highaltitude.log.20170923

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[01:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-8 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-8
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[05:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL7AD-12 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD-12
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[06:09] <DL7AD> good morning!
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[06:36] <tjanos> Good morning!
[06:46] <tjanos> Hi Sven! are there any NOAA prediction to the today,s fly of DL7AD-12?
[06:46] <DL7AD> tjanos: it will fly north. but no predictions yet made.
[06:47] <DL7AD> i'm in the care because I'm going to launch another balloon today
[06:47] <tjanos> will be direted to the North pole?
[06:47] <DL7AD> almost
[06:47] <DL7AD> the balloon which i'm going to launch today, is DL7AD-13 and transmits images on 144.8mhz and 144.86mhz (9k6 aprs).
[06:48] <DL7AD> they will be displayed as DL7AD2 and DL7AD3 on the SSDV page
[06:48] <tjanos> Congratlations to this device! It works very well!
[06:49] <DL7AD> thx
[06:49] <tjanos> Yes I see some pictures on ssdv on this callsign...
[06:49] <DL7AD> the same tracker type will fly today
[06:50] <tjanos> This trackar is really a good construction. I took a look in the software side
[06:54] <tjanos> by the way in morning,s newsthere is an interesting picture on the territory, where the DL7AD-12 flying:
[06:54] <tjanos> http://www.taivaanvahti.fi/observations/show/67115#1
[06:55] <tjanos> "...so people in eastern Finland saw rocket launch phenomena last night (Seotember 22) which was related with Glonass satellite launch from Plesetsk, Russia.
[06:57] <DL7AD> is it so close to finland?
[06:57] <DL7AD> i dont know where this is
[07:00] <tjanos> somwhere here:
[07:00] <tjanos> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pleszeck+%C5%B1rrep%C3%BCl%C5%91t%C3%A9r/@62.9278573,40.504803,13535m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x441c0cf20eaa4f39:0x69b7f11c0a1f1e2d!8m2!3d62.9278549!4d40.5748409
[07:02] <tjanos> around 500 km from the finnish border
[07:04] <tjanos> interesting pictures from the DL7AD3
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[07:05] <tjanos> Is it pictures from your secret rocket motors?
[07:06] <tjanos> https://ssdv.habhub.org/\
[07:07] <DL7AD> tjanos: it's inside the car
[07:08] <DL7AD> but the receiving station is 1km far away and in a hole where they dig sand.
[07:08] <DL7AD> i couldn't go there with my car because i would have ben stuck in the sand
[07:08] <DL7AD> I'm driving a smart4two and it has only very small wheels
[07:09] <DL7AD> I will chase it a little bit as it is launched
[07:12] <tjanos> Ol, thanks. We are waiting for the launch
[07:12] <tjanos> OK..
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[07:12] <DL7AD> i think that can take up to a hour because it's a solar heated balloon
[07:17] <tjanos> Oh, the solar heated balloon need a lot of time an patienties to lift on itself
[07:18] <tjanos> and ofxourse good sunshine, Have a good time, and weather conditions
[07:20] <tjanos> it seems, the clouds comming slowly from east: https://en.sat24.com/en/de
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[07:27] <tjanos> Sven, I dont see the DL7AD3 on aprs.fi or on the habhub tracker. Is it transmit telemetry now or pictures only?
[07:28] <tjanos> but the pictures coming on ssdv
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[07:38] <DL7AD> tjanos: launched!
[07:39] <DL7AD> http://ssdv.habhub.org/DL7AD3
[07:39] <DL7AD> http://ssdv.habhub.org/DL7AD2
[07:42] <tjanos> Congratulations! It a great success!
[07:42] <tjanos> good picture from DL7AD3, nr 139
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[07:43] <tjanos> is it transmit telemetry too, or only pictures? are there any aprs receiver on 9.6 k?
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[07:49] <tjanos> This is really a nice field, to try such a sunshine-driven launch
[07:50] <tjanos> what are the weather conditions? temp, sunsine...?
[07:51] <tjanos> what us the dimensions of the balloon?
[07:51] <DL7AD> barley sunshine
[07:51] <DL7AD> it transmit at DL7AD-13 normal aprs positions
[07:52] <DL7AD> but it seems to be so low that we cant receive aprs yet
[07:52] <DL7AD> i did not setup a local igate
[07:52] <DL7AD> only for 9k6 aprs (images)
[07:54] <tjanos> if I see well. the top of the balloon is black
[07:55] <tjanos> can it help to launch more quickly?
[07:57] <DL7AD> yes and no
[07:59] <tjanos> ?
[08:00] <tjanos> teoretycally yes only?
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[09:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP6ZWR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6ZWR
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[09:13] <tjanos> It seems, DL7AD3 landed in a forest.
[09:13] <tjanos> see the last picture on ssdv
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[09:28] <tjanos> If I interpret correctly the situation, the clouds arrived there https://en.sat24.com/en/de and the sunshine-driven balloon returned to the ground, actually in a forest.
[09:28] <tjanos> It happens, if I understand the aprs map well, it happens about 60 km east from Berlin, in a sand-mining place https://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FDL7AD-9&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[09:29] <tjanos> if Sven return here, maybe he will expalain the situation in more details
[09:33] <tjanos> You an see the increased part of the fly for ex. on picture 164 on sstv
[09:33] <tjanos> But I dont know exactly, what is the white construction on the top-left side of the picture.
[09:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP6ZWR-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6ZWR-11
[09:40] <tjanos> By the way, the picture nr 204 is nice! Maybe, Sven with the receiver is not far from here. To receive 226 packets only with 14 missing need good condition in a forest.
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[09:54] <DL7AD> tjanos: it was a very short flight
[09:54] <DL7AD> it went into the trees just ~5km far away
[09:54] <DL7AD> DL7AD-13
[09:54] <tjanos> He Sven, it seems your payload landed in a forest
[09:54] <DL7AD> i'm with my car about 1.6km far away receiving it
[09:55] <tjanos> but it teke godd pictures HI
[09:55] <tjanos> good
[09:55] <tjanos> hope, you recover it without too much troubles
[09:56] <DL7AD> i dont ^^
[09:56] <DL7AD> we have about 20 people
[09:57] <DL7AD> I am the only radio amateur handling the receiving equipment
[09:57] <DL7AD> :D
[09:57] <DL7AD> other people can climb trees (with proper equipment) much better than me
[09:58] <tjanos> and maybe you are a good organizer too
[09:58] <DL7AD> regarding the radio equipment yes
[09:59] <tjanos> What is the white construction on the left-top side on some previous pictures?
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[10:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ6OMN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ6OMN_chase
[10:03] <DL7AD> hang on. got a call. they are 800m far away
[10:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ6OMN-2_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ6OMN-2_chase
[10:05] <tjanos> Maybe this was the russian launch at Plesetck in the night, near the places, where DL7AD-12 flying now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpCc3zDulp0
[10:06] <tjanos> and was recorded in Finnland http://www.taivaanvahti.fi/observations/show/67115#1
[10:08] <DL7AD> tjanos: the white thing in the upper left corner?
[10:10] <DL7AD> the balloon is build by artists. and they have put something artistic. I dont know what it is and i also dont care ^^
[10:10] <DL7AD> it's nothing scientific
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[10:24] <tjanos> But all the project is very impressive for me, with or without any artistic additions.
[10:25] <tjanos> It seems me, it is ready to fly on another planet without any power source and additiona gas. Ofcourse need sunshine and something air athmosphere,
[10:25] <tjanos> and maybe a gate/repeater nearby a mothership
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[10:26] <DL7AD> :D
[10:27] <DL7AD> tjanos: I have given a talk last year on the conference about solar balloons. it must be online somewhere
[10:29] <tjanos> if it is accessible, put the link here, please
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[10:36] <DL7AD> tjanos: yes it should be
[10:37] <DL7AD> tjanos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQJAjDEq5AA&t=4h39m11s
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[10:39] <DL7AD> tjanos: They have found the balloon. It's high up in the trees.
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[10:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Aspel_90_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Aspel_90_chase
[10:41] <tjanos> Nice! maybe we will see on the picturs, when they get the camera/payload in their hand
[10:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PG64 PVY_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PG64%20PVY_chase
[10:41] <DL7AD> tjanos: Unlikely
[10:41] <tjanos> Thanks the link, it is shure I will watch the conference presentations
[10:42] <DL7AD> the artists are no so much open source as they claim.
[10:43] <tjanos> interesting situation, we will see
[10:43] <DL7AD> they seem to have gotten the balloon
[10:43] <DL7AD> the image looks like it
[10:43] <DL7AD> and the signal got weaker too
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[10:46] <PE2BZ> Images from yesterdays DELTA-2 launch https://goo.gl/photos/Bv3MskBqDVFRd3uf7
[10:47] <tjanos> It is/was really on a high tree
[10:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LKR01 after 0311 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LKR01
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[10:51] <DL7AD> tjanos: was
[10:54] <fsphil> DL7AD: I'm not fixing the sideways images :p
[10:54] <DL7AD> fsphil: pleeeease
[10:54] <DL7AD> :D
[10:55] <DL7AD> fsphil: and please recover lost packets too
[10:55] <fsphil> you need to print a "THIS WAY UP" image on the camera
[10:55] <fsphil> hah, wouldn't that be nice
[10:55] <DL7AD> fsphil: not my fault
[10:56] <DL7AD> doesnt matter. my artists have enough tools to rotate them
[10:57] <DL7AD> fsphil: you can revert the rule after the balloon doesn't transmit anymore. but that may take months at this altitude
[10:59] <fsphil> DL7AD: yeah will do
[10:59] <tjanos> the camera/payload is really brave, try to survive this extreme situation. Where is the receiver?
[11:00] <tjanos> in your car?
[11:00] <DL7AD> yes
[11:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[11:02] <tjanos> somewhere here? https://aprs.fi/#!mt=hybrid&z=14&call=a%2FDL7AD-9&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[11:05] <DL7AD> tjanos: hang on
[11:05] <DL7AD> i will send another beacon
[11:06] <DL7AD> done
[11:07] <DL7AD> and it landed here N52° 28.27' E014° 00.60'
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[11:12] <tjanos> it seems, the live picture stream finished
[11:15] <tjanos> Nice forest. But the google Street View dont help to look around
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[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[11:29] <daveake> LKR01 is up now
[11:30] <PE2BZ> tnx
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[11:36] <Ron_g8fjg> LKR01 434.250 200/680 8n2
[11:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[11:41] <PD3ADN> Hoi Ben :)
[11:43] <PE2BZ> Hi Arno :-)
[11:44] <PD3ADN> Hear nothing yet... Balloon Delta-2 yesterday went fantastic :)
[11:44] <PE2BZ> Indeed! Did you see the link to the album with images from the launch ?
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[11:45] <PD3ADN> no
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[11:45] <PE2BZ> Images from yesterdays DELTA-2 launch https://goo.gl/photos/Bv3MskBqDVFRd3uf7
[11:45] <PD3ADN> ty
[11:46] <PD3ADN> Great ! :)
[11:48] <PE2BZ> Do you know if the new ATV repeater from Zoetermeer has AFC for 23 cm ? It´s at 1255 MHz but I am on 1280 MHz and it shows my signal.
[11:49] <PD3ADN> ooh i am on the pie :) I was a big part away shopping so missed signal a while as when i came home it was moved out of freq range :( ! Otherwise i could have done better *lol*
[11:50] <PD3ADN> No i dont know anything yet about the new Zoetermeer project..
[11:51] <PE2BZ> np
[11:51] <PD3ADN> 7 km the blue ring comes closer ...
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[11:53] <PD3ADN> Where can you see the pie ? Also for sundays 4hr balloon ?
[11:55] <Ron_g8fjg> http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
[11:55] <PD3ADN> ty !
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[12:02] <PD3ADN> 10 km ANS had 'm once...
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[12:08] <PE2BZ> Green at -0.2 degrees
[12:10] <PD3ADN> yes i saw once 1 line to you :)
[12:14] <Laurenceb_> !whereis DL7AD-12
[12:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03DL7AD-12 is over 03Tunturi Lapland, Finland 10(68.63054,23.42151) at 0311864 meters
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[12:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Lkr_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Lkr_chase
[12:29] <PD3ADN> hear still completely nothing :(
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[13:18] <bertrik> can i still see the pie with all receivers from a flight from end of august (koppelting1)?
[13:30] <PE2BZ> PD3ADN while descending still greens @ 20 km
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[13:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K3MRP-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K3MRP-11
[13:34] <PE2BZ> bertrik koppelting is in the payload list, but did the flight have the same name ?
[13:36] <bertrik> PE2BZ: I think it was called koppelting1 actually
[13:37] <bertrik> the flights pie page times out for me
[13:37] <PE2BZ> It´s not in the list. However it looks like you can export the data in csv and create a Pie in Excel ?
[13:37] <PE2BZ> http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[13:37] <PE2BZ> does that link work for you ?
[13:38] <bertrik> yes, it loads
[13:38] <PE2BZ> At ¨Payloads¨ enter koppelting1
[13:38] <PE2BZ> there you can export receiver callsigns and time and altitude.
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[13:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-9 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-9
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[14:07] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[14:07] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Atlantic Ocean 10(17.48107,-55.03785) at 0312999 meters about 0326 minutes ago
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[15:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-11
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[15:18] <PE2BZ> !whereis ISS
[15:18] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: I haven't got a clue
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> That's the spacefar bot you want.
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[15:33] <lz1dev> PE2BZ: http://spacenear.us/sats/
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[15:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-14 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
[15:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ttntest1 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ttntest1
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[16:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W5STR-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W5STR-11
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[17:15] <PE2BZ> lz1dev tnx !
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[18:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5UEE-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5UEE-11
[18:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-11 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-11
[18:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[18:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM6DWF-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM6DWF-11
[18:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7JXV-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7JXV-11
[18:17] <drohan> Where's a good place to buy radiometrix modules in the US?
[18:21] <drohan> Update - Saw Uptronics
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[18:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-1 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
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[18:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KI7NNH-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI7NNH-11
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[20:01] <userscott2> Gents, trying to get some guidance on making a 915 mhz antenna - can't get any calculators to come up with the lengths i was expecting - 8 cm ish. Anybody able to help? :)
[20:02] <userscott2> https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/rfm69hcw-hookup-guide/the-antenna This guide suggests 78 mm which seems correct
[20:04] <daveake> It is 78mm
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[20:05] <userscott2> Thank you Dave :)
[20:06] <userscott2> I'm knocking up Lora trackers now!
[20:06] <userscott2> And daft question - but the ground planes are also 78 mm or longer?
[20:07] <daveake> yeah, not critical
[20:10] <userscott2> Thanks Dave
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[20:19] <drohan> So I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to radio stuff and I'm trying to decipher Radiometrix' catalogue of modules
[20:20] <drohan> I've stumbled upon the NTX2 - http://www.radiometrix.com/content/ntx2
[20:20] <drohan> And I'm working on figuring out the differences between that and the MTX2 (https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=62&search=radiometrix) which are what the PITS and Habduino ship with
[20:21] <drohan> From what I can see it appears to be mostly form factor (M in MTX2 = Mini?), but are there any other things I'm missing?
[20:21] <craag> the MTX2 is actually the same electronics inside just split into two boards and stacked iirc
[20:21] <craag> but also the MTX2 is programmable by default
[20:21] <craag> ie you change the frequency via a serial port
[20:21] <drohan> Ohh. But you can't with an NTX?
[20:21] <craag> NTX2B-FA you can also do this
[20:21] <craag> but not original NTX2
[20:22] <drohan> I see, so this thing - https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=60
[20:22] <craag> basically NTX2B-FA is the same apart from form factor as the MTX2
[20:23] <craag> yep that one has the serial port enabled also
[20:23] <craag> see the text description
[20:23] <drohan> Is that what "frequency agile" implies?
[20:24] <craag> yep :)
[20:24] <drohan> Cool! Learning lots :)
[20:25] <drohan> So for non-"frequency agile" ones, you have to change frequency w/ voltage going into the pins, right?
[20:27] <craag> erm so that works with all of them for modulating data
[20:27] <craag> but the frequency-agile/mtx2 you can move the center frequency
[20:27] <drohan> Right yes, I meant for those it's the only* way
[20:27] <drohan> Ohh
[20:27] <craag> yes
[20:27] <craag> but the voltage going in changes the frequency +-10KHz or so
[20:28] <craag> but the frequency-agile/mtx2 you can change it between channels over a few MHz
[20:28] <craag> so normally you pick a channel, then use the voltage to modulate data within that channel (eg. with rtty)
[20:29] <drohan> Right
[20:30] <craag> with the old NTX2, the channel was fixed. You bought one with a channel of, for example 434.125MHz, and then it was locked to that channel.
[20:30] <craag> so you could use hte input voltage to change it from 434.120 - 434.130, but no further
[20:31] <drohan> I see
[20:31] <craag> the voltage behaviour is the same on the -fa and mtx2
[20:31] <craag> however by the serial port, you can move it to, for example 434.075 as a center
[20:32] <craag> this is useful when you find out that somebody else is already using your channel on the same day
[20:32] <craag> or when there's a strong local transmitter on that channel that is interfering
[20:34] <drohan> Yup
[20:34] <drohan> Makes complete sense
[20:34] <drohan> Thank you for your thorough explanation :)
[20:35] <craag> no problem :)
[20:35] <drohan> So I'm going to follow it up with a bit of a dumb-but-want-to-make-sure
[20:36] <drohan> For the MTX2 are the pins located under the module? I see them sticking out the bottom on the NTX2
[20:36] <drohan> Bottom/side of the NTX2
[20:37] <daveake> http://www.radiometrix.com/files/additional/mtx2.pdf
[20:38] <drohan> Aye I was looking at that, I see them on the side
[20:38] <drohan> But just wanted to confirm :)
[20:38] <drohan> See them on the side looking at the top view schematic*
[20:40] <craag> yes mtx2 pins are under the module
[20:41] <craag> ntx2 they come out the side (so the module naturally sits in a vertical position)
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[20:43] <drohan> Haha I see
[20:43] <drohan> Thanks for clarifying :)
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[20:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5MASR-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5MASR-11
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[21:49] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[21:49] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Atlantic Ocean 10(11.48107,-57.03785) at 0313999 meters about 032 hours ago
[21:49] <Laurenceb_> !whereis DL7AD-12
[21:49] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03DL7AD-12 was over 03Northern Lapland, Finland 10(69.25669,26.79233) at 0311888 meters about 03a day ago
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[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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