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[00:17] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRF-6
[00:17] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRF-6 was over 03Dallas County, AL, USA 10(32.36081,-86.8579) at 0313697 meters about 0337 minutes ago
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[02:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ2MTG-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ2MTG-12
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[03:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[03:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OZBLN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OZBLN_chase
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[03:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-8 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-8
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[06:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOT-BL after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOT-BL
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[06:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[08:10] <pe2bz_> !flights
[08:10] <SpacenearUS> 03pe2bz_: Current flights: 03SP9UOB-P30 144.251 MHz CTSTIA 10(cbd2)
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[10:26] <WillDuckworth> good luck with the flight daveake - should be fun
[10:27] <daveake> Yeah, should be. Wasn't expecting to be able to fly that one for a while but the winds are favourable (it won't go far)
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[11:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[11:34] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRF-6
[11:34] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRF-6 was over 03Dallas County, AL, USA 10(32.36081,-86.8579) at 0313697 meters about 0312 hours ago
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[11:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EA4RKU-11 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EA4RKU-11
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[12:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
[12:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[12:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[12:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3S18 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3S18
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[12:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EPSOM - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EPSOM
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[13:18] <_Jordan> Hey guys, good afternoon!
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[13:19] <craag> Afternoon _Jordan
[13:19] <_Jordan> I wondered where I could maybe start on looking to set up my own listening station that automatically tunes into payloads around the UK
[13:20] <craag> So on rtty this is difficult due to dl-fldigi software
[13:20] <_Jordan> right.
[13:21] <craag> A lora listening station is a lot more hands-off, but less used.
[13:21] <_Jordan> Okay
[13:21] <_Jordan> I've used the LoRa 868 Mhz HAT before.
[13:22] <craag> And you used a Pi+HAT on the ground to receive it?
[13:23] <craag> Dave's groundstation software for that will automatically tune into lora payloads using his spec I believe
[13:23] <_Jordan> Yeah used the Pi 3 model B + HAT + LCD screen
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[13:24] <_Jordan> Oh awesome, so all I need is that, my own hardware, and a way to get on the roof
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[13:25] <craag> That's my understanding - note that there aren't as many LoRa flights as rtty
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[13:25] <craag> so it may be sparsely used - but when used it will be appreciated I'm sure :)
[13:25] <daveake> :)
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[13:26] <_Jordan> So the harder route then, for example if I was down in London listening to my own payloads in sheffield, that would be RTTY, so how do I automatically recieve on that?
[13:27] <_Jordan> Granted the LOS could be terrible.
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[13:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Biggest problem is none of the SDR receivers support any form of limited scanning, so setting up the right frequency is impossible
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[13:29] <_Jordan> In that case, if my station was semi-automatic, "I tuned into the right frequency, bd, shift etc". Would it be possible then?
[13:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> once you can get the signal within the dl-fldigi AFC range then its not a major problem
[13:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope he "right" frequency never is its often several KHz - beyond AFC range -off channel
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[13:30] <_Jordan> So I'd have to locate that frequnecy first?
[13:30] <craag> _Jordan: The best implementation I've seen has been a PC with remote desktop/VNC login, and an SDR. So you can log in remotely and set sdr# to the right freq, and dl-fldigi to line up on the signal.
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[13:30] <craag> But then of course you have to babysit it incase the rtty drifts off freq
[13:30] <craag> it allows remote operation, but not unattended
[13:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Aerial tracking isn't a problem with craags habrotate, and then yes VNC into the machine to put it onFreq and then leave it alone
[13:31] <_Jordan> craag sounds good, my dongles that I use arn't terrible at doing their job so I shouldn't experience much drifting
[13:31] <craag> I'm more thinking of hte balloon transmitter :)
[13:31] <craag> although the ntx2b is lovely nowadays
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> SDR Receiver v" and V3 support tuning and dl-fldigi does as well so virtual serial ports between them handle the AFC
[13:32] <_Jordan> I'm using NESDR SMART
[13:32] <_Jordan> Will that cut the chase?
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> never heard of it
[13:33] <_Jordan> slap that badboy into google
[13:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://sdr-radio.com/v3_help
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[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thats a hardware bundle not software
[13:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its the software that has to support the AFC facilities
[13:35] <_Jordan> Right I'm taking a looksie at this link, so if done correctly the end goal is support for AFC
[13:36] <_Jordan> or is this just SDR software equivalent for HDSDR?
[13:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes dl-fldig supports sending the AFC shifts to the software you use for handling the hardware, its that software that needs to support remote frequemcy control SDR Recever does.
[13:37] <_Jordan> so this software package that you sent me in a link... does what HDSDR doesn't?
[13:37] <daveake> Some of the cheapo SDRs drift a lot - http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=2011
[13:37] <daveake> The metal-cased nooelec one is good
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> let me see what your hDSDR does
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[13:38] <_Jordan> Yeah @daveake Number #4 is the one that I use and I don't experience much drifting.
[13:38] <daveake> No those a re solid
[13:38] <daveake> tbh these days most payloads are pretty solid too
[13:39] <daveake> So for the most part, once you've tuned in to a payload in the air, it should stay locked in for the flight
[13:39] <_Jordan> Yeah most of my lines are parrallel to eachother
[13:39] <_Jordan> So the NooElec.com one is fine for my use then?
[13:39] <daveake> a bit deaf, but yeah
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> The lines will be parallel its if the they slope together across the screen
[13:40] <_Jordan> I'm sorry about all these questions, just really curious and obviously want to bash out a listening station
[13:40] <daveake> dl-fldigi will afc within its window; beyond that it needs to ask the radio to tunbe. For "real" radios there's often a serial interface that can be used to retune
[13:40] <daveake> Dunno about SDRs
[13:40] <_Jordan> Yeah drifting isn't an issue
[13:41] <fsphil> I've gotten dl-fldigi to retune gqrx, but it's so very hacky
[13:41] <daveake> I've got a serial link to the radio in my car, buit that's so I can see the frequency on the screen (the radio is too low in the dash to see)
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> HDSDR doesn't seem to mention external AFC control between modem and itself at all.
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> it seems to have some internal AFC for its own modems but not external ones
[13:42] <daveake> I've hacked rtl_fm so it can be retuned, so #IfIHadTheTime I could do a hamlib interface to that
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup HDSDR only supports AFC internal for AM and FM not the other modes
[13:43] <_Jordan> #NeverEnoughHoursInADay
[13:43] <daveake> Plenty of hours in the day; I just can't stay awake during enough of them :)
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Try giving SDR Receiver ago, V2 is stable V3 is still beta
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> it also supports multipile receivers I often run 6 channels together
[13:44] <_Jordan> Yeah thank Geoff-G8DHE, daveake and craag :), I'll give SDR reciever a go, but expect me to come back with a whole lot more questions haha
[13:44] <daveake> I just put lora in the tracker so I don't have the hassle :)
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[13:46] <daveake> I do sometimes fly rtty as well but aside from checking it's working before launch, I rarely receive it later
[13:46] <_Jordan> I might have to try LoRa again
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[13:47] <daveake> Wasn't that on 434 but with huge image sizes - was still transmitting a launch picture when it landed ?
[13:47] <_Jordan> Yay my pi's came, 5 x Pi A+ and 1 pi 3 model b
[13:48] <_Jordan> Yes daveake thats my failure right there!
[13:49] <daveake> The default sizes are well chosen; best to stick with those!
[13:50] <_Jordan> Yeah twas simply a test, problem is my stumpy antennas just don't cut it with LoRa past like 25 km
[13:51] <daveake> Should be very similar range to RTTY
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> You will need ti the Virtual Serial port software as well I use http://k5fr.com/DDUtilV3wiki/index.php?title=VSP_Manager
[13:51] <daveake> on same aerials
[13:52] <_Jordan> So I can use the rf antennas (RF to pigtail) home made mcjigger. On the LoRa board?
[13:53] <daveake> The modulation (lora vs rtty) makes no difference to the choice of aerial
[13:53] <_Jordan> Geoff-G8DHE am I alright to come back if I don't know how this works...
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes of course usually around
[13:54] <_Jordan> okay thats good to know daveake, has 2 ground plane antennas on a payload been succesfully done before?
[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> there is a lot of setting up to do and you will also need the config files for the external control let me find the url
[13:54] <daveake> Yes many times. Best to keep them at least 1/4 wavelength apart (i.e. 164mm)
[13:54] <_Jordan> Thanks in advance Geoff-G8DHE :)
[13:55] <_Jordan> so like bottom and 1 off to the side maybe? (2 radials on the payload, 2 off?
[13:55] <daveake> Opposite corners of the box
[13:55] <_Jordan> Yeah but if I have 2?
[13:56] <_Jordan> and they can't go on the top because of the GPS PITS module.
[13:56] <daveake> Does mean you have groundplane wires sticking out sideways, so there's a slightly increased risk of stratodangle (c) Lester
[13:56] <daveake> I have put one on the top a few times, without a groundplane (as that makes it worse - you want the signal coming down not going up)
[13:56] <daveake> Not ideal, but neater
[13:57] <gonzo_> GP wires are not actually that critical
[13:57] <_Jordan> okay, so what would be the ideal set up for 2 antennas?
[13:57] <daveake> isn't one :)
[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/sdr_test_VFO.zip these handle the protocol between dl-fldigi and SDR receiver
[13:57] <daveake> Always a compromise
[13:59] <daveake> This one had 3 aerials which I tried quite hard to keep apart :-) https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/IMG_0554-e1470405013213-500x667.jpg
[13:59] <daveake> Downside - will get more stuck if it hits a tree. Which it did
[13:59] <gonzo_> GP wires: roughly 1/4wavelength. And going out from the main element roughly 90deg. But if you need to fold them back around the payload box, then prob fine. As long as they bend away from the main radiating element. Spaced roughly equal anglkes around from the base of the radiating el, but don';t get too hung up over this
[14:00] <daveake> Yeah wrapping them round the box works well
[14:00] <daveake> And they're only, at best, doubling the signal which should be pretty strong anyway
[14:01] <gonzo_> my nats have all been bits of cat5 solid copper wire. The radiating eleemnt soldered yo the NTX2 pin and the GP bits soldered to the tin can. Then bent out to the side-ish.
[14:02] <gonzo_> If your payload box is something that won't affect the RF, ug, uncoated polystyrene, then the antenann element, or parts of it, can be inside
[14:02] <gonzo_> just don't then use anything like metalised tale to seal the box, around the antenna
[14:03] <gonzo_> ug = e.g.
[14:03] <gonzo_> tale=tape.
[14:03] <gonzo_> My bloody typing!
[14:06] <gonzo_> www.g0nzo.co.uk/public/bonzo8.jpg
[14:06] <gonzo_> that was just wrapped in bubble wrap with the elements poking out
[14:12] <_Jordan> wow gonzo_ bet you got to 50 :)
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[14:23] <PE2BZ> !flights
[14:23] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03SP9UOB-P30 144.251 MHz CTSTIA 10(cbd2)
[14:26] <_Jordan> Okay so my first hypothetical obstacle is what antenna needs to go on my roof?
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[14:28] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRFW-6
[14:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRFW-6 is over 03Elk County, PA, USA 10(41.43941,-78.45452) at 0313665 meters
[14:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> _Jordan, Start with a co-linear aerial, X50 is popular
[14:31] <_Jordan> popular and good?
[14:31] <_Jordan> or is there better?
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yes, there is a wide range of collinears available but X50 is good and popular
[14:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Make sure you use N-type connectors as well
[14:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> at the aerial end
[14:33] <adamgreig> X50-N
[14:38] <_Jordan> so does the X50-N fit straight into my NESDR dongle?
[14:39] <_Jordan> using the weired pigtail to SMA connector?
[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> From the aerial, you will need a good quality co-ax cable down into the house, at the radio end you will need to "adapt" down to a suitable size for the connector to the radio itself.
[14:41] <_Jordan> It is still fine to use HDSDR for a manual set up (co ax cable, adapter, dongle?
[14:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> the type of co-ax depends on the length of run and your budget, you might also want to consider a low noise pre-amp as well.
[14:41] <_Jordan> low noise pre amp, i'll take a look
[14:42] <craag> eg. habamp
[14:42] <craag> designed for this :)
[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=53
[14:42] <_Jordan> on 434?
[14:42] <_Jordan> yeah :)
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[14:45] <_Jordan> so is thata yes on the use of HDSDR?
[14:45] <_Jordan> Any reccomendations on SDR dongles too?
[14:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> If your serious then consider one of the Airspy products
[14:46] <_Jordan> Yeah this is a serious ordeal, I'll have a look
[14:47] <_Jordan> deal*
[14:47] <_Jordan> not ordeal, this is quite the opposite of an ordeal :)
[14:49] <_Jordan> do airspy cover uhf?
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> They cover from 30Mhz upto Ghz
[14:49] <_Jordan> Looks like they don't have any "rolling" products fro uhf
[14:50] <_Jordan> http://airspy.com/products/
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> "rolling" ??? Continuous 24 – 1800 MHz native RX range, down to DC with the SpyVerter option
[14:51] <_Jordan> Nevermind Geoff-G8DHE I confused myself, I saw coloured in boxes and presumed the ones that were not coloured in wasn't supported.
[14:51] <_Jordan> weren't*
[14:52] <_Jordan> So I'm looking at the Airspy R2
[14:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I think that's the current top end device
[14:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> The mini is adequate for HAB use I would think
[14:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> depends what else you might want to use it for
[14:53] <_Jordan> Would the mini suffice?
[14:53] <_Jordan> Using it for a listening station. X50-N with HDSDR and HABAMP
[14:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I mean in teerms of other radio signals you might get interested in etc.
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[14:54] <_Jordan> I think I'll stick to 434 for now, maybe upgrade in the future bust most flights are in the 434 band right?
[14:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yup as its the ISM band
[14:55] <_Jordan> Yep just checking incase I had a brain explosion momentarily.
[14:56] <_Jordan> Seems to me that airspy R2 is very much plug in and play hardware.
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[14:56] <_Jordan> *just found* No drivers required! 100% Plug-and-play on Windows Vista, Seven, 8, 8.1 and 10
[14:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yes it is basically same chipset as the other devices its the quality and software that sets it apart
[14:57] <_Jordan> Right I'll add it to my order list :)
[14:57] <_Jordan> next up is the "quality co ax cable"
[14:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> How long is the run from aerial to receiver
[14:57] <_Jordan> I just thought that the co ax cables are all at a standard apart from the resistance
[14:58] <daveake> worms, can, opened :)
[14:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Noooo, losses vary dramtically again its the sort of thing you install once so need to account what you might do in the future
[14:58] <gonzo_> that would be the Impeadence. (Don't go trying to measure coax with a multimeter, apart for short/open circuits)
[14:58] <_Jordan> id say around 5-10 m
[14:58] <daveake> losse on long runs of lossy cable can be huuuuge
[14:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> RG213 is the top end but also the best to use to be honest once your beyond a few metres
[14:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Moonraker do it as well of course
[15:00] <gonzo_> there are other cables that are sold as low loss. But they come with other complications, such as non-stanndard connectors etc. RG213 is the best for short-ish runs
[15:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Then connectors to fit the cable - N at the aerial and adapt down to SMA at the pre-amp
[15:01] <fsphil> hey did someone mention coax
[15:01] <daveake> hehe
[15:01] <gonzo_> learning how to correctly install an N connector, is important. Very simple. but many hams fail to do it
[15:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Also don't stint on the length, as you might decide to move equipment around in the rooms later on....
[15:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[15:04] <_Jordan> okay so I'm looking for an n - SMA connector?
[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Best to go for N-type at both ends and then use adaptors down to a smaller size cable to lead to pre-amp with SMA on the end of the shorter lead as it is more flexible
[15:04] <daveake> So yeah you want a pigtail with N socket at one end and SMA plug at the other
[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> ^^^^
[15:04] <_Jordan> Right i've got a omnidirectional 70 cm whip antenna which has a connector to go into a HABAMP, would that do the trick (the connector)
[15:05] <daveake> Better than a solid connector - the flexibility can save you breaking the SDR if the RG213 gets moved
[15:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Depends what is on the other end from SMA
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> also size of the cable to fit an N-type socket
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> the N-types requires specific cable sizes or choose connector for size of cable
[15:07] <_Jordan> So i'm looking at a 10 m RG213 cable.
[15:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> You know the run length ....
[15:08] <_Jordan> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Coax-cable-10m-50-Ohm-RG213UBX-fitted-with-PL259s-Assembled-in-Dorset-UK-/282324599794?hash=item41bbdb83f2:g:PT4AAOSw241YeLCX
[15:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> No that;s PL259 connectors NOT good
[15:08] <_Jordan> Geoff-G8DHE Its a rough estiamte
[15:08] <_Jordan> ah
[15:08] <_Jordan> I'm learning.. a lot haha
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[15:09] <_Jordan> I'm after an N type connector then
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> yes and ONLY N-type others aren't good at UHF
[15:09] <_Jordan> N-type on both ends?
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I would
[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> all my aerial cables are N-type plugs at each end
[15:10] <_Jordan> understood.
[15:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Easier to re-use or plan changes for in the future
[15:11] <_Jordan> from the recieving end of the RG213 co ax cable, do i plug in my airspy or hab amp?@
[15:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> co-ax > habamp > receiver
[15:11] <daveake> Les need for a huge box of plug/socket X to plug/socket Y adapters
[15:13] <gonzo_> N types are electrically and enviuronmentaly better (I mean they are better at keeping the westher out
[15:14] <gonzo_> daveake, just get an interserioes kit, with the common barrel and interchangeable ends. Magic
[15:15] <daveake> ta will take a look :)
[15:15] <udat> daveake: got a box for that recently, all split up in setions, i can now find adapters :)
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[15:16] <gonzo_> The so called UHF plugh (PL259 etc) are often favoured by hams as they are 'easier to put on'. Well they are easier to put on, badly
[15:16] <daveake> I put this together aegs ago (and this was before it was "finished") ... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChDjugMWUAE1fLD.jpg:large
[15:17] <_Jordan> omg orginazation!
[15:17] <daveake> That's just the adapter box; there's another for plugs and sockets
[15:18] <gonzo_> I just have a rummage box. But a couple of the interseries. (Will post a pic later)
[15:18] <udat> gonzo_: seen a picture of the back of this new ic9700 2/70/23 radio thats being worked on
[15:18] <fsphil> I've got a shelf full of adapters. they keep rolling off
[15:18] <udat> and there's a flipping so239 on it
[15:18] <udat> :)
[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Not sure PL259's are favoured, just that older equipment always came with that as a socket!
[15:18] <daveake> same on my 817
[15:19] <daveake> maybe they do that just to annoy people
[15:20] <udat> okay with it on hf kit, but on a 2/70/23 radio it seems odd as that's aimed at the the people that get annoyed
[15:20] <gonzo_> I have replaced the SO339's on any kit that I can easilly do so, without major surgery
[15:20] <gonzo_> otherside I screw on an adaptor, tight
[15:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> agreed , chassis mount the fixng holes are the same
[15:21] <gonzo_> the UHF is passable RF wise at HF and VHF. But they are just nasty in that they rely on the barrel tension for the ground
[15:22] <gonzo_> so whilst they are electrically ok there, mechanoically nasty. But so many people just use crap qual connectors, put on badly
[15:23] Nick change: SopaXorzTaker -> Xanukkah
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[15:25] <udat> gonzo_: people dislike spending money on feedline/connectors then spend a heap on the latest flashy blinky light radio
[15:25] <gonzo_> note on N types.... Avoid the ones that do not have insulators to hold the centre pin fixed. The ones that rely on the coax centra to set the positiopn of the pin are nasty. The pins either retract into the body and don't make contact, or extend out and break your socket
[15:25] <gonzo_> udat, yep, see that a lot
[15:27] <gonzo_> the otjher fail is to put amplifiers in the shack. Spend a lot of money on a PA, then put it in the shack, so they can see it and keep it dry. But foirget that they are losing half of the power that they are paying for in the caox
[15:28] <gonzo_> I have long cable runs, but the PA/LNA lives in the shed at the base of the mast. So I get the best of both worlds
[15:28] <_Jordan> Right so to conclude. X50 Antenna on the roof > RG213 dual N-type connectors (at both ends) > Connected to the HabAmp (power it) > (what goes here) > Airspy R2 > USb extender (personal preference) > HDSDR
[15:28] <_Jordan> IS anything wrong with that set up?
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[15:30] <fsphil> the habamp is pretty useless there
[15:31] <gonzo_> the airsply is prob not the most sensitive in the world. So it prob will help. And has filtering that is important
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[15:31] <gonzo_> but preamps are better up at the antenna
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[15:32] <fsphil> the habamp has SMA connectors, might be a pain installing it up there without changes
[15:32] <gonzo_> if you can take the coax into a loft, or similar, and put a habamp there, that would be better. But with a 5-10mtr run, I would not get too hung up over that
[15:32] <fsphil> yeah
[15:32] <fsphil> the airspy seems fairly sensitive, but the filtering will definitly help
[15:33] <gonzo_> N-sma adaptors. But in a loft it can be accessed so linked out if _Jordan wants to get a ham licebnce and transmit on that antenna
[15:33] <gonzo_> the loft is going to be dry too
[15:34] <fsphil> my old setup was a short run of RG213 into the attic/loft, then habamp, and thinner coax down to the room
[15:35] <gonzo_> +1
[15:35] <fsphil> handy for removing the habamp when I wanted to transmit
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[15:35] <_Jordan> I need a license for a license exempt hardware?
[15:35] <gonzo_> I have habamp in the shed, lots of switching and buggeration, then sat tv CT100 cable back to the house
[15:36] <_Jordan> so swap the RG213 co ax and the pre amp around
[15:36] <gonzo_> though that is starting to get lossy, so need to add a gain block at the habamp
[15:36] <gonzo_> you will need a bit of coax from the antenna to the habamp
[15:36] <_Jordan> okay so I do have an accessable loft for the hab amp]
[15:37] <_Jordan> so rg213 into the hab amp aswell?
[15:38] <gonzo_> That could be a good move then. If you have the habamp close to the antenna, the losses after the amp are less important, so as fsphil said, you can use thinner/cheaper/easier to route cable down to the airspy
[15:38] <gonzo_> antenna-rg213-habamp-thinner coax-airspy
[15:39] <_Jordan> so lets say 1-2 m RG213 > HabAmp (power it in the loft? > cheaper co ax cable run down to the airspy
[15:39] <fsphil> you could use sma plug son the thinner coax
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[15:39] <_Jordan> so co ax with sam connectors.
[15:39] <_Jordan> sma*
[15:40] <fsphil> the power for the habamp can be provided by the airspy over the coax
[15:40] <gonzo_> RG76/UR67 type cable (5mm diam) you vcan get sma crimps for.
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[15:41] <_Jordan> oh fantastic fsphil no remote power needed!
[15:41] <gonzo_> I use sat TV coax, with nasty F types, from the preamp to radio (rx only) with adaptors to bnc etc
[15:41] <fsphil> in theory. I've not tried this myself
[15:42] <_Jordan> so the cheaper co ax with sma connectors is the RG76 cable?
[15:43] <_Jordan> And this setup will work with HDSDR?>
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[15:58] <_Jordan> On the NESDR theres a USB output. On the Airspy there isn't, what would I use to substitute the USB output?:'
[16:00] <fsphil> ?
[16:00] <_Jordan> my SDR dongle.
[16:00] <daveake> The Airspy is a USB device
[16:00] <adamgreig> what does your airspy have if not usb?
[16:00] <_Jordan> its called NESDR from NooElec.com
[16:01] <_Jordan> oh didn't see the micro USB haha :)
[16:01] <fsphil> ah
[16:01] <_Jordan> Can I plug that usb straight into my pc to use HDSDR as normal?
[16:01] <fsphil> it was made to work with sdrsharp. I don't know about other sdr software
[16:02] <daveake> You'd be better off using SDRSharp
[16:02] <_Jordan> is it the same process as HDSDR?
[16:02] <fsphil> basically the same
[16:02] <_Jordan> awesome!
[16:02] <fsphil> sdr# looks a little nicer, to my eyes anyway
[16:03] <_Jordan> https://gyazo.com/dbd4700e3d86d94800faf735f0986f10
[16:03] <_Jordan> Is there anything wrong with this setup?
[16:03] <_Jordan> Or can I start to order this stuff now.
[16:05] <adamgreig> i'd have the habamp as close as possible to the antenna
[16:05] <adamgreig> so like 6" of coax (up to 50cm is fine, 1m seems unnecessarily long)
[16:05] <adamgreig> the airspy can power the habamp down the coax, so no need for power at the habamp
[16:06] <adamgreig> don't need RG213 between antenna and habamp that way either
[16:06] <_Jordan> oh okay
[16:06] <adamgreig> just get anything short
[16:06] <adamgreig> X-50N is an N-type connector, so get an N to SMA pigtail to plug it into the habamp
[16:06] <adamgreig> and that pigtail is all the cable you'll need
[16:06] <_Jordan> any particular coax for the antenna into the habamp
[16:07] <adamgreig> you need N male to SMA male which is apparently a bit annoying to pick on ebay
[16:07] <adamgreig> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Golden-Copper-Gold-plating-plastic-N-Male-to-SMA-Male-Jumper-Pigtail-Cable-/391867731804
[16:07] <adamgreig> that, but you don't need 2m
[16:08] <adamgreig> 50cm http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50CM-RF-Pigtail-Adapter-cable-RP-SMA-male-to-N-type-male-RG58-/263169463015
[16:08] <adamgreig> oh don't get that, it's RP SMA, sorry
[16:08] <_Jordan> np
[16:10] <adamgreig> perhaps get this N to SMA adapter: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SMA-Female-to-N-Type-Male-Adaptor-/172503086709
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[16:10] <adamgreig> and then this SMA to SMA cable: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6-5-Length-SMA-Male-to-SMA-Male-Connector-Pigtail-Cable-SP-UK-Seller-/282631409044
[16:11] <_Jordan> whats the sma to sam for?
[16:11] <adamgreig> to connect to the airspy
[16:11] <_Jordan> which part of my set up?
[16:11] <adamgreig> sorry
[16:11] <adamgreig> habamp
[16:12] <adamgreig> so it's like: X50-N female -- N male adapter to SMA female -- SMA male cable to SMA male -- SMA female on habamp SMA female -- SMA male cable to SMA male -- SMA female airspy -- USB to computer
[16:12] <_Jordan> so SMA to N > SMA to SMA > HabAmp
[16:12] <_Jordan> wow okay lemme writte that down
[16:12] <adamgreig> basically the adapter makes the antenna SMA, and then you need SMA-SMA cable between antenna and habamp, and the same again between habamp and airspy
[16:12] <_Jordan> which coax should I get? stick with RG76?
[16:12] <adamgreig> the second cable is your long one
[16:13] <_Jordan> yeah
[16:13] <adamgreig> anything 50r is fine tbh
[16:13] <_Jordan> whats 50r adamgreig? ohms?
[16:13] <adamgreig> you might be able to buy long coax with SMA on both ends, but you might only find long coax without connectors (then you have to add them yourself which might be a pain if you've not done it before)
[16:13] <adamgreig> sorry yes 50r means 50 ohms
[16:13] <adamgreig> (r for 'resistance' which is ohms)
[16:13] <_Jordan> yeah thanks
[16:14] <adamgreig> if you buy 20m coax with e.g. BNC or N on both ends, just get the relevant adapters to make it SMA male on both ends
[16:14] <_Jordan> okay
[16:18] <adamgreig> feel free to post links to whatever you plan to buy here beforehand if you want someone to check you're getting the right thing
[16:18] <_Jordan> Yeah yeah, coming up with a diagram now for you to look over :)
[16:23] <gonzo_> daveake, www.g0nzo.co.uk/public/interseries.jpg
[16:24] <daveake> ah, cheers
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[16:26] <_Jordan> adamgreig https://gyazo.com/4cdd853d328b8a186011dcd7c9321259
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[16:36] <daveake> Not quite - the cable from aerial to habamp will fit directly onto the habamp (i.e. cable has SMA plug habamp has SMA socket)
[16:36] <daveake> Your diagram seems to say you need an adapter, which you don't at that end
[16:38] <_Jordan> so airspy needs to be directly after the Habamp?
[16:38] <daveake> No no, the devices are in the right place
[16:38] <daveake> It's SMA all the way aside from the N-SMA adapter at the bottom of the aerial
[16:39] <_Jordan> Yes
[16:39] <_Jordan> The lines that tell you the connections, are not needed then
[16:39] <_Jordan> oh ive doubled up on all of my connectiosn
[16:39] <daveake> You just need to note that the top cable has an adapter to get to N for the aerial
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[16:40] <_Jordan> ah yes lemme update that
[16:40] <_Jordan> https://gyazo.com/6eca2d08a4ddc2a8dab4f11d721c57f8
[16:41] <daveake> yeah looks good
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[16:42] <_Jordan> Wow thanks to Geoff-G8DHE, craag, adamgreig, gonzo_ and daveake who helped me figure this all out (sorry if I missed anyone)!
[16:44] <_Jordan> tomorrow i'll probably need help figuring out SDR# haha. but I'll run through the orders here too, as I don't want to purchase the wrong thing, or miss anything out!
[16:44] <_Jordan> have a great evening! ~ Jord
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[16:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DF3EY - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DF3EY
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[20:00] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRF-6
[20:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRF-6 was over 03Hillsborough County, NH, USA 10(42.76248,-71.34526) at 0313699 meters about 038 minutes ago
[20:02] <Steffanx> Can someone here explain to me how you guys managed to make Laurenceb__ behave so nicely here?
[20:02] <Laurenceb__> Steffanx u just butthurt
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[20:02] <Ian_> :)
[20:03] <daveake> It's taken years :)
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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