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[00:25] <Laurenceb__> http://www.hofoo.com.cn/uploadfiles/tps2534.pdf
[00:25] <adamgreig> userscott1: drop the heating pad, it will only hurt things that are going to be pretty hot already
[00:27] <userscott2> Hey Adam. Literally just deleting it now from thing as I did a timed run and it lasted six minutes before going cold!
[00:27] <adamgreig> yea that too
[00:28] <adamgreig> once you get a bit high up there's so little convective cooling that most stuff will be getting very hot even though the ambient temperature is quite cold
[00:28] <adamgreig> especially since your stuff is inside a very well insulating foam box
[00:28] <SpeedEvil> http://aurorawatch.lancs.ac.uk/
[00:28] <SpeedEvil> Or .... well.... rain
[00:28] <adamgreig> sadly cloudwatch.co.uk
[00:28] <adamgreig> huh
[00:28] <adamgreig> bit weird that that redirects to some facebook page
[00:29] <adamgreig> if only big cmes would coincide with clear nights
[00:29] <SpeedEvil> http://aurorawatch.lancs.ac.uk/summary/alerting-site-rolling-activity.png?2017-09-08T00:27:00Z
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[00:30] <userscott2> Thanks for advice Adam. Removed from Payload!
[00:30] <userscott2> Our main payload is cylindrical. I will show you my old payload that we have abandoned.
[00:33] <userscott2> This is the abandoned Payload. It slotted nicely into a fairly standard Polystyrene box https://imgur.com/a/5ex74
[00:35] <adamgreig> nice
[00:36] <userscott2> https://imgur.com/8dsO0rM 435 grams
[00:37] <userscott2> But it just wasted space and was too dopey and big.
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[03:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03candyman6$_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=candyman6%24_chase
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[04:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03q5_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=q5_chase
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[05:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK7DMT-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OK7DMT-9
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[05:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-8 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-8
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[06:13] <TT7> TT7F4 / OK7DMT-9 is up
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[08:10] <guest___> Hello. We need a NTX2B-FA module for a HAB project in Europe. Any special advice?
[08:13] <fsphil> hi guest___
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[09:00] <daveake> You need an Upu
[09:00] Action: SpeedEvil is hearing Bonnie Tyler.
[09:01] <TT7> it seems TT7F4's envelope failed at 11864m
[09:01] <TT7> now descending at 3.5m/s
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[09:43] <Upu> sadly quit...
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[09:59] <TT7> now landed on a hillside at the Polish-Slovak border
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[10:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EA4RKU-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EA4RKU-11
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[10:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RTLS2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RTLS2
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[10:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sisalex_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=sisalex_chase
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[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[11:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[11:49] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[11:49] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(14.48107,-113.03785) at 0312999 meters about 0311 hours ago
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[12:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-8 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-8
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[14:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
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[14:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ5OUZ-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5OUZ-14
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[14:36] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[14:36] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(14.48107,-113.03785) at 0312999 meters about 0313 hours ago
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[15:16] <Laurenceb_> http://ac.els-cdn.com/S0141391014000834/1-s2.0-S0141391014000834-main.pdf?_tid=79b29a5e-94a8-11e7-a0c3-00000aacb360&acdnat=1504883878_f3e4b8fbbc3551c1a1485f19a7a37c16
[15:16] <Laurenceb_> - UV decreases permeability
[15:16] <Laurenceb_> in PET anyway
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> odd
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> neat though
[15:24] <Laurenceb_> pity I can't find similar data for EVOH
[15:24] <Laurenceb_> I'd imagine permeability increases
[15:24] <Laurenceb_> as unlike PET, EVOH is designed as a barrier film
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[16:24] <Laurenceb_> hmm actually it might make sense assuming low EVOH degradation
[16:25] <Laurenceb_> I can make the numbers work assuming that the low temperature and absolute pressure does little to improve the EVOH properties
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> Add a little catalyst, get water diffusing in to photoconvert to hydrogen
[16:26] <Laurenceb_> previously I had extrapolated the published data, to low pressure/temperature to get 5 years, flight time, but there is no reason that should be so
[16:26] <SpeedEvil> (not really)
[16:26] <Laurenceb_> there are weird nonlinear effects going on
[16:26] <Laurenceb_> in a basic material temperature and absolute pressure should not change the permeability
[16:27] <Laurenceb_> well -0 the gas temperature changes it a little
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[16:32] <Laurenceb_> published oxygen transmission for heptax matches for a 2┬Ám EVOH layer
[16:32] <Laurenceb_> http://www.capanina.org/yorkhapweek/DOCS/DOCS/HWS-TP-WG3-2.pdf
[16:32] <Laurenceb_> page 3
[16:33] <Laurenceb_> H2 data -> http://www.eval.eu/media/38110/hydrogen%20fuel%20cell%20brochure.pdf
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[16:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ttntest1 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ttntest1
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[17:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DAN_AND_NAV - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DAN_AND_NAV
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[17:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[17:29] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRFW-6
[17:29] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRFW-6 is over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(16.56441,-115.37119) at 0313887 meters
[17:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LU7AA-5 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU7AA-5
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:29] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRFW-6
[23:29] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRFW-6 is over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(17.06441,-116.28786) at 0313887 meters
[23:30] <Laurenceb__> aadamson: I think maybe HIRFW-6 has lost most of its free lift
[23:31] <Laurenceb__> it actually looks to me like the expected flight time could be down as low as just over a year
[23:36] <Laurenceb__> if I assume that the permeability is similar to that at 20C and 1bar then I get about 1 year flight time from published data
[23:37] <Laurenceb__> previously I had extrapolated the decrease in permeability with decreasing temperature and pressure giving >5 years flight time
[23:37] <Laurenceb__> but its very nonlinear at >60C, so might not get much lower than that at STP
[23:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[23:49] Action: Laurenceb__ is reading a book on polymer theory
[23:57] <Laurenceb__> ok _theoretical_ models say that permeability is constant with temperature once you more far enough away from the glass transition point
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