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[04:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DK3SB-5 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK3SB-5
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[05:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILOT-GR after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOT-GR
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[05:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[06:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK7DMT-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OK7DMT-12
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[06:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TT7F2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TT7F2
[06:27] <TT7> TT7F2 is up
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[06:44] <Mike-SA6BSS> gl!!
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[06:55] <Mike-SA6BSS> TT7: listing in on web sdr , what freq 434.264?
[06:55] <TT7> 434.319
[06:56] <TT7> 300 baud 850 shift 8n2
[06:56] <TT7> thanks Mike-SA6BSS
[06:56] <TT7> it still is in my vicinity and another image should start 9:00
[07:00] <Mike-SA6BSS> ok, nothin in the waterfall yet, i´m on a web sdr west of Wiena
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[07:02] <TT7> cool that is along the path
[07:03] <TT7> it's still only at 2.5km and the antenna is a 2m dipole, so the radiation pattern won't be ideal at 434MHz
[07:04] <Mike-SA6BSS> ok
[07:08] <TT7> next image at 9:30
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[07:26] <Mike-SA6BSS> TT7: you should get an announcement on http://sp7pki.iq24.pl/default.asp?grupa=230409 for more listeners from Poland
[07:26] <Mike-SA6BSS> might be a bit late for this launch but for the next on
[07:26] <Mike-SA6BSS> e
[07:27] <TT7> will do next time
[07:28] <TT7> I always had a lot of listeners from Poland on my up and down flights
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[07:29] <TT7> today's path isn't probably the best for them
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[07:29] <Mike-SA6BSS> no, going stright south
[07:30] <Mike-SA6BSS> here is the link for the web sdr http://sdr.packetradio.at:8901/
[07:30] <TT7> I sent an anouncement to the UKHAS google group yesterday evening, but it hasn't gotten through yet apparently
[07:30] <Mike-SA6BSS> I have to go to work in a moment
[07:31] <TT7> thanks I'll give it a go
[07:32] <Mike-SA6BSS> I now see it in the waterfall
[07:36] <TT7> I can still see the signal directly, but it's too weak for a decode
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[08:07] <TT7> a complete image thanks to OM1ATS. great
[08:08] <TT7> seems the signal is fine. just my rx setup sucks
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[08:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ttntest1 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ttntest1
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[10:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC8
[10:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Test1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Test1_chase
[10:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Wbp123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Wbp123_chase
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[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[11:24] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRFW-6
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(16.48107,-145.03785) at 0313999 meters about 038 hours ago
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[11:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[12:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TA1IG-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TA1IG-9
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[12:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC1 after 0314 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC1
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[12:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BCHAB1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BCHAB1
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[12:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC2 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC2
[12:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC3
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[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0HIP-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
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[13:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC4 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC4
[13:17] Nick change: uwe_ -> uwe
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[13:36] <pb0ahx> !flights
[13:36] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03TT7F1 10(9e19), 03SP9UOB-P30 144.251 MHz CTSTIA 10(cbd2)
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[13:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KC1EAI after 038 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC1EAI
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[14:58] <DL7AD1> fsphil: you are a genius :D the SSDV algorithm fixes all my camera problems xD
[14:58] <DL7AD1> well almost
[14:58] <DL7AD1> it filters a lot of broken pictures
[14:59] <fsphil> almost a genius? or almost all the problems? I need to know! ;)
[15:01] <jiffe> maybe if you were a full genius you'd already know
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[15:03] <fsphil> whoa
[15:04] <DL7AD1> fsphil: I have a problem with the DMA transfer. it messes up the images sometimes. but I can filter a lot of bad images with the SSDV algorithm. I thought it was good but just in that moment, when I wrote the message, the first bad picture came through ^^
[15:04] <fsphil> there's always one
[15:04] <fsphil> not all errors can be detected
[15:04] <DL7AD1> I think the problem is burned deep inside the hardware and I cannot do anything
[15:05] <DL7AD1> hardware bug
[15:05] <DL7AD1> are rather silicon bug
[15:05] <fsphil> is it sending bad data? any way to check, logic analyser maybe?
[15:07] <DL7AD1> fsphil: that could be. but it's hard to say. the camera has a 0.5mm pitch
[15:07] <DL7AD1> so its very hard to solder
[15:08] <fsphil> I can imagine
[15:08] <DL7AD1> if I would increase the clock of the DMA, it would work (I think) but that would waste a lot of power
[15:09] <fsphil> wouldn't it be offset by the shorter transfer time?
[15:09] <DL7AD1> it's already JPEG
[15:10] <DL7AD1> and I think there are only some bytes scrambled or lost. but I would say rather scrambled than lost because i'm sure that would have been detected by SSDV (if the image would missing a byte)
[15:11] <fsphil> not always
[15:12] <DL7AD1> good to know
[15:12] <fsphil> most of the errors its detecting are probably invalid huffman codes
[15:13] <fsphil> but some errors will still look like valid data
[15:13] <DL7AD1> yes. and that's the problem.
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[15:14] <fsphil> without some kind of CRC there's not much you can do
[15:14] <DL7AD1> fsphil: do cameras have CRC?
[15:14] <fsphil> none that I've used
[15:15] <DL7AD1> i looked for it in the datasheet but couldn't find any trace
[15:15] <fsphil> I think I have the model you have at home, but havne't tried it
[15:15] <DL7AD1> it's an OV5640
[15:15] <fsphil> hmm maybe not
[15:15] <DL7AD1> no. I switched from the OV2640
[15:16] <fsphil> yes that's the one I have
[15:16] <fsphil> did that have the same dma problem?
[15:16] <DL7AD1> kinda. but I used a different method.
[15:16] <DL7AD1> do you know DCMI?
[15:17] <fsphil> I do
[15:17] <DL7AD1> that chip doesn't have DCMI
[15:17] <fsphil> I've heard that's not good for jpeg data
[15:17] <DL7AD1> it's very good for JPEG data. DCMI works very well.
[15:18] Nick change: DL7AD1 -> DL7AD
[15:18] <fsphil> doesn't it expect a fixed number of bytes per image?
[15:18] <DL7AD> what?
[15:19] <DL7AD> the algorithm? the camera transmits a variable amount of data
[15:19] <fsphil> the DCMI interface
[15:20] <DL7AD> no.
[15:20] <fsphil> I might have misunderstood it. I thought it only worked well with raw images with fixed number of bytes per pixel
[15:21] <DL7AD> no. I have captured JPEG data since my first image tracker
[15:22] <fsphil> I need to take another look at it
[15:22] <DL7AD> do you decode the picture in the SSDV algorithm somewhere to RGB?
[15:22] <fsphil> no, it goes as far as the DCT coefficients
[15:22] <DL7AD> ah okay
[15:23] <DL7AD> that one is using DCMI with JPEG: https://github.com/DL7AD/pecanpico8/blob/master/software/drivers/ov2640.c
[15:23] <fsphil> if you write a DCT transform then it would be very easy to get RGB
[15:25] <DL7AD> okay. I will consider this (if there is no other way to detect those bad pictures)
[15:26] <DL7AD> fsphil: have a look at picture 28
[15:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0YD-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0YD-12
[15:26] <DL7AD> SSDV says 0 missing but it seems to be, there is one stripe missing
[15:26] <fsphil> yeah that's missing from the original jpeg
[15:27] <fsphil> everything's been shifted left after the glitch
[15:27] <DL7AD> it's there a way to detect this easily?
[15:28] <fsphil> the number of MCUs in a JPEG is predictable, if the actual amount doesn't match then you could drop the image
[15:28] <fsphil> in that image the number of MCUs will be less than expected
[15:29] <fsphil> that still wouldn't catch every error
[15:33] <DL7AD> but that's a good way to start
[15:33] <fsphil> https://github.com/fsphil/ssdv/blob/master/ssdv.c#L672-L674
[15:33] <fsphil> iirc, this code normally doesn't run since it will detect the end of image by counting MCU blocks
[15:34] <fsphil> if it reads this, it's gone too far. worth trying this
[15:34] <fsphil> I tried breaking a jpeg to test it, but it fails before it even gets that far
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[15:39] <DL7AD> fsphil: thanks
[15:40] <DL7AD> fsphil: so just add a return SSDV_EEROR?
[15:40] <DL7AD> no because then I would get this error always at the end
[15:41] <fsphil> the encoder ends before it gets to the EOI marker
[15:41] <fsphil> for normal images
[15:41] <fsphil> it should only read the EOI marker if something has gone wrong
[15:46] <fsphil> this is where it normally ends: https://github.com/fsphil/ssdv/blob/master/ssdv.c#L578-L584
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[15:53] <DL7AD> fsphil: now quite a lot images broke
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[15:56] <fsphil> there may have been more errors than you thought
[15:56] <fsphil> or the camera isn't ending the image correctly
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[16:09] <DL7AD> fsphil: btw. is it a problem flooding the server with images?
[16:14] <DL7AD> fsphil: i have increased the µC clock by 2 and the last 40 pictures don't have a single error
[16:15] <DL7AD> so i would exclude that this is an error by the camera
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[23:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[23:44] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRFW-6
[23:44] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(21.93941,-143.70452) at 0314332 meters about 0314 minutes ago
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