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[00:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
[00:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03gd14oug_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=gd14oug_chase
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[00:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Bell_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Bell_chase
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[01:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03mink coat_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=mink%20coat_chase
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[04:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-8 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-8
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[06:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 035552_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=5552_chase
[06:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03555569625_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=555569625_chase
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[09:25] <userscott_myloff> Morning Gents!
[09:25] <userscott_myloff> Could somebody help me - planning a launch in a few weeks in USA - I'm from UK
[09:26] <userscott_myloff> Having to take EVERYTHING including base station antenna..
[09:26] <AndyEsser> make sure you use US ISM bands not the UK ones :)
[09:26] <userscott_myloff> Hi Andy, yes!
[09:26] <fsphil> or have a US HAM license
[09:27] <userscott_myloff> Here is a copy of my current plan.. https://coggle.it/diagram/Wa284IK2OgABvi3-/5c90c462f14f17cb337cd9b951fe25a2a42ba80b817b6a6c88435c7f8d041a2a
[09:28] <userscott_myloff> Although I would totally appreciate it if any of you could cast an eye over that link.. the million dollar question... what is the defacto antenna for ground station - Diamond X30 or X50? Or something else - and for the chase car - I just can't get a concensus on a good Yagi?
[09:28] <AndyEsser> I have an X50 and think it's great, not used an X30 so can't give a fair comparison
[09:28] <fsphil> use a magmounted antenna for the car
[09:28] <AndyEsser> I have a Diamond 15 ele Yagi... but have yet to actually use it
[09:28] <AndyEsser> but Magmount for transit
[09:29] <fsphil> a yagi in the car is only useful for when it's on the ground and/or if you need to find the bearing
[09:29] <userscott_myloff> I do have a magmount whip..
[09:29] <userscott_myloff> But have no where to set up a good base station - such as an X50 - so was thinking of nailing that to the car....
[09:30] <userscott_myloff> fsphil - this is my first launch... probably aiming a bit high here..! haha. Yagi for finding it on the floor was my understanding but need to find some reccomended links..
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[09:32] <userscott_myloff> Very conscious that being in the middle of nowhere (60 miles east of Denver in the plains..) that I can't rely on any others for tracking...
[09:32] <userscott_myloff> Totally unsure that my magmount whip is suitable
[09:33] <daveake> 1/4 wave on the car is my recommendation
[09:34] <dbrooke> /HILIGHT -color %k SpacenearUS
[09:34] <fsphil> if you're mobile-only then forget the diamond X's
[09:34] <daveake> A colinear is more directional (vertically) and that's not what you need when the balloon is above you
[09:34] <daveake> Magmount should be fine but 1/4 wave better
[09:34] <fsphil> they're too big anyway, you wouldn't want to be travelling internationally with one :)
[09:35] <daveake> :)
[09:35] <daveake> And get a small yagi in case you need it
[09:35] <fsphil> yeah the 1/4 mag mount is perfect, just try your best to be near the landing area before it lands
[09:38] <daveake> Looking through your diagram, I don't see (but may be blind) duct tape, cable ties, wire cutters, batteries
[09:40] <daveake> There's a list of bits and pieces in http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732 so check against that
[09:53] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRFW-6
[09:53] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Concepción del Oro Municipality, Zacatecas, Mexico 10(24.48107,-101.03785) at 0313999 meters about 039 hours ago
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[09:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5WOW - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5WOW
[10:01] <AndyEsser> starchaser are apparently launching this morning
[10:01] <AndyEsser> with a rocket capable of hitting 100km, but limited to 4000 metres for "security reasons"
[10:01] <WillDuckworth> SB tells a good story
[10:02] <AndyEsser> the UKRA facebook page is rather sceptical of him and the project
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[10:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GRP005 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GRP005
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[10:21] <userscott_myloff> fsphil, daveake, thanks for your guidance... will adjust diagram now and have noted antenna!
[10:22] <userscott_myloff> Can you perhaps recommend a good supplier of a 1/4 mag mount which is trusted to work? :o
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[10:24] <userscott_myloff> I have made a few 1/4 wave antenna from my Habduino and PITS kits but that surely isn't suitable for the car?!
[10:28] <craag> It's not a 1/4 wave but this one is commonly used: http://cpc.farnell.com/watson/wsm-270/wsm-270-mini-mag-antenna/dp/IT44456
[10:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOT-BL after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOT-BL
[10:29] <AndyEsser> think that's the one I have
[10:29] <craag> Note the BNC connector, you'll need to make sure you have the right adaptors to match it to your radio receiver
[10:29] <AndyEsser> in which case I can confirm that it has been on the top of my car for about 2 months
[10:29] <AndyEsser> exceeded 70mph (cough) and torrential rain and inwds
[10:29] <AndyEsser> winds*
[10:29] <AndyEsser> and never shifted
[10:30] <mattbrejza> while driving into a headwind i assume ;)
[10:31] <userscott_myloff> Headwind lol
[10:31] <AndyEsser> yes... definitely...
[10:31] <AndyEsser> :P
[10:31] <userscott_myloff> Daft question (i really appreciate your help here by the way lads!) but in all seriousness, that £17 antenna will track my PITS in full?!
[10:32] <AndyEsser> LOS and quality of the TX antenna will play a larger factor
[10:32] <daveake> iirc I tested at 70 at which point they can cope with a headwind of 20 or so, but not 30
[10:32] <AndyEsser> I do keep expecting to see it dangling down in my rear view mirror
[10:32] <AndyEsser> but so far so good :)
[10:32] <AndyEsser> a proper test would be good
[10:32] <userscott_myloff> I've put a lot of effort into making my TX antenna exactly as per instructions on Uputronics
[10:32] <AndyEsser> but don't have access to a wind tunnel....
[10:33] <daveake> For long term use, the cheaper ones fall off once the magnet rusts
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[10:33] <AndyEsser> daveake: yea, I've noticed the screw connecting the actual antenna is rusting now
[10:33] <AndyEsser> so suspect it may fail soon
[10:33] <AndyEsser> would quite like to get one of the proper decent magmounts, but the area of ferrous material in my room is limited
[10:33] <AndyEsser> :(
[10:33] <AndyEsser> roof*
[10:33] <AndyEsser> not room
[10:33] <AndyEsser> ....
[10:33] <daveake> hah did wonder :)
[10:34] <userscott_myloff> I have a proper magmount with the normal connector rather than BNC...
[10:34] <Vaizki> get a metal plate fitted to your skull
[10:34] <daveake> "normal" ?
[10:34] <userscott_myloff> Wondering what the best antenna I can mount to it then..!
[10:34] <daveake> Not sure there is a "normal" connector for radio
[10:34] <craag> normal = N
[10:34] <craag> obviously
[10:34] <AndyEsser> kind of forgot when I bought my car that having a great big panoramic sunroof means less metal in the roof :P
[10:34] <daveake> heh
[10:34] <AndyEsser> craag: ha
[10:34] <AndyEsser> touché
[10:34] <Vaizki> oldnormal = uhf
[10:34] <craag> shielded banana plug?
[10:35] <AndyEsser> crocodile clips?
[10:35] <fsphil> solder
[10:35] <AndyEsser> choccy block
[10:35] <fsphil> so many TV installs here use those as a splitter
[10:35] <AndyEsser> *shudder*
[10:35] <userscott_myloff> N yes!
[10:36] <userscott_myloff> PS latest half of payload 2! https://ibb.co/nf3N1v
[10:36] <daveake> radio cross 100's of km's in the air; surely you don't even need to connect the wires in a plug ?
[10:36] <fsphil> that watson magmount comes with a BNC > SMA adaptor
[10:36] <fsphil> or at least mine did
[10:36] <Mike-SA6BSS> N -rmal should realy be a N-connector but I dont think I ever seen one on a magmount
[10:36] <AndyEsser> it annoys me that not all my RF gear is N-connectors
[10:37] <AndyEsser> I'm so crap at doing connectors
[10:37] <AndyEsser> which is why my Yagi's haven't been used
[10:37] <userscott_myloff> Sorry, SO239 connector!
[10:37] <userscott_myloff> On the Magmount :)
[10:37] <AndyEsser> need to see if landlord is happy for me to mount a bunch of antennas to the garage
[10:37] <AndyEsser> haven't tracked a HAB flight in forever
[10:37] <AndyEsser> or received a NOAA weather satellite image
[10:37] <AndyEsser> or done any of the 1090 stuff I wanted to do
[10:38] <fsphil> at least you've done a todo list. that's something
[10:38] <AndyEsser> ha
[10:39] <AndyEsser> at least in this house I have an actual 'shack'
[10:39] <AndyEsser> so just need to find a way to mount all the antennas
[10:39] <AndyEsser> ideally on the actual house for elevation
[10:39] <AndyEsser> but might have to just have them on the garage
[10:39] <fsphil> garages are handy
[10:39] <AndyEsser> but at least SE from my garage is clear skies
[10:39] <dbrooke> I'm expecting delivery of 4 6m ally scaffold poles and some T&K brackets this week, I just hope the house walls are strong enough!
[10:40] <AndyEsser> o0o0
[10:40] <AndyEsser> mind me asking how much that set you back?
[10:40] Action: AndyEsser hopes his landlady's husband is a HAM
[10:40] <AndyEsser> dbrooke: presume you have some bolts coming as well? :P
[10:41] <userscott_myloff> I install resin bolts and anchors as a hobby for local Cave Rescue committee, let me know if you want some proper bolts to hold that up!
[10:41] <AndyEsser> nice
[10:41] <dbrooke> the poles were a bit over 200 delivered and the brackets a bit under 15 a pair
[10:42] <AndyEsser> pricey poles!
[10:42] <daveake> My mast is heavily bolted to a retaining wall, made of sleepers + RSJs concreted into the ground. Seems solid enough :)
[10:42] <dbrooke> http://www.scaffolding-direct.co.uk/alloy-tube-48-3mm-x-6m-length-for-tube-clamps-and-scaffolding.aspx
[10:43] <AndyEsser> can't wait until I've bought a house
[10:43] <AndyEsser> (it's location will be dependent on good clear skies for LOS) :)
[10:43] <daveake> mine was :)
[10:43] <daveake> in some directions anyway
[10:44] <AndyEsser> dbrooke: ah fair enough - was thinking I saw them for about £20/pole before
[10:44] <AndyEsser> daveake: if I had enough land for balloon + rocket launching, that'd be good as well :)
[10:44] <daveake> heh
[10:44] <AndyEsser> I would actually much prefer to buy some land and build a house myself on it, but that will depend on funds
[10:44] <AndyEsser> and how soon Becky tells me I have to buy :P
[10:44] <daveake> Oh yeah ... reminds me ... those power lines that mean I have to launch from the field not the garden ...
[10:45] <userscott_myloff> Andy, these days its far cheaper to buy land - and a kit house. In Macclesfield up north its £3,000 an acre currently.
[10:45] <daveake> ... turned out that the electricity company didn't have a wayleave agreement on them
[10:45] <daveake> end result: they have to pay us to keep them there
[10:45] <AndyEsser> userscott_myloff: my main issue in North Wales is finding suitable land
[10:45] <AndyEsser> that doesn't have a 4 million* sheep on
[10:45] <AndyEsser> *might be an exaggeration
[10:45] <userscott_myloff> LOL
[10:45] <userscott_myloff> Where abouts?
[10:46] <userscott_myloff> Head to Ffestiniog!!
[10:46] <dbrooke> those poles are probably overkill for some of what I want but the az-al tracking yagis will need something that rigid so I just got the same for everywhere
[10:46] <userscott_myloff> It's got trains as well. :D
[10:46] <AndyEsser> userscott_myloff: buggers up my commute a bit :P
[10:46] <AndyEsser> dbrooke: ah it's not for 1x 24m pole? :P
[10:46] <AndyEsser> userscott_myloff: I live just over the border near Hawarden
[10:47] <AndyEsser> have an office in Bangor
[10:47] <AndyEsser> and currenet Client is Knutsford
[10:47] <AndyEsser> so basically anywhere along the A55 is ideal for me
[10:47] <userscott_myloff> PS on this payload (https://image.ibb.co/nomLoa/21623979_10159339051905707_1012653292_n.jpg) I found a cheap supplier of champagne bottle storage cases which gives me a good source of cheap cylindrical containers. No idea if it will work.
[10:47] <userscott_myloff> Bangor is beautiful! I live near Knuitsford
[10:48] <AndyEsser> it's rather grey and miserable here today
[10:49] <dbrooke> AndyEsser: one to replace the existing (alarmingly bendy) pole on one gable end, one for the other gable end and 2 on the side
[10:49] <AndyEsser> ah cool
[10:49] <AndyEsser> hmm... £50k for 1 acre in Holywell
[10:49] <AndyEsser> with mains water
[10:49] <AndyEsser> flat
[10:49] <AndyEsser> clear skies
[10:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RTLS1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RTLS1
[10:51] <AndyEsser> my issue with buying land is... why has not been developed already
[10:51] <AndyEsser> what if I buy it and discover I'll never be able to build anything on it due to Planning or something
[10:52] <userscott_myloff> Andy, never look for land with planning - always look for one that's likely to get planning! Easiest way, believe it or not, is not too look at all - but instead to write to a farmer on brownfield with subsidy.
[10:52] <AndyEsser> these questions are far too grown up for me :P
[10:52] <AndyEsser> userscott_myloff: yea, might have to befriend some farmers :)
[10:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RTLS2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RTLS2
[10:52] <userscott_myloff> I'm 29 and still whizzing about on old Honda mopeds shouting brap brap brap at people at the bus stop, I'm not sure why I'm even thinking about buying a field lol
[10:52] <AndyEsser> haha
[10:53] <AndyEsser> also 29... but looking down at people who do that ;)
[10:53] Action: AndyEsser is 50 internally
[10:53] Action: fsphil is older but still wants to buy a field and build an underground hut :p
[10:53] <AndyEsser> brb#
[10:53] <daveake> I dream of only being 50
[10:53] <AndyEsser> fsphil: yea, an underground lair is definitely something I'd have with any house I built
[10:54] <userscott_myloff> I know a lad who bought a 20 foot container and buried it in his yard.
[10:54] <userscott_myloff> I'll dig out a picture, it's fucking hilarious. The spiral starcase takes up 40% of the floor space at one end lol
[10:54] <fsphil> nah, no house. just the underground bit. with an old BT telephone box for the entrance
[10:55] <Darkside> with an elevator?
[10:55] <Darkside> :P
[10:55] <Darkside> good thinking 99!
[10:55] <fsphil> yep! have to dial the correct number
[10:55] <dbrooke> underground here == wet, but underground in a hill top/side would be good
[11:02] <userscott_myloff> So just to recap before we inadvertently design another underground lair, what is THE magmount antenna for single handedly tracking an entire flight with no ground station!
[11:02] <userscott_myloff> I have my vintage Yaesu radio..! :D
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[11:05] <daveake> Get the Watson wsm-270
[11:06] <daveake> As you're doing APRS too, either get 2, or one and a splitter (I'd get 2)
[11:07] <gonzo_> the main problem with hillsides, there tends to be a reason why hills are there. And you dind it when you dig down a bit
[11:08] <gonzo_> if the rig is real vintage, a preamp may be helpful, if you have/cab borrow one
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[11:10] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: yea, fully expecting lots of... stone
[11:11] <userscott_myloff> Dave, we've cancelled APRS and LoRA
[11:11] <AndyEsser> userscott_myloff: there's a place near here that has "yards" for rent, (think Big Yellow Storage but secure fenced yards instead)
[11:11] <AndyEsser> and you can get 20 or 40 ft containers in them as well
[11:11] <SIbot1> In real units: 40 ft = 12 m
[11:11] <userscott_myloff> As we couldn't get the tackle set up in time..
[11:11] <AndyEsser> always liked the idea of converting a container to a self container living space
[11:11] <gonzo_> if I read the chat correctly, you are using 434MHz tracking (pits). If you are using 144MHz APRS, then you can use one antenna and a duplexer
[11:11] <AndyEsser> Shower/Toilet, Bunks/Dining Area, and then a work space
[11:12] <userscott_myloff> We have just joined 4 x 40' containers together at home Andy to make a ballroom lol. Had to use a 14" tall RSJ to span the roof as it bowed so much in the middle lol.
[11:12] <gonzo_> AndyEsser, land is cheap. It's the permission to build that puts the price way up
[11:12] <AndyEsser> userscott_myloff: as one does....
[11:12] <userscott_myloff> Gonzo, just 434...
[11:12] <userscott_myloff> It's on a farm Andy and the old man is a keen dancer!
[11:12] <AndyEsser> ah fair enough
[11:12] <gonzo_> ok. +1 on the watson antenna, and my preamp recommendation stanbda
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[11:14] <AndyEsser> userscott_myloff: I think the neighbours wouldn't be too happy if I parked a 20ft container on the driveway
[11:14] <SIbot1> In real units: 20 ft = 6.10 m
[11:14] <gonzo_> I've done some research into undergerund building. And the best info comes from the basement building/retro converting people. Basically, ground water comes in at pressure. You can't barrier it off. So you give it a low pressure drain area and a sump, then pipe or pump it away
[11:14] <userscott_myloff> Andy - here we go.. https://photos.app.goo.gl/m1ncNC6ZI0V3NfZJ2
[11:14] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: I guess like a bilge pump on a boat
[11:14] <AndyEsser> ha that's pretty awesome
[11:15] <AndyEsser> shame about the uprights though
[11:15] <userscott_myloff> It's nearly finished now but need to take a few more photos. The uprights are gone
[11:15] <AndyEsser> ah cool
[11:15] <userscott_myloff> Let me see if I have a recent pohot
[11:15] <gonzo_> containers will rust in time. So if burying, plan to be able to access it to replace in time. So something like a concrete block lined hole, with a block and beam capping.
[11:15] <userscott_myloff> If you buy the right container (IE not a single use China one) they're made from Corten - the rustier they get the stronger they become!
[11:16] <gonzo_> But if doing that, then better to just buolld a concrete room from scratch
[11:16] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: was going to say, why not just concrete room in that instance :P
[11:17] <dbrooke> gonzo_: I already need a sump/pump for under the suspended ground floor let alone for a basement
[11:17] <gonzo_> have been invoilved with a few small underfround builds, wine cellars under sheds etc. Any water barrier system has failed in time
[11:18] <AndyEsser> think Water is pretty much the #1 force of nature you will eventually lose to
[11:18] <gonzo_> sounds like my place dbrooke
[11:18] <gonzo_> when I first moved in, I dug test holes. And they were full within 10mins.
[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[11:18] <dbrooke> and there's no mains drainage so reliant on (poor) soakaways
[11:18] <gonzo_> prob as well, otherwise I'd have undermined the whole garden (and probaby everyone elses) by now.
[11:19] <_Jordan> Hi guys, weve got a couple in the air, weve conducted a low altitude test so we didnt make any flight docs for them. They are on these frequencies, 434.250 and 434.450
[11:20] <gonzo_> I'm in a valley. And it is there because there used to be a stream. Was piped in long ago, but since then lots of the drainage has broken or silted up. So water is a prob
[11:20] <gonzo_> _Jordan, you have posted payload docs?
[11:21] <_Jordan> nope
[11:21] <gonzo_> that is required if you want them to appear on the maps
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[11:22] <gonzo_> otherwise, the best you can expect, is for people to copy and paste raw telem strings in here
[11:24] <_Jordan> so i post the payload docs herE?
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[11:27] <daveake> If you want listeners then they need to know the baud rate and audio shift
[11:28] <_Jordan> Whats audio shift?
[11:28] <_Jordan> carrier shifT?
[11:29] <daveake> yes
[11:29] <craag> yes
[11:29] <_Jordan> My carrier shift is 600 and my baud is 300
[11:29] <daveake> And whereabouts are they ?
[11:30] <_Jordan> Heading east from the Sheffield area
[11:30] <daveake> Why aren't you uploading ?
[11:30] <gonzo_> lack of payload doc
[11:31] <_Jordan> Because I was conducting a low altitude test and didnt do any flight docs for them, they went out of range as my internet dropped.
[11:31] <_Jordan> It's been a lot of unfortunate events this morning.
[11:31] <gonzo_> _Jordan, you need to fill in the doc on the habhub, then go to #habhub and request the admins to apporve the payload doc
[11:31] <_Jordan> flight or payload? gonzo_
[11:31] <daveake> No, payload docs don't need approval
[11:32] <_Jordan> Yeah thats what I thought
[11:32] <daveake> And tbh no point doing a flight doc
[11:32] <_Jordan> ebf777631afe1225f538db306df2ee01
[11:32] <_Jordan> This is for a later launch^
[11:32] <_Jordan> wrongh channel sorry.
[11:34] <gonzo_> ok, I was half right
[11:34] <craag> _Jordan: What's the callsign?
[11:34] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: which means you were also half wrong :P
[11:34] <_Jordan> BARC2 and BARC4
[11:35] <gonzo_> AndyEsser, as one of the guys here said, when I proved him wrong. "I'm not wrong, I was just ledd right than you"
[11:35] <gonzo_> less
[11:35] <_Jordan> Sorry about this guys.
[11:35] <AndyEsser> :)
[11:35] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: Fake Facts
[11:39] <_Jordan> Anyone tuned into one of my payloads yet?
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:40] <Vaizki> you have to send them to Finland for that..
[11:42] <dbrooke> _Jordan: nothing heard yet from here (Cambridgshire)
[11:42] <daveake> What's the altitude now _Jordan ?
[11:43] <_Jordan> BARC 4 on 434.450 , Carrier shift: 600, baud rate :300
[11:43] <_Jordan> BARC 2 on 434.250 , Carrier shift: 600, baud rate :300
[11:43] <_Jordan> Well thanks for trying
[11:43] <AndyEsser> _Jordan: where did you say they were launched from?
[11:43] <daveake> near Sheffield
[11:43] <_Jordan> @daveake, this is the thing, I don't have a listening
[11:43] <AndyEsser> it's conceiveable I could get them
[11:44] <AndyEsser> I don't have a way to get my radio and fl-digi working together though
[11:44] <AndyEsser> but I'll try and listen
[11:44] <_Jordan> Yeah i'm stumped over at my end.
[11:44] <AndyEsser> 434.250 and 434.450?
[11:44] <Laurenceb> wow starchaser
[11:44] <_Jordan> Yes.
[11:44] <Laurenceb> its like the british ARCA
[11:44] <AndyEsser> let me head to my car and see if I Can get them on the Yaesu
[11:44] <AndyEsser> brb
[11:45] <_Jordan> Thanks for the efforts guys so far! much appreciated.
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
[11:46] <daveake> oops http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-31126820/starchaser-rocket-misfires-in-front-of-schoolchildren-in-cheshire
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HG8LXL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HG8LXL
[11:49] <dbrooke> BBC still require Flash!
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[11:50] <Vaizki> Flash! Bang! Boom!
[11:52] <dbrooke> probably, if I could view it 8-)
[11:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RTLS3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RTLS3
[11:54] <fsphil> 9m altitude. still better than my best rocket :)
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[11:59] <AndyEsser> daveake: that's not todays launch
[11:59] <AndyEsser> _Jordan: no joy I'm afraid
[12:00] <AndyEsser> silence on 434.250 and 434.450
[12:00] <daveake> AndyEsser: Ah sorry, ooops
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[12:01] <AndyEsser> daveake: according to the UKRA FB post
[12:01] <AndyEsser> it's already made it further than any previous Starchaser launch
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[12:01] <AndyEsser> further = higher
[12:01] <AndyEsser> I did only get about 1 minute out of the FT817 though before the battery died
[12:02] <AndyEsser> and apparently I don't have the car charger.... in the car
[12:02] <craag> I thought you got a big car to carry all this gear AndyEsser
[12:02] <AndyEsser> craag: I do
[12:02] <AndyEsser> but when moving house and stuff I had to unload the big car of all the crap
[12:02] <AndyEsser> to fit other crap in
[12:02] <craag> not big enough then
[12:02] <AndyEsser> and haven't managed to put all the useful stuff back in the car
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[12:03] <craag> ;)
[12:03] <AndyEsser> craag: shush you
[12:03] <AndyEsser> the kid seats take up too much space in the back of the car
[12:03] <AndyEsser> should mount them to the roof rack
[12:03] <craag> sounds good to me
[12:03] <daveake> kids or seats ?
[12:03] <AndyEsser> daveake: kids on their seats
[12:03] <AndyEsser> :P
[12:03] <craag> get them to hold the antennas up for more height
[12:03] <AndyEsser> safety first
[12:04] <AndyEsser> craag: I'm sure the extra 2ft would make all the difference
[12:04] <SIbot1> In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m
[12:04] <AndyEsser> o0o my 3d printer has been shipped :)
[12:05] <fsphil> 4d, given all the time you'll waste on it :)
[12:05] <AndyEsser> shush ;)
[12:07] <daveake> Will it work for long enough to clone itself ?
[12:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC3
[12:08] <AndyEsser> who knows :)
[12:08] <AndyEsser> but maybe I can use it to convince myself to make progress on my HAB/Rocket projects...
[12:08] <fsphil> a laser cutter would be useful
[12:08] <dbrooke> I have BARC3 on 434.350 but still no sign of the others
[12:09] <daveake> So BARC3 would have been launched approx 11 mins ago, at that ascent rate
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[12:11] <AndyEsser> colleagues in office are suitably laughing at me for having to pop out with my laptop to try and find someone's lost balloon
[12:11] <AndyEsser> think they have images in their mind of me trying to find a party balloon
[12:12] <craag> I took my colleague here to chase chrisstubbs balloon the other week
[12:12] <AndyEsser> ah that last minute chase you did?
[12:12] <AndyEsser> how did that end?
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[12:13] <craag> he's unsure whether he thinks I'm less insane for not having made it (habbing) up, or more insane for actually doing it :P
[12:13] <AndyEsser> haha
[12:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VA2RMG-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA2RMG-11
[12:13] Action: AndyEsser casts mind back to chasing one of Steve's balloons and failing
[12:13] <AndyEsser> that was fun - annoyed I was so close to the payload but couldn't find it
[12:13] <AndyEsser> but at least I got its final resting place and Steve was able to get them to mail it back
[12:14] <craag> so transmitter failed at ~400m on descent, chris got phone call from guy with it on his roof, we met him there
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[12:14] <AndyEsser> ooops
[12:14] <AndyEsser> was he alright about it?
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[12:14] <craag> not initially - but offers of gifts were made and that seemed to calm them down
[12:15] <daveake> heh
[12:15] <AndyEsser> I guess it's a good idea on a chase to have bottles of various things in the boot to offer as bribes
[12:15] <daveake> Yeah I keep forgetting to do that. I have had beer/wine sent after tho
[12:17] <AndyEsser> must stop looking at that parcel of land for sale in Holywell....
[12:17] <craag> anyway was all recovered with fibreglass fishing rod
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:17] <AndyEsser> craag: how was he able to get the phone number if you needed a rod to fetch it?
[12:18] <craag> payload was hung down (and hit a window apparently), rest of it was tangled around boiler chimney
[12:18] <AndyEsser> ah ok
[12:22] <daveake> I had one on a flat factory roof; chute was hanging over the side at head height
[12:22] <daveake> That's one of the 2 that got repeated by another balloon
[12:22] <craag> :)
[12:22] <AndyEsser> o0o0 fancy :P
[12:23] <daveake> Had to sit through a safety video, then put on jacket and hard hat, just to go get it
[12:23] <craag> need to get the lora gw back up at farnham
[12:23] <craag> ideally on another splitter with richard's psk gw
[12:23] <daveake> 30 mins on site of which 2 mins was the recovery
[12:23] <craag> (which is currently there)
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[12:24] <AndyEsser> daveake: which was your best recovery story?
[12:24] <AndyEsser> that factory?
[12:24] <AndyEsser> or having to break out of an MOD firing range?
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[12:24] <daveake> I think the MOD firing range one
[12:24] <daveake> An old battered 4x4 was exactly the right tool for that job :)
[12:25] <_Jordan> Any luck on BARC 2 and 4?
[12:27] <_Jordan> BARC 3 is floating...
[12:27] <_Jordan> Anyone have any ideas what this could be
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[12:29] <daveake> Looks like a leak
[12:31] <dbrooke> no sign of 2 or 4 in a 1MHz span on my Airspy
[12:31] <gonzo_> the one that floated back in, probably had the best entertainment value for us all
[12:31] <daveake> Ah yes, that was fun :)
[12:31] <daveake> Electronics all fecked but I did get pictures
[12:36] <daveake> Descent rate slowing ... wonder if it got wet
[12:39] <Laurenceb> !whereis BARC3
[12:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03BARC3 is over 03Nottinghamshire, UK 10(53.27007,-0.88407) at 031986 meters
[12:39] <Laurenceb> !whereis BARC1
[12:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03BARC1 was near 03South Yorkshire, UK 10(53.40709,-1.50482) at 0392 meters about 0313 days ago
[12:39] <Laurenceb> !whereis BARC4
[12:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03BARC4 was near 03South Yorkshire, UK 10(53.40704,-1.5047) at 0373 meters about 0313 days ago
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[12:57] <_Jordan> has anyone ever seen a leaky balloon go from -2 m/s to 2 m/s ?
[12:57] <_Jordan> This is bizzare
[12:57] <daveake> Slomo video of Starchaser flight https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fuochester%2Fvideos%2F10155256034344177%2F&show_text=0&width=560
[12:57] <daveake> Seems to have parted company with chute after release
[12:57] <daveake> _Jordan: Rain + not enough gas I think
[12:58] <_Jordan> gone from a consistent 0 to a 4 m/s
[12:58] <daveake> Yep, there have been others do this before
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[12:59] <daveake> One landed then took off again
[12:59] <Laurenceb> _Jordan: maybe condensation
[12:59] <_Jordan> went to 0 at 4k, then went down to 1.2 k on - 4 m/s, no its 4m/s at 2 k
[13:03] <_Jordan> back at 2.5k travelling at 0.3 m/s
[13:03] <_Jordan> pretty confident that the gas volume is right, should be at 6 m/s
[13:04] <_Jordan> high horizontal winds after launch however, not usually enough to throw it off.
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[13:11] <_Jordan> This is just mental
[13:11] <Laurenceb> !whereis BARC3
[13:11] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03BARC3 is over 03Lincolnshire, UK 10(53.17756,-0.41619) at 032959 meters
[13:11] <Laurenceb> lots of clouds up there, entirely expected tbh
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[13:14] <pb0ahx> !flights
[13:14] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03SP9UOB-P30 144.251 MHz CTSTIA 10(cbd2)
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[13:16] <pb0ahx> !dial BARC3
[13:16] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[13:17] <_Jordan> No flight doc, just payload doc for this one
[13:22] <pb0ahx> know somebody frequentie for BARC3 ??
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[13:22] <Laurenceb> !whereis BARC3
[13:22] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03BARC3 is over 03Lincolnshire, UK 10(53.1517,-0.25748) at 034279 meters
[13:22] <_Jordan> Yep: 434.350
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[13:23] <pb0ahx> hey Jordan mni tnx
[13:23] <_Jordan> mni tnx?
[13:23] <_Jordan> Sorry I don't know what that means
[13:24] <pb0ahx> me to
[13:24] <_Jordan> what haha?
[13:24] <pb0ahx> :-))
[13:25] <Darkside> mni tnx = many thanks
[13:25] <_Jordan> You confuse me
[13:25] <_Jordan> Oh
[13:25] <_Jordan> no problem :)
[13:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SCHB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SCHB
[13:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3S18 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3S18
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[13:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[13:44] <_Jordan> pb0ahx if it lands in amsterdam, can you possibly recover it?
[13:45] <_Jordan> lol
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[13:47] <_Jordan> pb0ahx whats your receiver raduis?
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[13:51] <pb0ahx> _Jordan, sure
[13:52] <pb0ahx> what is the bd
[13:54] <_Jordan> 300
[13:55] <Laurenceb> !whereis BARC3
[13:55] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03BARC3 is over 03Lincolnshire, UK 10(53.06222,0.21188) at 038953 meters
[13:55] <Laurenceb> looks like it survived the clouds
[13:55] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRFW-6
[13:55] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Gulf Of Mexico 10(20.48107,-96.03785) at 0313776 meters about 038 minutes ago
[13:58] <pb0ahx> BARC3 wil not yet writing mmmm
[13:58] <pb0ahx> here 300bd shift 600 7n2
[13:59] <g8fjg> using 8n2 here
[13:59] <pb0ahx> g8fjg, yes thats was my mistake
[13:59] <pb0ahx> 8n2 now writing
[14:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOT-GR after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOT-GR
[14:00] <pb0ahx> _Jordan, u aspekt landing near Amsterdam ??
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[14:02] <tjanos> !payload HG6LXL
[14:02] <SpacenearUS> 03tjanos: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[14:03] <tjanos> !payload HG8LXL
[14:03] <SpacenearUS> 03tjanos: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[14:03] <tjanos> !payload ebf777631afe1225f538db306d807d09
[14:03] <SpacenearUS> 03tjanos: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[14:04] <_Jordan> pb0ahx only a possibility, should just plonk itself in the north sea
[14:04] <pb0ahx> i can swim hihihifun
[14:05] <Laurenceb> !whereis BARC3
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03BARC3 is over 03United Kingdom 10(53.03049,0.42407) at 0310384 meters
[14:06] <tjanos> !window ebf777631afe1225f538db306d807d09
[14:06] <SpacenearUS> 03tjanos: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[14:07] <tjanos> !id ebf777631afe1225f538db306d807d09
[14:07] <SpacenearUS> Flight 03HG8LXL 10(ebf777631afe1225f538db306d807d09, not approved, 1 payload)
[14:07] <SpacenearUS> Project 03Floating balloon by 03undefined
[14:07] <SpacenearUS> Window: 03Friday at 22:00 UTC to 0318/09/2017 UTC 10(Europe/Budapest, +2)
[14:07] <SpacenearUS> Launch: 03Sunday at 08:00 UTC from 03Csongrad Hungary 10(46.71216,20.1246)
[14:07] <SpacenearUS> Raw: 12http://habitat.habhub.org/monocle/?uri=habitat/ebf777631afe1225f538db306d807d09
[14:07] <SpacenearUS> Payload parse status: 03HG8LXL 10(f1ba, a minute ago)
[14:08] <tjanos> OK! Thank you Mrs Robot!
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[14:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[14:11] <pb0ahx> BARC is today a very lable signaal here
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[14:11] <pb0ahx> stable
[14:12] <Laurenceb> !whereis BARC3
[14:12] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03BARC3 is over 03United Kingdom 10(53.02485,0.52771) at 0311260 meters
[14:12] <Laurenceb> is it supposed to float?
[14:13] <_Jordan> No no not at all.
[14:13] <AndyEsser> _Jordan: congrats on your first floater :)
[14:13] <_Jordan> Yep this is indeed new territory haha
[14:13] <_Jordan> might burst in ETA 2 hoursz
[14:13] <Laurenceb> latex envelope?
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[14:14] <_Jordan> Laurenceb I don't ge the reference
[14:15] <Laurenceb> is it a latex balloon or mylar/bopp/whatever ?
[14:15] <_Jordan> latex
[14:15] <Laurenceb> ok
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[14:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03985yuw_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=985yuw_chase
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[14:33] <ilawton> !whereis BARC3
[14:33] <SpacenearUS> 03ilawton: 03BARC3 is over 03United Kingdom 10(53.06474,0.82244) at 0314333 meters
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[14:57] <userscott_myloff> !whereis BARC3
[14:57] <SpacenearUS> 03userscott_myloff: 03BARC3 is over 03North Sea 10(53.11023,1.01996) at 0318402 meters
[14:58] <userscott_myloff> Awkward.
[14:58] <_Jordan> haha
[15:02] <PE2BZ> _Jordan let it float on the sea. With good batteries :-)
[15:03] <PE2BZ> I will get it ;-)
[15:03] <_Jordan> Anyone can feel free to recover it haha
[15:05] <userscott_myloff> I know I'm banging on about antennas again, but still researching.. what is a good Yagi for the final leg with the chasecar?
[15:06] <daveake> One that you can easily fit in the car / suitcase
[15:08] <PE2BZ> _Jordan does BARC3 have a parachute attached ?
[15:08] <ilawton> Hi all. I'm a noob and just learning a few . I'm trying to tune Gqrx to listen to BARC3 - Is that possible? If so what frequency?
[15:10] <PE2BZ> 434 MHz and 350 kHz
[15:10] <PE2BZ> so 434.350 in USB mode
[15:11] <ilawton> Brill thank you :)
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[15:16] <AndyEsser> userscott_myloff: I thought more elements on a yagi would be good
[15:16] <AndyEsser> I now have a 15-ele yagi that is like 3.5 metres long
[15:16] <AndyEsser> not very portable
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[15:16] <craag> unless you just give it to the kids on the roof to hold
[15:17] <daveake> hah
[15:17] <craag> they can point it for you too!
[15:17] <daveake> exactly
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[15:17] <daveake> Give them a compass and direction
[15:17] <AndyEsser> :)
[15:18] <_Jordan> barc3 has a parachute yes
[15:19] <userscott_myloff> I will probably dismantle it a little bit for the suitcase mission!
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[15:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi. Whats the dial for BARC#?
[15:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sorry forgot the !dial
[15:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> !dial barc3
[15:19] <SpacenearUS> 03OZ1SKY_Brian: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[15:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> !dial BARC3
[15:20] <SpacenearUS> 03OZ1SKY_Brian: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[15:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hmm
[15:20] <_Jordan> No flight doc for this launch
[15:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh
[15:20] <_Jordan> Twas a spurt of the moment altitude test
[15:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> anyone got a freq?
[15:20] <_Jordan> 434.350
[15:20] <_Jordan> I launched BARC3
[15:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cool then i have a right person :-)
[15:21] <_Jordan> Indeed you do!
[15:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hope to hear it over here later
[15:22] <_Jordan> Me too, its all very entertaining to watch!
[15:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> is it RTTY?
[15:23] <PE2BZ> 300 bd 600 shift
[15:23] <PE2BZ> 8n2
[15:23] <_Jordan> Yup, I waqs just using USB
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[15:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thank you
[15:26] <Laurenceb> !whereis BARC3
[15:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03BARC3 is over 03North Sea 10(53.16807,1.14458) at 0323673 meters
[15:26] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRFW-6
[15:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Tecolutla, Ver., Mexico 10(20.48107,-97.03785) at 0312999 meters about 038 minutes ago
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[15:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what payload file should i use in dl-fldigi for upload?
[15:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> or does it upload anyhow
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[15:32] <dbrooke> so I've now received 3 out of 4 scaffold poles and 4 out of 2 wall bracket sets!
[15:32] <dbrooke> OZ1SKY_Brian: it should just work
[15:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok thanks
[15:33] <dbrooke> though you won't get the bearing/distance etc. displayed within dl-fldigi
[15:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thats ok
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[15:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> should be near LOS now
[15:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks more like 300/740?
[15:49] <daveake> Might have another go at my floating (in the sea) payload this weekend
[15:49] <daveake> Predictions looking nice for that
[15:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> _Jordan hear it now
[15:54] <_Jordan> goodie
[16:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its not even LOS yet, but getting greens now
[16:03] <_Jordan> Right guys, I'm heading off, its an issue for tomrrow!
[16:03] <_Jordan> thanks for all of the listening support today <3
[16:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> bye _Jordan will keep monitoring
[16:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wondering why habhub is not make a green line to me
[16:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i can see it gets my uploads
[16:06] <_Jordan> the payload is back over 5 m/s? Have we got some weird weather or something
[16:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> at 34km there should be no "weather"
[16:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> just wind
[16:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but it looks to be pretty calm
[16:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> burst?
[16:08] <_Jordan> burst indeed!
[16:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yep
[16:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> your tx or antenna must be realy good, still signal here and way below horisont
[16:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gone now
[16:10] <daveake> bursty, that's why
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[16:11] <_Jordan> Yeah I make em using the tuts on the UKHAS site, pretty useful if you ask me
[16:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dont think i ever had any good decodes on a 300baud playload with out LOS. Good job _Jordan
[16:12] <_Jordan> Haha And I never though anything of the new batch of antennas I put together
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[16:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> well it seems to be doing very well in deed
[16:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SB
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[16:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RELAY1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RELAY1
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[18:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
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[20:42] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRFW-6
[20:42] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Gulf Of Mexico 10(20.52274,-95.87119) at 0313999 meters about 0335 minutes ago
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[20:44] <Laurenceb__> !whereis BARC3
[20:44] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03BARC3 was over 03North Sea 10(53.18597,1.76037) at 031469 meters about 034 hours ago
[20:48] <userscott_myloff> BARC3 still holding on?!
[20:55] <bertrik> that's 40 km off the coast near norwich
[20:55] <dbrooke_> I think it just went out of range in the descent, I was the last receiver and it was close to my radio horizon.
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[21:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03rcotton_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=rcotton_chase
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[22:57] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRFW-6
[22:57] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Gulf Of Mexico 10(20.52274,-95.87119) at 0313999 meters about 033 hours ago
[23:00] <Laurenceb__> aadamson: ping
[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[23:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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