highaltitude.log.20170906

[00:02] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRF-6
[00:02] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRF-6 was over 03San Juan Quiotepec, Oax., Mexico 10(17.7585,-96.6744) at 0314140 meters about 035 hours ago
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[00:02] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRFW-6
[00:02] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Villa Sola de Vega, Oax., Mexico 10(16.48107,-97.03785) at 034999 meters about 036 minutes ago
[00:02] <aadamson> haha :(
[00:03] <Laurenceb__> I wonder if there is enough data to say if the day/night altitude change increased
[00:03] <aadamson> same failure as the other one basically. Bit of turbulence from the weather around it that wasn't really terrible and *bang* something happens
[00:03] <Laurenceb__> pity it didnt make a year
[00:03] <Laurenceb__> yeah I'd be interested if you can see yellowing
[00:04] <Laurenceb__> also pity it takes a year to test this stuff
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[00:07] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRFW-6
[00:07] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Villa Sola de Vega, Oax., Mexico 10(16.48107,-97.03785) at 034999 meters about 0311 minutes ago
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[01:45] <stilldavid> that's it, huh.
[01:46] <stilldavid> so. close.
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[06:06] <thasti> morning guys - what kind of balloon would you recommend for a 20 g payload that will detach from the balloon at ~5-6 km altitude but should reach this height in 20-25 minutes?
[06:08] <thasti> burst altitude should be well above to not risk bursting before detaching, but even with the lightest 200g envelopes I get burst altitudes upwards of 20km in the CUSF-calculator
[06:10] <SpeedEvil> you can in principle add air.
[06:11] <SpeedEvil> But that will slow the ascent
[06:11] <SpeedEvil> large mylar balloons are almost at the 20g range
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[06:12] <SpeedEvil> https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:microballoons:data
[06:12] <SpeedEvil> https://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/projects:microballoons:foil-floaters-leo.png?id=projects%3Amicroballoons%3Adata
[06:14] <thasti> I thought about using qualatex 36"ers, with 20 g payload they have a float altitude of 6-7 km. however, ascent will be very slow then - we will need 3-5m/s vertically
[06:14] <SpeedEvil> http://www.click4balloons.co.uk/3ft-giant-balloons---clear-latex-balloon-1pc-22528-p.asp?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIspKW9vOP1gIVQrHtCh0ZTwcoEAQYAiABEgLtlfD_BwE
[06:14] <SIbot1> In real units: 3 ft = 0.91 m
[06:14] <SpeedEvil> ah
[06:14] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> if you pump a qualatex full it will burst at about 6-6 km
[06:14] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> 6-7km -*
[06:14] <SpeedEvil> yeah - more gas, faster
[06:15] <thasti> I really need to avoid bursting before detaching the payload
[06:16] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> you have to try on a payload, dont tgink it been done before at this low altitude
[06:17] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> send one up an see how high it goes, then go foxhunting for the payload :)
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[06:17] <thasti> problem is: the payload is a glider and it has to be detached in a controlled fashion, it won't glide with a ruptured balloon dangling below it
[06:18] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> othet news, looks like HIRF-6 landed last night, just 14days short of a full year
[06:18] <thasti> separation might not be guaranteed if the glider is not suspended below the balloon anymore
[06:19] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> that why you have to send a 20gr payload up so you get the burst alt from a 36" qualatex
[06:19] <SpeedEvil> thasti: timed switch
[06:20] <SpeedEvil> or some mechanical delay
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[06:24] <thasti> the separation is timer-controlled, yes. my headache is: when timing it for 5km and then ascent is slightly faster than planned, the balloon might have already bursted, which will make separation unreliable and/or destroy the glider before separation
[06:26] <thasti> I was hoping somebody could recommend a balloon solution that would achieve a burst altitude at maybe 10km or so, which would give the timer-controlled separation some margin
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[07:54] <daveake> Use a pressure sensor
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[08:42] <Darkside> or remote control
[08:43] <Darkside> (which of course means a bunch of software)
[08:49] <thasti> neither of both is an option for this launch (in case that response was meant for my question earlier)
[08:49] <thasti> no other ideas balloon-wise? :/
[08:55] <Darkside> bigger balloon
[08:55] <Darkside> detatch payload, stop caring about the balloon itself after that point
[08:57] <thasti> are there weather balloons smaller than the 200g-category? seems to be the smallest I can find
[08:59] <Darkside> 100g
[09:00] <Darkside> http://randomaerospace.com/Random_Aerospace/Balloons.html
[09:00] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> a frind of mine got a 7 gram payload up to 14km before bursting, I can email him for what balloon he was using
[09:00] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Large-36-Inches-Multicolor-Latex-Balloons-Valentine-S-Day-Birthday-Party-Decoration-Married-Wedding-Decor-Latex/32726625116.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.20.YepHCX&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10065_10151_10068_10171_10326_10084_10083_10080_10307_10082_10081_10301_10110_10303_10137_10111_10060_10112_10155_10113_10114_10154_10056_10055_10054_10312_103
[09:01] <thasti> that would be super interesting
[09:01] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> he´s in canada but I send hm a mail and pm you when I have an answer
[09:03] <thasti> thanks a lot :)
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[10:22] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> thasti: ping
[10:22] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> he writes "I used a 36" latex balloon but thought it would burst at about 15km but for some reason it only lasted to 13.3 km...... a latex balloon has lots of lift and would easily carry an extra 20 grams for a glider"
[10:23] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> if you want some extra headroom he frites there are 48" as well
[10:24] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> he did not link any balloon, I ask him where he got them
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[10:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK7DMT-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OK7DMT-9
[10:31] <thasti> cool think Mike-SA6BSS|3! thanks a ton!
[10:31] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> np
[10:32] <thasti> cool thing* - I think I can acquire such balloons somewhere around here
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[11:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N7SMI-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N7SMI-11
[11:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOT-BL after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOT-BL
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[11:25] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[11:25] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Villa Sola de Vega, Oax., Mexico 10(16.48107,-97.03785) at 034999 meters about 0311 hours ago
[11:25] <Laurenceb_> grrr
[11:25] <Laurenceb_> pity there were no lower fixes
[11:26] <Laurenceb_> kind of hard to find on the ground
[11:30] <daveake> Wut it's coming down? 2 weeks from the 1 year ??
[11:30] <daveake> That's cruel luck if so
[11:35] <Laurenceb_> well 1 year is kind of arbitrary
[11:35] <Laurenceb_> also, win for back of envelope calculations
[11:36] <Laurenceb_> I guesstimated a little over 9 months for Heptax
[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
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[11:36] <Laurenceb_> only 20% error or thereabouts
[11:39] <Laurenceb_> need an accelerated ageing chamber for this stuff
[11:39] <Laurenceb_> I was wondering if my dad or half brother could collect it, they are in Tabasco state
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> is it hot there?
[11:40] <Laurenceb_> but no fixes near to the ground makes that v difficult
[11:40] <Laurenceb_> heh
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[11:41] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> if I can count HIRFW-6 made 20 laps
[11:41] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=4&qm=All&mc=35.80463,-77.46296&q=hirfw-6
[11:42] <Laurenceb_> needs submitting to ARHAB page
[11:42] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> maby 21
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[11:47] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> thasti: he got the balloons from here, https://www.bargainballoons.ca/10Browse.asp?Search=latex+36%22&Page=1&Display=High&quickSearchType=AllWords
[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 030743000942_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=0743000942_chase
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[12:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[12:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK7DMT-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OK7DMT-10
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[12:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TT7F5 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TT7F5
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[13:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03elo_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=elo_chase
[13:08] <daveake> Hoping for a Mr Blue Sky ? ^^^
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[13:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-8 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-8
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[13:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 035015291851_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=5015291851_chase
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[13:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 035015080279_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=5015080279_chase
[13:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
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[14:33] <PE0SAT> I placed a couple of FAQ's on http://tlm.pe0sat.nl/
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[16:33] <N7SMI> aadamson: Congrats on an incredibly successful flight! 20 or so laps and almost one year is an incredible fete!
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[16:35] <Hopper> N7SMI: Is there info on this flight? You've got me curious now.
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[16:39] <N7SMI> Hopper: https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=2&qm=All&mc=55.36638,146.49572&f=HIRFW-6&q=HIRFW-6
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[16:46] <Hopper> TY!
[16:56] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> Hopper: http://hab.smithplanet.com/
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[17:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[17:26] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> wuuuttt its still flying !
[17:27] <adamgreig> .whereis HIRFW-6
[17:27] <SpacenearUS> 03adamgreig: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(13.48107,-103.03785) at 032999 meters about 038 minutes ago
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[17:28] <adamgreig> how is that getting picked up @_@ is that a log replay?
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[17:30] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> looks genuine, there is some wspr packts comming in fron that grid
[17:31] <adamgreig> oh of course, forgot wspr
[17:31] <adamgreig> intense
[17:32] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> belive its under call K4JCW on 20m
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[17:46] <aadamson> pretty sure it will be short lived. in the middle of a new tropical storm and not gaining any altitude
[17:47] <aadamson> i think there is a problem with the envelope towards the bottom of it would be mu gueess
[17:47] <aadamson> mike that is the wspr call
[17:54] <Mike-SA6BSS|3> anyway, fun it woke up for one final da capo :)
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[18:01] <Mike-SA6BSS> aadamson: any plans for a new flight?
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[19:09] <SpeedEvil> https://www.facebook.com/NWSBayArea/videos/vb.121579457917419/1600912226650794/?type=2&theater recent hurricane video time-laps
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[19:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP7PPT-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP7PPT-11
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[20:24] <KF5WYX> Evening
[20:25] <KF5WYX> Does anyone know if the HAB Modem and Tracker mobile app (android) also supports APRS by chance?
[20:27] <craag> it doesn't unfortunately
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[20:32] <KF5WYX> okay thanks - the APRS.FI website and tracker are both good options, but both require a steady connection is all. I figured this app might be a good offline option.
[20:40] <KF5WYX> restart required.
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[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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