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[03:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[04:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC3JLF - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC3JLF
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[08:38] <_Jordan> Morning guys, yesterday's flights went very well as we achieved and beat our own personal altitude record with 40.8 km and then 43.7 km! Both payloads have been recovered and equipment back home safe and sound. Got an SSDV launch coming up in a few weeks so stay tuned in!
[08:41] <AndyEsser> :)
[08:41] <AndyEsser> congrats
[08:41] <AndyEsser> .confetti
[08:41] <SpacenearUS> 2´*.D¨¯`* 2D*¨¯`* 2
[08:41] <SpacenearUS> 2´ *. Congratulations 2 ¯`*
[08:41] <SpacenearUS> ¨¯`*D2´* 2.D *¨¯`*2
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[08:52] <fsphil> nice!
[08:52] <_Jordan> Twas a superb day for launchin yesterday!
[08:52] <fsphil> aah man, everyone's getting +40km. I need to join this party :)
[08:53] <AndyEsser> I need to get > 2m
[08:55] <_Jordan> 40 is the new 30 :)
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[09:02] <LazyLeopard> How many have made it past 50, though...
[09:02] <_Jordan> LazyLeopard Thats the dream ...
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[09:02] <AndyEsser> the dream is passing 100k ;)
[09:03] <darsie> How much is a balloon that can take 1000 kg to 30 km?
[09:03] <darsie> Should last long term, like a year or more.
[09:04] <AndyEsser> much
[09:04] <darsie> 1 million?
[09:04] <darsie> 10 million?
[09:04] <darsie> 100 million?
[09:04] <darsie> USD? YEN?
[09:05] <darsie> Zimbabwe dollar?
[09:06] <_Jordan> Too many zero's to comprehend.
[09:07] <darsie> Lets use other digits, then.
[09:10] <darsie> I want a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-gas_gun up there to shoot things to space, e.g. to the Moon as demo.
[09:11] <fsphil> no harm in dreaming
[09:18] <gonzo_> the offordable limit at the mo is probably to take 10g to 10km for a long time
[09:18] <gonzo_> (what is the duration record at the mo?)
[09:18] <darsie> Appearently jumping from a 1000 kg capsule at 30 km was affordable, too.
[09:19] <darsie> Not long term, though.
[09:22] <fsphil> to be fair, many things are affordable if you're a billionaire
[09:25] <gonzo_> long duration may be a solar ZP balloon. Though no idea of the realistic payload weights
[09:26] <PE2BZ> what does it cost to become a billionaire ? Do they come cheap in bulk packages ?
[09:27] <darsie> ZP? zeppelin? zero pressure?
[09:29] <gonzo_> zero pressure
[09:32] <darsie> Do they go to 30 km?
[09:35] <darsie> How could the gun kept stationary? Propellers? Tow ropes to ground?
[09:36] <darsie> How are the winds up there?
[09:37] <fsphil> precisely modulated gastric emission
[09:37] <darsie> Steam thrusters from water brought up from the ground?
[09:40] <edmoore> steam is not a very good propellant
[09:43] <darsie> What would be better?
[09:43] <edmoore> most things that aren't steam
[09:44] <edmoore> look, from the question you're asking, you have a long way to go in engineering before you should be worrying about questions like this
[09:44] <darsie> We have to bring up the propellant, too, preferably in condensed form, I guess.
[09:44] <darsie> Unless we use air.
[09:44] <darsie> from up there.
[09:44] <darsie> compressed with pumps.
[09:45] <edmoore> rather than with hotdogs
[09:45] <darsie> Or how about a solar powered jet?
[09:46] <_Jordan> Here is a tasty view on what above 40km looks like.. http://imgur.com/a/nNxXN
[09:46] <darsie> nice :)
[09:47] <darsie> But a light gas gun is missing ;).
[09:47] <_Jordan> Of course it is :)
[09:47] <edmoore> if only the gas gun itself was light
[09:47] <fsphil> nice photo _Jordan
[09:48] <darsie> who did that?
[09:48] <fsphil> little bit too much curve but that's just me nit-picking :)
[09:48] <_Jordan> Cloud looks good though.
[09:48] <fsphil> yeah
[09:49] <fsphil> lovely shadows
[09:49] <darsie> I always wonder how much of the curve is photographic distortion.
[09:49] <edmoore> most of it
[09:49] <edmoore> especially in the days of gopros
[09:49] <_Jordan> I can start of by saying theres not much different in 35 and 40 km haha
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[09:53] <edmoore> darsie: i think the first job for you would be to develop a light gas gun on the ground
[09:53] <edmoore> that in itself will be a challenge
[09:53] <darsie> yeah
[09:54] <edmoore> if you actually can make something flight-weight that can project something into a translunar orbit, the gondola part will not be too difficult
[09:54] <darsie> But that's already been done.
[09:54] <darsie> hmm, that's good news.
[09:54] <edmoore> the thing i just said has probably not been done
[09:55] <darsie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0 dragon berthing
[09:55] <edmoore> do you know what kind of velocity you'd requite to get something out of the atmosphere and into a TLO darsie?
[09:55] <edmoore> require*
[09:56] <darsie> no, but probably too much to be feasible.
[09:56] <darsie> economically
[09:56] <darsie> Earth escape is 11.2, so probably something like that.
[09:57] <edmoore> yes, that will be a great challenge
[09:57] <edmoore> i think building a rocket might be quicker and cheaper
[09:57] <darsie> short term, sure.
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[09:58] <darsie> for space beyond Earth a second gun in LEO is an option.
[09:58] <darsie> Or a mass driver.
[09:59] <darsie> constructed from materials via the light gas gun.
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[10:00] <edmoore> not much useful stuff will survive being shot out of a gas gun
[10:00] <edmoore> and not much useful mass can be shot out of a gas gun
[10:02] <darsie> fuel, water, food. Stuff can be frozen in water for stabilization.
[10:02] <darsie> Circuit boards can be encapsulated with epoxy.
[10:02] <edmoore> you could just use a rocket
[10:04] <darsie> A factory could turn raw materials to things in LEO.
[10:04] <fsphil> bonus points for making it reusable
[10:04] <AndyEsser> darsie: what's the _ACTUAL_ problem you're trying to solve
[10:04] <AndyEsser> other than "use cool tech to do stuff"
[10:05] <darsie> AndyEsser: make space access cheaper. Lot's of use for that.
[10:05] <edmoore> if the raw materials came from space it might be more efficient to process them there, but there's no universe in which putting raw materials into LEO from earth, then processing them, is more efficient than processing them on the earth and launching the processed stuff
[10:05] <darsie> Well, as you said, not much can withstand a light gas gun launch.
[10:07] <darsie> But towing stuff up to the gun and shooting it to space with solar energy must be pretty cheap long term.
[10:08] <edmoore> the balloon gun?
[10:08] <edmoore> or the LEO gun?
[10:10] <edmoore> also i have just done a couple of sums on my behalf and to get a theoretical ability (not a workable engineering solution at this stage, just looking at the physics) to project something, using hydrogen as the working fluid, to 11.5km/s, you need to heat it to a bit over 22,000 Kelvin
[10:10] <edmoore> which is about 4 times hotter than the surface of the sun, for reference
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[10:11] <edmoore> which is the point at which you now want to start considering some of the engineering challenges
[10:12] <darsie> the balloon gun
[10:12] <edmoore> yes, so you would have the aforementioned problem with the balloon gun
[10:12] <edmoore> here's the other cool thing you'll find out
[10:12] <edmoore> you can't shoot anything into orbit from within the earth
[10:13] <edmoore> you need to accelerate it once you're out of the atmosphere, otherwise it will want to come back through the earth as it comes around from its orbit
[10:13] <darsie> Yes. Some thruster or momentum exchange tether is needed.
[10:14] <edmoore> and i doubt thrusters will survive that kind of launch acceleration either
[10:14] <edmoore> i applaud the notion of trying to get stuff into orbit for cheaper, that's my job too, and it's important, but i don't think this is the way
[10:14] <darsie> I wonder what angle we can shoot at. Horizontal will give us quite some atmosphere time.
[10:15] <darsie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicklaunch planned to shoot from ground (water, actually) to space with a thruster.
[10:17] <darsie> "The projectile design therefore included a one-stage rocket which ignites some time after launch."
[10:17] <edmoore> yes, but nothing came of it
[10:17] <edmoore> also, in order to reduce the Gs you have to increase the length
[10:17] <darsie> I'll do it :).
[10:18] <edmoore> and look, their launch tube is about the length of a small island
[10:18] <edmoore> which is not really a prctical thing to fly
[10:18] <darsie> Why not?
[10:19] <darsie> Too much wind will flex the barrels?
[10:19] <darsie> via the balloons?
[10:19] <darsie> I guess we can counter that with adaptive barrels, like adaptive telescopes.
[10:20] <darsie> Hmm "The Falcon Heavy is expected to have it's first launch in 2016 with the ability to muscle 53,000 kg to LEO for $90 Million or $1700 per kg!"
[10:24] <gonzo_> in reality the actual launch cost of a kg is much higher. just to get the approvals to fly that kg is going to cost many times more
[10:24] <edmoore> yes, you will have great trouble designing a pratical barrel that can be lofted by a balloon
[10:25] <edmoore> darsie: it's 2017
[10:25] <craag> they are supposed to be launching falcon heavy later this year iirc
[10:26] <edmoore> it was meant to launch in 2013
[10:26] <edmoore> yes
[10:26] <AndyEsser> November they've said most recently
[10:26] <AndyEsser> which means more likely.... January 2019
[10:26] <darsie> Musk: "Ultimately, I believe $500 per pound or less is very achievable."
[10:27] <darsie> gonzo_: Yeah, but I'm comparing launch methods.
[10:27] <edmoore> well, rockets do scale well
[10:27] <edmoore> in as much as a lot of the fixed costs are human hours and development
[10:28] <edmoore> so the more you launch at once the better it looks from a cost/kg pov
[10:28] <edmoore> but that doesn't make it an overwhelmingly useful metric if you have built a cubesat or smallsat and want to launch it
[10:32] <gonzo_> from what I have seen of the AMSAT cubesats, the launch itself is not the bulk of the cost
[10:33] <gonzo_> it's all the testing, approvals, adaptor plates etc that add up
[10:33] <gonzo_> (seen: from the sidelines)
[10:33] <russss> well, you can get free launches relatively easily for non-profit cubesats
[10:34] <edmoore> someone somewhere is absorbing the paperwork cost though
[10:34] <edmoore> maybe a friendly space agency
[10:34] <gonzo_> .gov grants
[10:35] <gonzo_> snap ed
[10:35] <darsie> Projected Quicklaunch costs were also $1,100/kg. A 30 km gun may be cheaper.
[10:35] <darsie> gun at 30 km.
[10:35] <edmoore> lol
[10:36] <edmoore> darsie: may i ask, and i don't mean this personally, are you a school student?
[10:36] <craag> 30km gun would probably be cheaper than a gun at 30km :P
[10:36] <darsie> edmoore: yes, no.
[10:36] <edmoore> thanks for clearing that up
[10:37] <darsie> Yay, finally I'm 1.5 Gs old :).
[10:38] <darsie> Unless that's rounded up.
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[10:39] <edmoore> G is an extremely small number
[10:39] <edmoore> so i don't think you are
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[10:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3S17 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3S17
[10:41] <darsie> G is 1E9.
[10:41] <craag> gauss constant?
[10:41] <darsie> giga
[10:42] <craag> 0.8346
[10:42] <edmoore> oh, i assumed the gravitational constant, given the context
[10:42] <darsie> s is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom.
[10:42] <edmoore> ah right, Gs
[10:42] <edmoore> sorry i read that as G's
[10:43] <edmoore> well right
[10:43] <edmoore> so
[10:43] <edmoore> you can therefore get a basic physics textbook
[10:43] <edmoore> and do step 1 of learning to do anything
[10:43] <edmoore> which is understand the problem
[10:44] <edmoore> by knowing enough physics to be able to answer some of these question yourself, because it seems like you have zero actual intuition for any of them problems you're facing
[10:44] <edmoore> and so you have corresponding zero chance of moving beyond just-another-crazy-guy-on-the-internet status
[10:44] <edmoore> which is a terrible club to be in and I'm sure you would agree, not one to which you want to belong
[10:46] <edmoore> i have not sat through all of these myself, but I heard good things about this course: http://theoreticalminimum.com/courses
[10:46] <edmoore> classical mechanics and statistical mechanics (which is just thermodynamics) are probably the two to do
[10:46] <edmoore> and on that note, my job has finished running and i must do some work
[10:47] <darsie> cu
[10:48] <fsphil> interesting link
[10:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS11
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[11:15] <darsie> 1.5 Gs is rounded. It's a few more days.
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[11:30] <Mike-SA6BSS> !whereis BSS11
[11:30] <SpacenearUS> 03Mike-SA6BSS: 03BSS11 is over 03Arctic Ocean 10(86.48107,33.47916) at 0310200 meters
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[11:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[12:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI6WL after 038 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI6WL
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[13:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KI7CUX - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI7CUX
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[14:27] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[14:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Kiribati 10(-4.51893,-163.03785) at 0313999 meters about 0310 hours ago
[14:33] <rohan_> Out of curiosity -- Has there ever been any discussion of switching from IRC to a more "modern" platform like Slack or Discord? A lot of the other communities I'm a part of have made a switch
[14:34] <AndyEsser> another channel I'm on runs both IRC and slack
[14:34] <AndyEsser> with a bot that copies messages from one to the other
[14:34] <AndyEsser> but it's still.... icky
[14:35] <craag> AndyEsser: You're aware of the irc gateway for slack?
[14:35] <craag> I'm on several slack teams - all in irssi :D
[14:36] <AndyEsser> that may be what they use
[14:36] <AndyEsser> can't remember
[14:36] <AndyEsser> it does helpful things like when someone pastes an image into slack
[14:36] <AndyEsser> it provides a nice url to click in IRC
[14:36] <craag> yep thats it
[14:36] <AndyEsser> yea, doesn't surprise me
[14:36] <rohan_> That's pretty nice :P
[14:37] <craag> loading slack webpage here at work takes ~20s.. (<2Mb connection)
[14:37] <AndyEsser> use slack app?
[14:37] <AndyEsser> although that's just a wrapped version
[14:37] <AndyEsser> so probably just as bad
[14:37] <craag> or I could just mosh into irssi (~0.5s)
[14:38] <AndyEsser> ssh into server, then load up my screen running irssi is great
[14:38] <AndyEsser> slack with more than one team gets very slow for me
[14:39] <rohan_> Because of network bottleneck? Or is it a comp issue?
[14:39] <AndyEsser> anything I run it on, just seems to hoard memory and get slow
[14:45] <jbayfield> AndyEsser: I can't say I've run into the same issues on either Windows or Linux, being a regular Slack user.
[14:46] <jbayfield> The issue with Slack is message history, mainly - your logs will very quickly disappear in a larger team.
[14:46] <AndyEsser> yea
[14:46] <AndyEsser> I found on linux I didn't get notifications
[14:46] <AndyEsser> and on Windows 10 it's a bit... flakey
[14:47] <jbayfield> Windows 10 notifications are very flakey, but I haven't had issues with Linux. FWIW my experience is with Ubuntu GNOME, so it might be different for KDE/LXDE/all the other billion options.
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[14:48] <jbayfield> I can't comment about Discord aside from the fact that it's aimed towards gaming audiences
[14:48] <craag> I have slack logs going back a couple of years - thanks irssi :D
[14:48] <adamgreig> i think slack would be a poor choice because it's annoying to sign up for accounts, it's a pain to idle on lots of slack orgs at the same time, and we really don't need or want multiple channels
[14:48] <adamgreig> haven't used discord
[14:49] <AndyEsser> yea, the whole slack invite thing is tedious
[14:49] <adamgreig> have a preference for keeping it on freenode and open protocols rather than proprietary chat apps
[14:49] <AndyEsser> I know there are bots/plugins to avoid it
[14:49] <adamgreig> highaltitude has been around a lot longer than slack
[14:49] <AndyEsser> but it's just another step
[14:49] <jbayfield> My slack team goes back a year as it's a donated paid plan so that's nice. Trouble is that given UKHAS isn't a registered charity/trust/whatever you have to pay to get it to run nicely.
[14:49] <AndyEsser> and freenode having the nice quick handy webchat to get people in with little issue is very handy
[14:49] <rohan_> Discord is pretty slack-esque, although imo a bit more efficient
[14:49] <adamgreig> slack is 2013, highaltitude is what, 2006
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[14:49] <adamgreig> almost twice as old
[14:50] <jbayfield> I don't see the point in ditching IRC - it works well for what it is.
[14:50] <adamgreig> agreed
[14:50] <AndyEsser> agreed
[14:52] <rohan_> So a quick noob question for me --One thing that keeps irking me about webchat is that every time I refresh / restart my browser, any/all chat history in my IRC channels get cleared. Is there any way around it?
[14:52] <edmoore> yes
[14:52] <edmoore> don't use the webchat
[14:52] <_Jordan> I use AdiIRC
[14:52] <_Jordan> saves logs to output folder
[14:53] <craag> or irccloud
[14:53] <jbayfield> I run a Quassel client-server setup.
[14:53] <edmoore> if you want a web-based thing that doesn't involve you always having access to the internet, you could try irccloud
[14:53] <rohan_> Awesome. Will search 'em up, thanks
[14:55] <rohan_> Brb...
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[14:59] <Rohan_> There we go
[15:00] <Rohan_> Or well, trying something new at least :)
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[15:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC3JLF-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC3JLF-11
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[15:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KC3JLF after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC3JLF
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[16:04] <bertrik> adamgreig: I think I understand the listener_info and listener_telemetry a bit more now
[16:04] <bertrik> I sniffed the communication between dl-fldigi and the server, and I see that it first requests a bunch of UUIDs then uses two of those to submit the listener_info and the listener_telemetry respectively
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[16:31] <IRBE3> Hallo! Team IRBE3 from Latvia is planning a launch tomorrow afternoon. Can you please approve our flight document: 64a8734a50197ba9a9224ba2995c1902?
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[16:42] <stilldavid> a few days before the eclipse!
[16:42] Action: stilldavid getting excited
[16:43] <stilldavid> any other folks in the US have plans?
[16:49] <bertrik> I went to see the one in france in 1999, I highly recommend to go see it
[16:51] <bertrik> still a lot of effort for two minutes of eclipse :)
[16:52] <bertrik> we got into a huge traffic jam on the way back, never been so tired while driving a car
[16:52] <stilldavid> I'm a few hours away, but we're going up 2 days early to secure a camp spot.
[16:52] <stilldavid> chasing down a payload after the fact will be interesting too, but Wyoming is wide open for the most part.
[16:57] <bertrik> I actually didn't take a lot of photos, just enjoyed the moment
[16:57] <stilldavid> that's my hope launching a balloon - I can release it ~90 minutes early then enjoy the actual event while the payload takes the pretty pictures.
[16:58] <stilldavid> and there's going to be That Guy up on a mountain at the perfect place to get the perfect shot. I'd rather enjoy it with my family and friends
[16:58] <bertrik> exactly
[16:59] <stilldavid> this will be my first, and I'm ... pretty excited :)
[16:59] <stilldavid> plus camping in a field with some beers and friends is not a bad time.
[17:04] <bertrik> what I found really striking is that up to a quite high percentage cover, it's still really bright outside, then only in the final minute or so it's suddenly getting darker
[17:08] <PE2BZ> U3S17 preparing for his final bath ?
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[17:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-14 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
[17:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IRBE3_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IRBE3_chase
[17:12] <fsphil> good luck stilldavid !
[17:13] <fsphil> hope for cloud free skies
[17:13] <stilldavid> oh, man. it's not _supposed_ to be cloudy, but ... we'll see morning of.
[17:13] <stilldavid> and thanks :) should have some good video from it, sending up a gopro5 recording in 4k
[17:15] <stilldavid> it will be my first launch when I don't immediately pack up and drive to the predicted landing area, though. hoping i can get close enough to pick it up when it's on the ground.
[17:15] <fsphil> last eclipse I went to, I was under the only cloud within 500km :)
[17:15] <stilldavid> gah! what a drag. have you seen one in clear skies before?
[17:15] <fsphil> no, just partials
[17:15] <fsphil> still amazing though
[17:16] <fsphil> didn't see the eclipse itself, but you could see the shadow coming on the horizon
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[17:17] <fsphil> it all happens very quickly
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[17:17] <stilldavid> yeah. especially for my first I just want to enjoy it.
[17:17] <stilldavid> if it's very cool I will make more solid plans for 2024
[17:17] <fsphil> yep!
[17:17] <fsphil> another US one?
[17:17] <stilldavid> but it's not like I'm the only photographer planning things.
[17:17] <stilldavid> yeah, in the north east
[17:18] <stilldavid> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_April_8,_2024
[17:18] <fsphil> one in 2019 if you fancy heading very south
[17:19] <stilldavid> that would be a fun one to book a cruise for.
[17:19] Action: fsphil makes a note in his diary for 2024
[17:20] <fsphil> hopefully the US is still there
[17:20] <bertrik> with a different president probably :)
[17:22] <stilldavid> guys, not here. please. this was supposed to be a safe space.
[17:22] <fsphil> haha
[17:22] Action: stilldavid cries to self
[17:22] <fsphil> Don't worry, it'll be better soon </lie mode>
[17:23] <fsphil> oops, didn't escape that properly. now I'm stuck in lie mode. OR AM I
[17:24] <PE2BZ> You will never know when you lied that your in lie mode ...
[17:27] <bertrik> sorry
[17:30] <edmoore> stilldavid: babs here (richard babington) has flown over to fly something
[17:30] <edmoore> infact it's a stabilised hab platform that should track the shadow
[17:31] <stilldavid> radical!
[17:31] <stilldavid> stabilized how?
[17:31] <edmoore> brushless motors
[17:32] <bertrik> looking forward to seeing your results!
[17:32] <stilldavid> very cool. I didn't think those would work with nothing to act against.
[17:32] <edmoore> payload: https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/32598276402/
[17:33] <stilldavid> very fancy, can't wait to see the results! you know the launch location?
[17:33] <stilldavid> this is phenomenal: https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/33615254392/in/photostream/
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[17:34] <stilldavid> and the recent time lapse as well... wow.
[17:34] <edmoore> babs emailed the mailing list a few days ago
[17:34] <fsphil> it's seriously impressive
[17:34] <stilldavid> and here I am just throwing together a payload with a gopro last minute :P
[17:35] <fsphil> still a step up from my last one. we had a partial here a few years ago and I just had a Pi camera
[17:37] <edmoore> stilldavid: ukhas mailing list august 11th
[17:37] <edmoore> from richard babbington
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[17:37] <stilldavid> I'll set up to listen, I'm flying APRS and 915 LoRa
[17:38] <stilldavid> will have the radio free.
[17:38] <stilldavid> but alas, no internet. I should get in touch with my call sign so we can chat on simplex if need be.
[17:41] <stilldavid> he cc'd the GPSL list, which is how I got it I guess. don't think I'm on the ukhas list any more.
[17:41] <edmoore> sadface
[17:42] <stilldavid> but he sent out another email 4h ago
[17:42] <edmoore> oh
[17:42] <edmoore> still on?
[17:42] <stilldavid> just to GPSL, asking for listening stations.
[17:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> IRBE3, you need to post the Flight Doc ID in #habhub, you need to /j #habhub and paste the id in there
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[17:48] <IRBE3> Geoff-G8DHE-M thank you for the information.
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[18:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KC1EAI after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC1EAI
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[19:18] <MW1MDH> HI all..Is HAB Tracker having any issues this evening?
[19:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS11
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[19:20] <MW1MDH> I'm testing a HABDuino for a flight, and FLDigi despite saying its uploading..nothing is showing up
[19:20] <MW1MDH> I've tried on 2 PCs and they've both worked fine previously
[19:20] <Mike-SA6BSS> is it IRBE3?
[19:20] <MW1MDH> One of them is the one we use on the HAB flights, it's worked faultlessly...until now!
[19:21] <MW1MDH> no..HIIMPACT
[19:21] <MW1MDH> I've switched the radio off for now
[19:21] <Mike-SA6BSS> ok, have you looked at logtail for errors?
[19:21] <Mike-SA6BSS> it gives error CantExtractCallsign exception in simple_binary: CantExtractCallsign
[19:22] <MW1MDH> Yeah..it shows that there's no config doc, so it won't parse
[19:22] <MW1MDH> [2017-08-16 19:22:26,522] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: No configuration doc for 'HIIMPACT' found [2017-08-16 19:22:26,442] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] '$$HIIMPACT,37,19:22:14,53.17441,-2.92789,00004,0,0,7*0AAE\n' (a4407a4f465558f5b397c48213d6f11b4ac6cccae427904b0001652e0ac04a39) from mw1mdh [2017-08-16 19:22:24,442] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: All attempts to parse failed
[19:23] <daveake> No payload doc for HIIMPACT
[19:23] <MW1MDH> But at the moment I'm just testing in readiness fo Payload etc config
[19:23] <daveake> Well it won't appear on the map without one
[19:23] <MW1MDH> Hi Dave..I'm sure that in the past when I've just done tests, it's shown up :-)
[19:24] <MW1MDH> Or is my memory a little hazy..lol
[19:24] <daveake> Only if you used a payload ID that happened to match someone else's
[19:24] <Mike-SA6BSS> firts tesint with a matshing payload doc, when time to fly make flight doc and get that approved
[19:24] <daveake> CHANGEME is a popular one ....
[19:24] <MW1MDH> I should have gone with Changeme :-)
[19:25] <Mike-SA6BSS> its a classic :)
[19:25] <MW1MDH> I'll build the docs etc, and go for it
[19:25] <daveake> We even had one person here ask "Do I have to change CHANGEME?"
[19:25] <daveake> thump
[19:25] <MW1MDH> :-)
[19:25] <MW1MDH> Right...I'll nip off and get it sorted, and try again :-)
[19:26] <MW1MDH> Thanks all, and 73
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[19:31] <Mike-SA6BSS> have my tracker bss11 close to the north pole, its been traveling west with the sun all day, less then 300km from the pole, it have been a loong day for the payload tough the solar angle is bit low for the tracker to realy start up, never exided 18 deg
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[19:32] <Mike-SA6BSS> but it have fired up a bout 10 times during the day at got som spots through about its loaction
[19:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HIIMPACT - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIIMPACT
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[19:39] <MW1MDH> Sorted it :-)
[19:39] <MW1MDH> I'd like to request approval of a flight for inclusion in HABitat, please :-)
[19:40] <Upu> click > #habhub
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[19:40] <MW1MDH> np
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[19:45] <jbayfield> MW1MDH: Good luck - might try and track but the chances are greater than not that I'll forget about it. ;)
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[20:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[20:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-5 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-5
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[22:53] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[22:53] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Kiribati 10(-3.51893,-161.03785) at 0313999 meters about 032 hours ago
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[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[23:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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