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[00:02] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRFW-6
[00:02] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(15.48107,-143.03785) at 0313999 meters about 032 hours ago
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[00:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DK3SB-5 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK3SB-5
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[06:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LoRaHAB2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LoRaHAB2
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[08:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[09:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PILOT-GR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILOT-GR
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[10:37] <K6sts> Help
[10:38] <Mike-SA6BSS> Are u in Huston :) ?
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[11:11] <pb0ahx> !flights
[11:11] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03LoRaHAB2 10(3b2a), 03TT7F1 10(9e19), 03SP9UOB-P30 144.251 MHz CTSTIA 10(cbd2)
[11:11] <pb0ahx> !dial 3b2a
[11:11] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03LoRaHAB2 10(3b2a): 03434.397847 MHz
[11:12] <pb0ahx> !payload 3b2a
[11:12] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03LoRaHAB2 10(3b2a) 03$$LoRaHAB2 - 03LoRaTracker HAB2 software - 03434.4 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/366Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[11:28] <pb0ahx> the lora frequentie for LoraHab2 is that 434.500 ??
[11:31] <PE2BZ> no. 434.400 both rtty and lora after each other
[11:31] <PE2BZ> lorahab2 is up in the UK but only one receiver ? Has holiday ended ?
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[11:37] <g8fjg> lorahab 434.398 100/370 7n2
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[11:39] <g8fjg> rtty every 1min? pips on mark
[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[11:51] <PE2BZ> sounds right. And lora in between, the other half minute
[11:52] <g8fjg> lora 434.405 m2 for me very weak
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[11:59] <g8fjg> not m2 ?
[12:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ttntest1 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ttntest1
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[12:08] <PE2BZ> g8fjg what is m2
[12:09] <g8fjg> mode 2
[12:09] <g8fjg> only crc fails here
[12:09] <PE2BZ> could that be an X121 test on the ground ? lorahab is not mode2
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[12:09] <PE2BZ> and not supposed to be at 405 either
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[12:13] <g8fjg> my lora keeps retuning to 434.405 but only crc fails
[12:14] <PE1ANS_> LoRa Bandwidth 62.5Khz, Spreading factor 8, CodeRate 4:5, Optimisation off. explicit mode
[12:15] <g8fjg> thats what I have
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[12:26] <PE2BZ> so that´s not mode2
[12:26] <PE2BZ> but I have to wait some more time to get it in reach. And I am at work ;-)
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[12:45] <Ian_> PE2BZ today is the UK holiday. Next public holiday is Christmas day + Boxing day 24 + 25 December.
[12:46] <Ian_> Wx no rain today . . . odd for a public/bank holiday.
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[12:47] <fsphil> raining here
[12:47] <daveake> You're lucky
[12:47] <daveake> Hot and sunny here
[12:47] <daveake> Horrible
[12:47] <Ian_> :)
[12:54] <fsphil> how will you manage
[12:54] <fsphil> #prayfordave
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[12:59] <daveake> Just need to hold out for a few more, long, hours
[13:01] <g8fjg> daveake are you using,,,, 62.5Khz, Spreading factor 8, CodeRate 4:5, Optimisation off. explicit mode for lorahab2?
[13:01] <Laurenceb__> any photos from Babs yet?
[13:01] <daveake> g8fjg: Yes
[13:01] <g8fjg> thanks...must be my usual qrm
[13:02] <daveake> With those settings it saw packets OK, without CRC errors
[13:02] <g8fjg> cheers
[13:02] <daveake> However they wouldn't upload as the sentence has no linefeed and has extra $$ at the beginning
[13:03] <daveake> So I've done a quick hack to skip the $$s and add the LF
[13:04] <daveake> I assume the $$ thing is a hangover from adding them to the RTTY (where they do have a use)
[13:04] <g8fjg> thats why I've not shown on map ....
[13:05] <daveake> If you edit gateway.c, there are 2 bits to change (but remember to change them back after this flight!)
[13:05] <daveake> Line 953 needs to be startmessage = Message+2;
[13:05] <g8fjg> on lora gateway I see snrs of 2 to 4 but no decodes in the box
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[13:06] <g8fjg> danger zone for me
[13:06] <daveake> up to you :)
[13:07] <daveake> The other mode is to add a line after 954 (endmessage = ...), so you have:
[13:07] <daveake> endmessage = strchr( startmessage, '\n' );
[13:07] <daveake> if (endmessage == NULL) endmessage = strchr(startmessage, 0);
[13:08] <Vaizki> git branch it? :)
[13:09] <Vaizki> (I don't need it, I'm faaaaar away as usual)
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[13:12] <daveake> Hideous idea :p
[13:12] <daveake> I'll do it properly ...
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[13:17] <daveake> New version 1.8.8 up now https://github.com/PiInTheSky/lora-gateway
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[13:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK7DMT-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OK7DMT-7
[13:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TT7F3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TT7F3
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[13:54] <GW7HPW> Just got back, loverly day on the mountain.
[13:55] <GW7HPW> As for the $$ at the beginning, its actually $$$. All the LoRa packets on the tracker are preceded by 3 bytes.
[13:55] <GW7HPW> Packet Type, Packet destination and packet source.
[13:57] <GW7HPW> For the purposes of sending out the HAB payload the addressing those 3 bytes are not sent.
[13:58] <g8fjg> daveake thanks v1.8.8
[13:58] <GW7HPW> The receiver parser when it sees the $ packet simply ignores any subsequent $ characters until a non $ character appears.
[14:00] <GW7HPW> The decodes you see from me are simply the whole received LoRa packet sent as AFSK RTTY into FLDIGI.
[14:01] <GW7HPW> The 'extra' $ are then quite handy.
[14:03] <Mike-SA6BSS> if it makes it acriss N sea I´m ready :)
[14:03] <Mike-SA6BSS> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=3891a67570626c8b12ea6e5c0ef52e38581fb733
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[14:06] <GW7HPW> The receiver is simply an Arduino Pro Mini and a DRF1278F.
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[14:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TT7F2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TT7F2
[14:07] <GW7HPW> I have just lost the SF8 packets at my home QTH, Cardiff, I would have expected a bit better range.
[14:08] <GW7HPW> However there is also a binary location packet being sent on 434.300MHz at SF12.
[14:10] <GW7HPW> That I can still hear @ SNR -11dB, limit is -20dB.
[14:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK7DMT-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OK7DMT-12
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[14:22] <g8fjg> afk bbq and beers
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[14:30] <PE2BZ> GW7HPW the batteries look OK for the trip :-)
[14:31] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRFW-6
[14:31] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(15.85607,-143.87119) at 0314443 meters about 0311 hours ago
[14:36] <GW7HPW> PE2BZ The GPS is in standard cyclic mode, lookin at the SAT numbers it could well be used in software powerdown mode.
[14:37] <GW7HPW> PE2BEZ, the UBLOX then drops to around 100uA.
[14:38] <PE2BZ> I was a bit worried about AAA batteries and the time it would take to get in my reception range. But it looks like you have a good design
[14:39] <GW7HPW> Some interesting results by adding an LNA, the G4DDK one. I am seeing a reported increase in RX SNR of around 10dB.
[14:40] <g8fjg> GW7HPW can lora decode the sig on 434.300?
[14:43] <GW7HPW> g8fjg Sure it can. That high SF12 packet is really designed for ground level searching, it should have around 3 times the range of the SF8 one.
[14:43] <g8fjg> what lora settings
[14:45] <GW7HPW> My receivers can flip between tracker (flight) mode and search mode. Diffrerent LoRa settings of course.
[14:46] <GW7HPW> So since you have to flip LoRa settings, you might as well change frequencies too.
[14:46] <EwanP> daveak thanks for v1.8.8, now to see if it gets as far as Norfolk
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[14:47] <g8fjg> have multiple lora rx's here
[14:47] <g8fjg> and multi antenna
[14:48] <PE2BZ> So if GW7HPW could paste the settings for the SF12 channel I can setup my seconde LoRa gateway.
[14:48] <g8fjg> and multi beers
[14:48] <PE2BZ> They share one antenna
[14:48] <PE2BZ> g8fjg cheers
[14:48] <g8fjg> ;_)(
[14:48] <GW7HPW> The serach mode packet is on 434.300Mhz, Bandwidth 62.5kHz, Spreading Factor 12, CR4:5, Optimisation on.
[14:49] <PE2BZ> thanks !
[14:50] <GW7HPW> Its binary, Lat (float 4bytes), Lon (float 4 bytes), Alt (unsigned int 2 bytes), Status (1 byte).
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[14:53] <GW7HPW> You could send the ground level search packet as CSV, as per a HAB packet, which would be easier to decode and see.
[14:54] <GW7HPW> But it would take a lot longer and thus use more battery power.
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[14:57] <GW7HPW> Incidently one change in this LoRaTracker Arduino software is that both TX and RX calculate the required optimisation state.
[14:58] <GW7HPW> So you dont need to know it or set it manually.
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[15:05] <g8fjg> PE2BZ Ben, hepburn index for tuesday morning looks interesting...might be worth a try..
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[15:06] <PE2BZ> ron I think I keep the setup with 2 RX on one antenna for tonight.
[15:06] <g8fjg> ok
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[15:07] <GW7HPW> For the search mode packet you will alos need to stip the first 3 bytes also, these identify the packet;
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[15:07] <g8fjg> bang over ON
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[15:09] <GW7HPW> First byte, Packet type 's', Destination '*' (Broadcast), Source '1'
[15:09] <GW7HPW> This is what my receiver is currently reporting for the search mode packet;
[15:10] <GW7HPW> RXType,s Destination,* Source,1 Length,14 SNR,-2dB RSSI,-78dB
[15:10] <PE2BZ> g8fjg this morning 05:30 local time RAF came in loud, clear and encrypted in P25
[15:10] <GW7HPW> Which suggests around 18dB of link margin left.
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[15:11] <g8fjg> we had river fog trapped in duct for hours this morning...you could smell the lift
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[15:15] <PE2BZ> I had a wonderfull view from my work location at 52 m asl to a town where only the churchtops where above the fog. No camera in reach however :-(
[15:15] <g8fjg> :-(
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[15:19] <PE2BZ> no bbq over here so I am afk for cooking
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[16:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE3KLX-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE3KLX-11
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[16:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[16:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
[17:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XE1HRK_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XE1HRK_chase
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XE1HRK-1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XE1HRK-1_chase
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[17:42] <pb0ahx> LoraHab2 i going down mmmm bad
[17:43] <pb0ahx> i=is
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[17:59] <dconley> so, a potentially silly question: I have a ham license (US based) and will probably be buying the Radiometrix HX1 module from uputronics. how do I actually transmit with it?
[18:00] <dconley> is it like https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2 where I write a function to turn text into pulses, or is there a library somewhere? (I couldn't find one)
[18:01] <fsphil> there is code for generating the necessary APRS waveform, if that's your intention
[18:01] <dconley> yeah, that's it
[18:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You use the normal ASCII representations and then use a serial output routine
[18:02] <fsphil> what are you connecting the hx1 to?
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[18:03] <dconley> that's part of what I'm trying to figure out. possibly a pi, possibly arduino, maybe even a metro m0 and see if I can use circuit python. but that may be an overreach for my first HAB
[18:04] <fsphil> the HX1 is basically an FM transmitter, on the Pi you could use its audio out to drive it
[18:05] <dconley> that might seal the deal for me then
[18:05] <fsphil> https://github.com/fsphil/ax25beacon < something like this
[18:05] <fsphil> it's been a while since I looked at that code, but I think it worked :)
[18:06] <fsphil> you still need to toggle the EN pin on the HX1 with one of the Pi's GPIO pins
[18:06] <fsphil> otherwise it's constantly transmitting a carrier. that would upset other aprs users. and you don't want to do that
[18:06] <fsphil> never hear the end of it
[18:06] <dconley> right
[18:07] <dconley> but "set pin high, broadcast, set pin low" is simple enough
[18:07] <fsphil> yeah
[18:07] <fsphil> it's easy enough to modify that code to do it
[18:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB3ZFF-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB3ZFF-10
[18:08] <Rebounder> lorahab2 leaked?
[18:09] <fsphil> not just HBO then
[18:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB3ZFF-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB3ZFF-11
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[18:31] <PE2BZ> Anyone with 23 cm waterfall with 20 MHz bandwidth hanging around here ?
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[18:33] <TT7_> Hi everyone
[18:34] <TT7_> I intend to launch another superpressure balloon tomorrow morning
[18:34] <TT7_> same size as the previous one
[18:34] <TT7_> the tracker transmits 300 baud SSDV as well
[18:35] <fsphil> ooh nice
[18:35] <TT7_> the prediction takes it south from the Czech Republic
[18:35] <fsphil> what camera does it have?
[18:36] <TT7_> so anyone interested along the path feel free to receive it
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[18:36] <TT7_> fsphil: it's MT9D111 as described in my SSDV blog post from a few months back
[18:37] <TT7_> details about the tomorrow's tracker are here https://tt7hab.blogspot.cz/2017/08/the-tt7f2-flight.html
[18:38] <fsphil> looking forward to seeing it go
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[18:43] <TT7_> hopefully I can get a few images myself, but don't have the best rx conditions and the wind will take it relatively quickly away from me
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[18:45] <TT7_> it transmits SSDV every half hour during the day
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[19:45] <Andy__> who do i need to chat with to have my flight docs approved?
[19:46] <PE2BZ> on #habhub you can paste your flight doc number and require for approvement
[19:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You need to post the Flight doc id in #habhub after making sure that the tracker has appeared on the map.
[19:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3S17 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3S17
[19:52] <Andy__> Hi. can i have a flight doc approved please. Daedalus - release date Sat 2 or Sun 3 Sep.
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[19:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No you need to paste the Flight Doc Id in the #HABHUB channel
[19:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> the Admins use that as it gets to noisy in here and things get missed
[19:53] <Ian_> Andy__ "/join #habhub" and ask there
[19:53] <Andy__> thank you
[19:53] <Ian_> ^^
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[19:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> When you paste the Flight Doc ID it does some bsic checks as well
[19:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> too late
[19:55] <Ian_> Well, he certainly didn't arrive at #habhub . . .
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[19:56] <daveake> untested fwiw
[20:06] <fsphil> playing about with layouts for a new ssdv landing page: https://ssdv.habhub.org/newindex.php
[20:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah much nicer are the pictures scaled as well ?
[20:07] <fsphil> yeah, just in the browser
[20:07] <fsphil> it'll show the latest 5 images for each active payload
[20:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> painful if your in the field with a phone but understand
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[20:15] <daveake> Well then you'd want the standard page with /<payload_id>
[20:15] <daveake> hmmm .... maybe have a max_images=<n> parameter in the standard landing page's URL ?
[20:15] <fsphil> yeah, like this one links to
[20:16] <fsphil> that could be done
[20:16] <fsphil> limit=
[20:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Bu tif you want to see what is flying, and like me out mobile, then I have to download ALL the pictures first then scale to chose
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[20:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> its not that difficult to scale at the server end then provide links to the full size as needed
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[20:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I hit this on my photography work for SuP racing, most users are on phones and complained about the download speed ....
[20:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> so now all the previews are at 640x480 scaled to much smaller for thumbnails at the client and linked to the full image when you click the Preview see http://www.g8dhe.net/pictures/2017/07/20170715/
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[22:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ6VSL-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ6VSL-10
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[22:40] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRFW-6
[22:40] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(16.64774,-144.78785) at 0314332 meters about 036 hours ago
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[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[23:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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