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[01:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[01:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[04:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[05:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OK7DMT-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OK7DMT-11
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[06:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TT7F1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TT7F1
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[06:33] <TT7> TT7F1 up
[06:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-8 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-8
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[06:53] <TT7> http://imgur.com/a/D31YT
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[06:59] <TT7> RTTY is probably over for me. not a good direction with a high mountain in way
[06:59] <TT7> APRS working fine
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[07:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TA2MUN-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TA2MUN-13
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[08:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HG8LXL-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HG8LXL-10
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[09:14] <daveake> pi868
[09:14] <daveake> bugger sorry
[09:15] <Vaizki> ERROR: Your password must be between 8 and 16 characters long.
[09:16] <daveake> heh
[09:17] <daveake> Was just trying to search for the SSDV URL that Phil posted yesterday
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[09:21] <m1x10> Hello there !
[09:21] <m1x10> regarding http://predict.habhub.org
[09:21] <m1x10> how is it possible to run a prediction for 2 days ago ?
[09:22] <m1x10> can we have NOAA data for the past?
[09:22] <m1x10> I lost my capsule somewhere in greece :D
[09:24] <AndyEsser> why not look at its last reported position on the map instead?
[09:24] <m1x10> I don't have such info. GPS failed during flight.
[09:26] <mattbrejza> did it at least record burst altitude?
[09:33] <m1x10> no nothing
[09:33] <m1x10> we had no gps data during flight
[09:34] <m1x10> IF I can have a prediction for past
[09:34] <m1x10> it would be awesome
[09:38] <fsphil> daveake: did you get it?
[09:39] <daveake> yup ta
[09:39] <daveake> Just waiting for ftp to work at my hosting co so I can test it :/
[09:41] <daveake> m1x10: Even that would only give you a radius of a few km, as your ascent rate and burst altitude (both unknown) will differ from what you intended.
[09:41] <daveake> And the chances of finding a payload in that space are pretty much zero
[09:41] <m1x10> daveake: oh sorry I have those information.
[09:42] <m1x10> daveake: I have 2 KMLs
[09:42] <daveake> KML for what ??
[09:42] <m1x10> daveake: from predictor
[09:42] <daveake> Isn't that what you were asking for ?
[09:43] <m1x10> daveake: yes but I have slightly wrong the launch site and the descent rate
[09:44] <daveake> Well you don't know what the descent rate actually was. Or the ascent rate. Or the burst altitude. All you have are what you intended.
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[09:44] <m1x10> daveake: in my case I used as launch site a village.. but actually I was out of it
[09:44] <daveake> And as I said, with that information, at best you'll have a search radius of 5-10km
[09:45] <daveake> Good luck finding it in that area
[09:45] <m1x10> daveake: yes we did that with a car and vhf receiver. But nothing was heard.
[09:45] <daveake> If you have a prediction from one point, but you launched from somewhere slightly different, just move the landing prediction by the same amount
[09:45] <daveake> That's as good as you're going to get
[09:46] <m1x10> yes did that and the wind direction
[09:46] <m1x10> at the wind direction*
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[09:55] <hyde00001> daveake - impressively quick turn around on the pits/systemd thing. Thanks.
[09:55] <daveake> np would have been quicker if not on hols
[09:57] <hyde00001> I have of course "one more question"... relating to ds18B20 on PITS Zero...
[09:57] <hyde00001> following your lovely instructions I have a simple tracker sending telemetry and ssdv over LoRa
[09:57] <hyde00001> i thought - why not add an ds18B20
[09:58] <hyde00001> it shows up fine in the hardware at /sys/bus/w1/devices
[09:58] <hyde00001> but I can't figure if I need to tweak pisky.txt to get it incorporated into the telemetry string...
[09:58] <hyde00001> any thoughts?
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[09:59] <daveake> It'll pick it up and assume it's the internal ds18b20 that we put on the full-size box
[09:59] <daveake> The logic is: 2 sensors use one for internal one for external; 1 sensor it's internal; no sensors use the GPU sensor instead
[10:00] <daveake> There's no optin for "GPU internal; DS18B20 external" which is what you want probably
[10:00] <hyde00001> thats what I assumed, i've wired it in on the pin shown in github...
[10:00] <daveake> Sure that's fine; it'd need a code change
[10:01] <hyde00001> FWIW, I tried adding two ds18B20 that didn't help... (though both show up in hardware...)
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[10:02] <daveake> 1 sec
[10:03] <daveake> OK it checks to see if it's full-size PITS or not :)
[10:03] <daveake> Nobble line 805 in tracker.c:
[10:03] <daveake> if ((Config.BoardType != 3) && (Config.BoardType != 4))
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[10:04] <daveake> Looks like that'll be enough
[10:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL0GZ-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL0GZ-11
[10:09] <hyde00001> cheers will try that, if i ./build again afterwards, will that do the trick?
[10:10] <hyde00001> FWIW, I've been using one of these to power it, it seems to play nicely even when placed immediately next to the GPS https://www.pololu.com/product/2836
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[10:12] <daveake> Just run make after the change
[10:15] <hyde00001> Mmm. The "original" line is: if ((Config.BoardType != 3) && (Config.BoardType != 4)) which is what you quote above...
[10:16] <hyde00001> By noble, do you comment out or play with alternate values?
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[10:29] <daveake> comment out or remove
[10:30] <daveake> All it's doing is deciding whether to create the DS18B20 thread or not, as (normally) it's only needed for PITS boards and not the Zero board
[10:30] <daveake> There's no harm having the thread created regardless; it'll just use a bit of CPU looking for a sensor that probably isn't there
[10:41] <hyde00001> daveake - yet again you have proven your "steely-eyed missile man" status. That now works perfectly
[10:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 031_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=1_chase
[10:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RSSI - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSSI
[10:43] <daveake> cool
[10:44] <daveake> fsphil: Not done the refresh bit yet but here's the SSDV redirect implanted in one of my dashboards https://www.thedash.com/dashboard/S1aSr2R7Z/fullscreen
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[10:49] <hyde00001> Perfectly for one sensor anyway... adding a second gives two zero values... I'll have a more thorough look at the logic another time and see if I can work it out. Thanks for all the help! AFK
[10:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SH06 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SH06
[10:53] <fsphil> daveake: nice, that's worked well
[10:54] <daveake> yup, thanks for that
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[10:54] <fsphil> just one note, when doing the refresh add a t=<timestamp> or similar
[10:54] <fsphil> or you'll get the cached copy for a while
[10:54] <daveake> okey dokey
[11:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC2
[11:11] <fsphil> daveake: if you need the full data the API equiv. is https://ssdv.habhub.org/api/v0/images?callsign=CALLSIGN&sort=desc&limit=1
[11:12] <daveake> Cheers
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[11:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[11:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03koppelting1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=koppelting1
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[11:42] <bertrik> \o/ this balloon is going to be launched next saturday during the 'koppelting' festival in Amersfoort, the Netherlands
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[11:43] <PE2BZ> Hi bertrik ! What does it carry ?
[11:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:45] <PE2BZ> !flights
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03Barc243 10(8e60), 03Barc244 10(fca2), 03TT7F1 10(9e19), 03SP9UOB-P30 144.251 MHz CTSTIA 10(cbd2)
[11:45] <bertrik> PE2BZ: as a science experiment, it carries and IR sensor (looking down) and an UV sensor (looking up) I think
[11:45] <PE2BZ> !payload BARC243
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:45] <PE2BZ> !payload 8e60
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03BARC2 10(8e60) 03$$BARC2 - 03PITS Test - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[11:46] <bertrik> estimated launch time is next saturday 13:00+2:00, so 11:00 UTC
[11:47] <PE2BZ> Nice ! Any tracker on board ?
[11:50] <bertrik> PE2BZ: yes, it has a LoRaWAN tracker that sends coordinates to TheThingsNetwork
[11:51] <bertrik> I wrote a bridge software thing that picks up the TTN data, converts it to UKHAS format and forwards it to habhub
[11:51] <bertrik> so it's a bit experimental, but seems to work so far :)
[11:51] <PE2BZ> So your connection between the two is working :-) You´re on the map
[11:52] <bertrik> yes, it shows the TTN gateways too
[11:52] <PE2BZ> I will try to take a look tomorrow on our TTN gateway at work to see if it´s picked up. Now I have to remember how to do that...
[11:53] <PE2BZ> Is the payload single channel or multi channel ?
[11:53] <bertrik> not sure if it's just LoRaWAN/TTN or also has RTTY
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[11:54] <PE2BZ> But the LoRaWan is multichannel ?
[11:54] <PE2BZ> not one fixed frequency I mean ?
[11:54] <bertrik> PE2BZ: yes, I think so
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[11:56] <bertrik> as far as I know, there are 3 frequencies that LoRaWAN gateways are guaranteed to listen to, and you usually get an additional 5 frequencies when you 'join' the network using the lorawan 'join' command
[11:57] <PE2BZ> I have a 869 MHz antenna installed last weekend which has to be tested, the SDR however should cover the complete band in 1 piece.
[11:58] <bertrik> PE2BZ: I just heard that the payload is 35g (including battery) so it's also a small balloon
[11:59] <bertrik> you can't really pick up and decode LoRaWAN transmissions independently, they are encrypted with a key that is know in the LoRaWAN server
[11:59] <PE2BZ> The short antenna compensates the weight ;-)
[11:59] <PE2BZ> I know, but I should recognize the transmissions when airborne
[12:00] <fsphil> each "thing" has a key?
[12:01] <PE2BZ> We have a gateway installed at work for testing purpose, but left the implementation to our system integrator. Lots of possibilities but also takes time to learn your way around.
[12:01] <PE2BZ> fsphil indeed
[12:03] <bertrik> fsphil: yes, there are two keys actually, I think it uses AES
[12:03] <bertrik> one key is used to figure out if the device is from "our" network, and is actually more of a secure checksum
[12:04] <bertrik> the other key is used to encrypt the actual data payload inside the LoRaWAN packet
[12:08] <PE2BZ> bertrik do you trust the coverage to rely on recovering the payload ?
[12:10] <bertrik> I don't know, we'll see
[12:11] <bertrik> the guy launching it doesn't really expect to find it back, or at least is prepared to consider the payload as lost
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[12:17] <PE2BZ> Can you share a flight prediction ?
[12:17] <bertrik> PE2BZ: the LoRa settings for LoRaWAN/TTN are described in this document: http://www.semtech.com/images/datasheet/an1200.23.pdf
[12:18] <bertrik> so BW=125 kHz, CR=4/5, SF=7-12, explicit header, CRC on
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[12:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SV3CIX-1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV3CIX-1_chase
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[12:39] <PE2BZ> bertrik vlieg je al ?
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[12:44] <bertrik> PE2BZ: nee, morgen om 13:00 lokale tijd
[12:44] <bertrik> the GPS coordinates seem to be all over the place
[12:46] <PE2BZ> Ok, ik zag je stijgen en dalen
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[12:47] <PE2BZ> Is the TX antenna away from the GPS antenna ?
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[12:49] <AndyEsser> woo my books for my OU degree were dispatched yesterday :)
[12:50] <AndyEsser> roll on October and starting my degree
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[12:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 030173883880_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=0173883880_chase
[12:55] <bertrik> is it possible to delete/remove/hide the data from our telemetry test for balloon 'koppelting1' ?
[12:55] <bertrik> e.g. all the data from today for this payload?
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[13:14] <Babs_> Afternoon HABbers
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[13:16] <Babs_> Apologies for the radio silence on Stabilotron-II, no signal out there in the field to upload the telemetry and then spent a couple of days trying to locate an errant payload after finding the parachute
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[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Hi Babs, is it on its way back to you now ?
[13:18] <Babs_> All went well apart from 2 things - 1. got the payload up about 30 minutes late (it took an age to fill with a smaller US regulator) and 2. The payload line snapped (no knot failure, looks as if the balloon was chafing against it) so the payload fell short of the parachute and was smashed
[13:18] <Babs_> Camera SD card ok though so hopefully have some pictures
[13:18] <Babs_> Hi Geoff - thanks for the pano help
[13:18] <Babs_> It is getting posted back today/tomorrow
[13:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yur welcome, soory I didn't see the mail quicker, but was out for most of the day!
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[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> oh that's good
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[13:20] <Babs_> No worries - annoyingly we were within about 300 metres of it, but needed some internet to do the proper research and locate it from the parachute position
[13:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0HIP-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0HIP-7
[13:21] <Babs_> And then we were too far to go back
[13:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I guess maybe that fast final drop on the data might have been when the payload broke free ?
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[13:28] <Babs_> It was a partial decode that I interpreted, and initially thought that it could be a spurious or incorrect data point but you might be right
[13:28] <Babs_> I'll see whether the SD card on the tracker (assuming it is intact) bears that out
[13:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Always interesting to see, but also at thse lower heights ground winds can be a lot diferent, but it was the slope for the two final points that seemed strange as it suddenly speed up!
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[13:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah I see it was 246m from the final position!
[13:36] <Babs_> Yes, difference between the parachute and the payload
[13:37] <Babs_> Parachute drifted further unsurprisingly
[13:39] <michal_f> good to hear you found it eventually
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[13:58] <Babs_> Thanks michal_f - disappointing on the day but also proud that we worked the problem and were able to get someone to the location and find it accurately with a bit of either analysis.
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[14:35] <fsphil> Babs_: did you at least get to enjoy the eclipse? :)
[14:35] <fsphil> that's the most important bit :)
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[16:48] <Babs_> fsphil: yes! It was amazing - I saw the one in the uk in 1999 but it was cloudy, this one was all kinds of epic out in the wilderness
[16:49] <fsphil> the best place Babs_ !
[16:49] <fsphil> I was clouded out for my last one too, but still worth it
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[16:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
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[21:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SH06 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SH06
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[22:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03captur_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=captur_chase
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[22:45] <Dan_> Hey, I doubt anyone's still awake, but I have a question...
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[23:16] <fsphil> zzz
[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:26] <Dan_> Why do I get all of these random characters??? http://imgur.com/a/UAbYS
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[23:36] <fsphil> Dan_: that's image data
[23:37] <fsphil> click on View > SSDV RX to see it
[23:37] <fsphil> some quick tips: turn off SQL (bottom right) and don't use spaces in the payload callsign
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[23:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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