highaltitude.log.20170904

[00:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TA1E-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TA1E-9
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[01:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03na9vy_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=na9vy_chase
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[05:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KI7CUX - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI7CUX
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[06:01] <DL7AD1> fsphil: would it be possible to implement test-callsigns on the SSDV server so those the images can only be seen under the specific URL http://ssdv.habhub.org/TEST
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[06:24] <Vaizki> DL7AD, I mean I get it.. I really do.. but SSDV porn? dude..
[06:24] <Vaizki> ;)
[06:25] <DL7AD> rofl
[06:30] <SpeedEvil> Many SSDV pics taken at altitude contain naked women.
[06:32] <DL7AD> SpeedEvil: is my bald head porn too? :D
[06:32] <SpeedEvil> https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/ thousands of naked australians.
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[07:10] <fsphil> DL7AD: I might setup a page just for you :p
[07:10] <DL7AD> :D
[07:10] <DL7AD> thx
[07:10] <fsphil> ssdv.habhub.org/dev/null ;)
[07:10] <fsphil> I don't want to separate out test, but the new front page should fix the problem
[07:11] <fsphil> https://ssdv.habhub.org/newindex.php
[07:11] <fsphil> though even there you're taking up two rows :p
[07:14] <DL7AD> that's cool
[07:16] <fsphil> it doesn't auto-update yet, I have still to write the javascript
[07:16] <lz1dev> just add premium subscription if you want to see more than 2 pictures
[07:16] <DL7AD> ah okay
[07:16] <fsphil> hah
[07:17] <fsphil> PPV
[07:19] <lz1dev> ads between the pics
[07:20] <lz1dev> hab enlargement pills
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[07:49] <Haxxa> I have been reading into LoraWAN it seems wonderful - why hasn't it taken off ?
[07:52] <Haxxa> Also looking at things network : what limits are set to ensure people don't flood the network?
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[07:54] <SpeedEvil> None.
[07:55] <SpeedEvil> That's the problem with decentralised unauthenticated nets.
[07:57] <Haxxa> SpeedEvil, would government regulation be advised or is it something that won't really take off - I really don't like the idea that there is one company dictating hw. Both hw and sw should be open for technology to grow
[07:57] <SpeedEvil> Spectrum is a shared resource. Without someone to enforce sharing, it's vulnerable to people monopolising it
[07:58] <SpeedEvil> There isn't a technical way round this, unless there is no way to alter the hardware/software, and penalties for doingso.
[07:59] <SpeedEvil> Also, mesh networks suck for more than a few hops.
[07:59] <Haxxa> SpeedEvil, what is your opinion on the Things Network and LoraWAN?
[08:00] <SpeedEvil> It's in principle great until it gets congested.
[08:01] <Haxxa> SpeedEvil, use more bandwidth?
[08:01] <SpeedEvil> There isn't more.
[08:01] <Haxxa> SpeedEvil, thats the problem with IoT in general really then - no network has unlimited resources
[08:01] <SpeedEvil> The legal bands are few in number.
[08:02] <bertrik> LoRa uses a relatively large physical bandwidth for relatively low throughput
[08:02] <SpeedEvil> It can in general work with small distances to nodes that then hop off ontoothernetworks
[08:04] <Haxxa> Also I keep seeing tests that say Lora gets (insert ridiculously high number) of kilometres of range. There is a Lora node within 7km to me does that mean I can just add an RFM95 or SX1278 and start getting free data transfer for my sensors?
[08:04] <bertrik> and there are a couple of other competing technologies, all fighting to be the next big thing, like sigfox and "narrow-band iot"
[08:04] <SpeedEvil> If there are few enough adopters*data transfer per user, it can work over wider areas.
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[08:05] <SpeedEvil> But, eventually the noise (either in terms of explicit contention) or simply background RFI in band gets too large if it's widely adopted
[08:05] <Haxxa> bertrik, my suggestion is to make a new standard fixing all the problems with the other standards and thus there will only be one standard
[08:05] <SpeedEvil> Haxxa: you can't.
[08:05] <Haxxa> (insert relevant xkcd)
[08:05] <SpeedEvil> You're limited by physics.
[08:06] <SpeedEvil> (60GHz helps a lot, but that's not here yet)
[08:06] <Haxxa> (been facetious)
[08:06] <Haxxa> SpeedEvil, 60ghz has like 2m range
[08:06] <SpeedEvil> In principle, mesh can work lots better at 60Ghz as the range kills the problem of distant interferers.
[08:06] <SpeedEvil> ^as the low range due to oxygenabsorbtion
[08:07] <bertrik> there are a couple of commercial providers for LoRaWAN here in the netherlands, but it feels like they're only doing it to not miss out on the possibly next-big-thing. Also they have a relatively expensive subscription model.
[08:09] <SpeedEvil> In some countries, mobile is the way to go
[08:09] <bertrik> what I see happening, is that businesses usually don't need WAN coverage over a huge range, so they just use the LoRaWAN technology but keep the gateways under their own control and so they don't have subscription costs.
[08:09] <SpeedEvil> As the plans are veryinexpensive
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[08:11] <fsphil> solution looking for a problem?
[08:13] <fsphil> a national network is only useful if the small device is mobile
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[08:13] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: or if you're installing lots of them and don't want to fuck with stuff.
[08:14] <bertrik> Haxxa: there is a the-things-network gateway at about 1 km distance from my house, with other buildings in between, at an antenna height of 25m. About half of the packets I send at the highest data rate arrives at the gateway.
[08:15] <Haxxa> bertrik, 25m antenna - do you live in a tv station?
[08:15] <Haxxa> *12.5m still insane
[08:15] <bertrik> I mean the gateway antenna is at 25m, my appartment is at +2 m or so
[08:16] <Haxxa> oh ok
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[08:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[08:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
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[09:22] <bertrik> Haxxa: there was a test flight using LoRaWAN ("TheThingsNetwork") for tracking a balloon flight two weeks ago. I wrote a bridge application to make the balloon and LoRaWAN gateways also appear on the habhub tracker page.
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[09:24] <Haxxa> bertrik, nice was it picked up by different gateways worldwide
[09:26] <bertrik> mostly in the netherlands, but it also was received by thethingsnetwork gateways in south of england, denmark and poland
[09:26] <bertrik> the highest number of simultaneous receivers was about 150/160
[09:28] <bertrik> there is some information about the flight on http://koppelting.lowpower.space/
[09:28] <bertrik> we should have made some screenshots too
[09:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[10:27] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:27] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03TT7F3 10(dc77), 03SP9UOB-P30 144.251 MHz CTSTIA 10(cbd2)
[10:35] <PE2BZ> bertrik what was the flight date ? I seem to have forgotten. I try to find my hab screenshots
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[10:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5MASR-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5MASR-11
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[11:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOT-BL after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOT-BL
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[11:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[11:40] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRFW-6
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Namiquipa, Chih., Mexico 10(29.14774,-107.03785) at 0314110 meters about 0311 hours ago
[11:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:50] <bertrik> PE2BZ: august 26
[11:50] <PE2BZ> tnx
[12:00] <PE2BZ> bertrik sorry, not saved....
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[12:16] <Laurenceb> is there going to be a conference this year?
[12:17] <AndyEsser> doesn't appear so
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> I recall discussion a couple of months ago that seemed to sayno,as nobody was up for organising one.
[12:17] <AndyEsser> there was a call for help months ago
[12:17] <AndyEsser> but it appears it wasn'ta ll that succesful
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[12:20] <Laurenceb> ah, shame
[12:20] <Laurenceb> I'm too busy to organise too :-/
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[12:25] <fsphil> there's still time if someone's up for it
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[12:28] <AndyEsser> all we need is a pub with a suitable large area for us all to congregate and drink
[12:28] <AndyEsser> :)
[12:30] <acid3> and drink and drink and drink..
[12:32] <fsphil> then end with a big drunk fight over how to properly say "rtty". It's R.T.T.Y. btw
[12:33] <Upu> I prefer Arr Tittie
[12:34] <Darkside> did you know TI calculators could do TTYs?
[12:34] <Darkside> TITTYs
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[12:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KI7CUX after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI7CUX
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[12:58] <gonzo_> writty, with a long rolling R
[13:00] <gonzo_> (and I throuw the first punch)
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[13:48] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRF-6
[13:48] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRF-6 was over 03Buenaventura, Chihuahua, Mexico 10(29.83697,-107.18163) at 0314193 meters about 0314 hours ago
[13:50] <fsphil> still going, nice
[13:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[13:50] <AndyEsser> what's the duration record atm?
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[13:54] Nick change: Wiktor -> nikt
[13:54] Nick change: nikt -> Wiktor
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[14:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KI7CUX_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI7CUX_chase
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[15:10] <aadamson> AndyEsser, needs about 15 days to make a year aloft
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[15:10] <aadamson> and about 80000km to make 1,000,000km
[15:12] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRF-6
[15:12] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRF-6 was over 03Buenaventura, Chihuahua, Mexico 10(29.83697,-107.18163) at 0314193 meters about 0316 hours ago
[15:12] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRFW-6
[15:12] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Mazapil, Zac., Mexico 10(24.02274,-101.37119) at 0314110 meters about 0320 minutes ago
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[16:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03XSky3 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XSky3
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[17:22] <DL7AD> hi
[17:23] <fsphil> altitude
[17:24] <stilldavid> ballooning
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[17:24] <DL7AD> did anybody have the problem so far, that dl-fldigi (and fldigi too) couln't decode RTTY anymore? I have connected two computers to each other running fldigi and the other decoded gibberish.
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> parity/bits/...?
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[17:27] <LazyLeopard> audio levels/distortion?
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[17:28] <DL7AD> i have set multiple parity bits configurations currently 45.45 5n2 on both computer with are connected with an audio cable
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> What does the waterfall look like
[17:32] <DL7AD> http://imgur.com/a/CdAxS
[17:32] <DL7AD> http://i.imgur.com/yUiBUrU.png
[17:33] <DL7AD> one is transmitting one receiving
[17:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
[17:42] <DL7AD> settings http://i.imgur.com/k0NIHg2.png http://i.imgur.com/ajoMpUY.png
[17:43] <DL7AD> and that is the result http://i.imgur.com/YIlSSo4.png http://i.imgur.com/XTKs9OO.png
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[17:48] <DL7AD> and if i transmit data from my tracker, none of both computers can decode it
[17:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
[17:58] <PE2BZ> Windows or Linux ?
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[17:59] <DL7AD> PE2BZ: linux
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[17:59] <DL7AD> i figured out that the windows version works with wine -.-
[18:00] <DL7AD> but just on my notebook not on my desktop computer
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[18:00] <DL7AD> and the original linux builds dont work on both computers
[18:00] <PE2BZ> Windows sometimes gives decoder /demodulation problems when not started as administrator. That´s why I was asking
[18:01] <DL7AD> ah okay
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[18:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03110583_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=110583_chase
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[18:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EA4RKU-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EA4RKU-11
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[19:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL7AD - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL7AD
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[21:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PYSY after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PYSY
[21:43] Nick change: laurence_ -> Laurenceb__
[21:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ttntest1 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ttntest1
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[22:36] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRF-6
[22:36] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRF-6 was over 03Ocampo Municipality, Tamaulipas, Tamaulipas, Mexico 10(22.86026,-99.48141) at 0314325 meters about 034 hours ago
[22:37] <stilldavid> coming up on a year, yeah?
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[22:45] <daveake> 20th I think, so just over 2 weeks away
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[23:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[23:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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