head now.. and the short answer is nothing. Ive thus switched back to editing via headed Model B and keeping it simple............
[16:57] <daveake> You can edit the config with a laptop and card reader
[16:57] <userscott> Why the hell did I not think of that.
[16:58] <userscott> Honestly Im a tool.
[16:58] <daveake> You can get the photos off to, with a Linux for reader program or driver
[16:58] <daveake> Too
[16:59] <daveake> File reader
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[16:59] <userscott> I will try that..
[17:00] <userscott> Im just trying to find a suggested Lora frequency for 915 mhz. I think it actually needs to be <914.9 but most sites talk of UK frequencies
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[17:03] <userscott> This is what makes me think my planning is excessive (though theyre sub 10 grams!) - prepackaged and sealed lines! https://photos.app.goo.gl/JZi3FiKo6peKtJDI3
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[17:06] <userscott> This is what Ive found RE Lora frequencies on 915902.3 MHz to 914.9 MHz spaced at 200KHz (Upstream-64 channels)
[17:06] <userscott> 903 MHz to 914.2 MHz spaced at 1.6 MHz apart (Upstream- 8 channels)
[17:06] <userscott> 923.3 MHz to 927.5 MHz spaced at 600KHz apart (Downstream- 8 channels)
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[17:25] <userscott> Officially stumped on most suitable frequency for Lora on 915 mhz!
[17:32] Action: userscott I have two slots - CE0 for EU and CE1 for USA, and plan to use SSDV so my config file is as such:
[17:32] <jarod> USA i guess?
[17:32] <userscott> jarod yep
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[17:36] <userscott> This is the most useful guide Ive found but still dont really understand how to choose an appropriate bandwhich on 915 mhz - and what that would be on the Gateway
[17:36] <userscott> http://www.rfwireless-world.com/Tutorials/LoRa-frequency-bands.html
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[17:39] <jarod> was playing with that band (in EU) myself :)
[17:40] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/856.0-869.0/830-880mhz-2017-09-24.jpg
[17:40] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/856.0-869.0/868mhz-band-2017-09-24.jpg
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[17:49] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/spectrumspy-full-2017-09-24-collinear868mhz-ant.jpg
[17:51] <bertrik> 869.525 is the frequency for gateway -> nodes, IIRC it allows higher power and higher duty cycle
[17:51] <bertrik> compared to the other frequencies used in LoRaWAN
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[17:59] <jarod> ah nice
[18:01] <jarod> should have known: iC880A_Datasheet_V0_17.pdf
[18:01] <jarod> hehe
[18:02] <jarod> as screenshot show, it never shows any lora packets, never seen them, that's correct i assume? and these are only small bandwidth signals?
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[18:03] <jarod> nm that last line :)
[18:05] <jarod> bertrik those few on 869.0 could also be lora or other devices?
[18:06] <userscott> 868 is different module to the 915..??
[18:06] <jarod> same, just different freq
[18:09] <jarod> 869.450 is continuous... not sure if qrm or :)
[18:16] <userscott> Could you use your knowledge to suggest a sensible frequency - currently i have 914.275 which I think is compatible?
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[18:17] <bertrik> jarod: lorawan uses a bandwith of 125 kHz for the LoRa signals, 4/5 for the coding rate, CRC on and explicit header mode IIRC
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[18:24] <userscott> I still have no idea. :)
[18:27] <PE2BZ> userscott what would be the greatest risk of using a wrong frequency ?
[18:27] <userscott> I read the guide I linked above and if confused me that only certain frequencies would work.. :
[18:28] <PE2BZ> Do you have a SDR receiver ? Cheap RTL dongle or equivalent ?
[18:30] <PE2BZ> To see what the frequency use in your area is ?
[18:32] <userscott> I dont&
[18:32] <userscott> Currently struggling with creating a desktop shortcut to the Gateway tracker on a raspberry pi lol I really am having a bad day. :D
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[18:36] <drohan> On the topic of radio -- Why's there such a price difference between the LoRa and Radiometrix models?
[18:37] <drohan> I'd imagine that maybe the LoRas would even be more expensive.... they're transceivers *shrug*
[18:37] <drohan> I feel like I'm missing something obvious
[18:37] <PE2BZ> userscott desktop shortcut ? I only have SSH ;-)
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[18:37] <userscott> Im being soft arent I!
[18:37] <userscott> No basically, I will have the Lora Gateway on a touchscreen Pi
[18:37] <userscott> so terminal will be a laugh tho
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[18:38] <PE2BZ> touchscreen with on screen keyboard...
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[19:22] <userscott> Ive done it, haha!
[19:22] <userscott> Bloody hell Im slow.
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[19:57] <userscott> Next issue - CRC Failure 70h!!
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[20:51] <daveake> oh ffs "ashes into spaaace" on dragon's den
[20:52] <daveake> 1 launch per day, £700 a go
[20:53] <fsphil> dragons are quite good as making ash
[20:53] <fsphil> they might be interested
[20:53] <daveake> hah
[20:53] <fsphil> now I'm imaginging a dragons den / got crossover
[20:54] <daveake> nooooooo
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[21:26] <gonzo_> didn't steve do that on one of the james may gigs?
[21:27] <daveake> he did pet ashes
[21:27] <daveake> he's done human ashes once I think
[21:27] <daveake> not keen on doing it again
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[21:38] <gonzo_> ah, I on;y only knew about the pet ones
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[21:55] <fsphil> it's a horrible idea. I'm sure it spreads out pretty thin, but still. euuu
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[22:09] <gonzo_> I think james may's li
[22:10] <gonzo_> line was, 'if you would like to spend eternity, clogging the jets of a ryan air flight to malage....
[22:10] <gonzo_> malaga
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[22:23] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[22:23] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Altamira - State of Pará, Brazil 10(-4.76893,-55.12119) at 0313999 meters about 03an hour ago
[22:23] <Laurenceb_> !whereis DL7AD-12
[22:23] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03DL7AD-12 was over 03Ust-Kulomsky District, Komi Republic, Russia 10(61.89213,55.29381) at 0311746 meters about 03a day ago
[22:23] <DL7AD> yep
[22:24] <fsphil> no images today
[22:24] <DL7AD> I assume there will be no repeater for the next 3 days
[22:24] <DL7AD> no unfortunately not
[22:24] <DL7AD> the tracker must have power problem
[22:25] <DL7AD> it struggled with the solar cells all day
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[22:33] <DL7AD> Laurenceb: DL7AD-13 is currently measuring the temperature of my fridge
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> heh
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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