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[00:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SpaceB_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SpaceB_chase
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[02:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03marc_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=marc_chase
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[05:08] <arko> Mike-SA6BSS: los angeles
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[06:27] <Mike-SA6BSS> ok
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[06:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-2 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-2
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[07:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HVCSGR after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HVCSGR
[07:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PeakHAB_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PeakHAB_chase
[07:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PeakHAB_MX5_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PeakHAB_MX5_chase
[07:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HVCSGL after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HVCSGL
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[07:58] <pb0ahx> HVCSGR also LORA ??
[08:05] <pb0ahx> !flights
[08:05] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03SB2 10(c4ee), 03Hope Valley College 2017 10(ff98), 03X119 10(1f53), 03SP9UOB-P30 144.251 MHz CTSTIA 10(cbd2)
[08:06] <pb0ahx> !payload ff98
[08:06] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03HVC-SG-2017-Rb 10(ff98) 03$$HVCSGR - 03PIE with sensors 300 baud - 03434.2 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[08:06] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03HVC-SG-2017-Lb 10(ff98) 03$$HVCSGL - no transmissions
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[08:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS8 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS8
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[08:33] <hyde00001> No MASA02 flight today - extended A&E hospital visit for son (leg thankfully not broken but pretty bashed up) has left preparation undone...
[08:40] <pb0ahx> good luck
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[09:02] <Ron_G8FJG> #loRa freq for HVCSGL?
[09:03] <G8KNN_> 434.300
[09:03] <Ron_G8FJG> ta
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[09:04] <fsphil> ooh it's up
[09:12] <hyde00001> Mmmm HCVSGL/R... has changing SSDV but not changing position... strange GPS error? Or strange error at my end?
[09:13] <Ron_G8FJG> same here
[09:13] <fsphil> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/07/qatar-helium-production/532788/
[09:13] <fsphil> lovely
[09:14] <hyde00001> sentence count increasing in logtail but GPS parameters unchanging. Might be a tricky recovery...
[09:15] <fsphil> probably lost gps lock
[09:15] <hyde00001> aaah satellites: 0
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[09:15] <fsphil> huh, looks like it's never had gps lock
[09:17] <RocketBoy> todays Elsworth balloon activity postponed until midweek - they cant get the other pi payload working
[09:18] <fsphil> two payloads and neither have a lock. wonder how they've managed that
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[09:19] <dbrooke> may be a single PITS
[09:19] <hyde00001> Has Trump just turned off GPS?
[09:20] <fsphil> why would it have two callsigns though
[09:21] <hyde00001> I've done that - one PITS doing both RTTY and LoRa each with their own callsign
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[09:22] <dbrooke> my house currently has GPS lock with 9 sats
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[09:23] <dbrooke> so I don't think we can blame Trump (for that)
[09:23] <hyde00001> dbrooke - you have used up all the GPS
[09:23] <hyde00001> having cornered the market you can now resell it
[09:24] <fsphil> I have visions of a gps antenna inside a metal enclosure
[09:25] <hyde00001> The HCVSGL/R team did appear to upload subtly changing co-ords on the ground. Consistent with all working before take off
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[09:26] <nmcc> Tracker not processing telemetry, who do we call?
[09:27] <hyde00001> Knowledgeable people often mention certain cameras as anti-GPS devices...
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[09:28] <fsphil> possibly, if they left switching them on until just before launch
[09:28] <hyde00001> nmcc - is it your payload?
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[09:31] <hyde00001> If last minute camera, perhaps with luck battery on that will expire before tracker allowing GPS lock... Might need to track using directional yagi...
[09:31] <fsphil> I'm afraid it is reporting telemetry, and the telemetry is saying no GPS lock :(
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[09:36] <nmcc> Was showing on tracker at launch and is being parsed, who do we call to fix the web interface?
[09:37] <hyde00001> nmcc looks like the packets you are uploading to habitat include unchanging co-ords - can you confirm that at your end?
[09:37] <M0NRD> the packets being received are timestamped an hour ago, so won't be updated on the map - has no gps lock
[09:38] <nmcc> Oh dear
[09:39] <M0NRD> was everything in the box running before launch? did you turn on a camera just before launch? as has been said some interfere with GPS receivers
[09:43] <nmcc> It was running all day yesterday and for an hour before launch (hence the fix at the launch site)
[09:44] <nmcc> Given the 0 sats being reported just after launch, the antenna must have been upset or cable detached.
[09:44] <fsphil> was it bumped at launch?
[09:51] <pb0ahx> $$HVCSGR,754,08:45:42,53.30302,-1.72655,00373,61,228,0,17.4,1.2,0.113*BC42
[09:52] <nmcc> Nothing like that - kept safe - antenna taped to top inside box, looks like something happened at launch
[09:55] <nmcc> Dropped from 12 sats, then just at release, 9, 8, 7, 5 then 0
[09:55] <pb0ahx> wat is the frequentie for HVCSGL ?? in lora ?
[09:55] <nmcc> 434.297
[09:55] <pb0ahx> ok tnx
[09:55] <pb0ahx> in mode 1 ?
[09:55] <nmcc> Yes
[09:55] <pb0ahx> tnx
[09:55] <fsphil> hmm
[09:55] <fsphil> very odd
[09:55] <nmcc> If you can give me a bearing, that would be much appreciated
[09:57] <pb0ahx> $HVCSGR,782,08:45:42,53.30302,-1.72655,00373,61,228,0,16.3,1.2,0.113*F93A
[09:57] <pb0ahx> 09:57:26 Ch0: SSDV Packet, Callsign HVCSGL, Image 153, Packet 5
[09:59] <pb0ahx> 291 degre
[09:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HVC_Chase_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HVC_Chase_chase
[10:01] <nmcc> Your location please
[10:03] <pb0ahx> Delft netherlands jo22ea
[10:04] <pb0ahx> look on the habhub map
[10:04] <Mike-SA6BSS> grid map http://no.nonsense.ee/qth/map.html
[10:04] <nmcc> Cheers - if you can track it by bearing, I have a yagi I can use when I get to the area and the two bearings will give me a rough area to start a local search
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[10:05] <pb0ahx> the bearing on this moment 291.5 degr
[10:07] <Ron_G8FJG> I've not decoded any packets after img 38..rtty sig . .LoRa still snr4 ..
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[10:08] <pb0ahx> lora snr here is -5
[10:09] <pb0ahx> JO22EA25RQ
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[10:13] <Ron_G8FJG> my best bet bearing is 350 from JO01cm...between Scunthorpe- Grimsby....Hull?
[10:18] <nmcc> Expected to come down between Beverly and Hull
[10:19] <Ron_G8FJG> Lora img 168 is that the hook at Bridlington
[10:20] <nmcc> That would be expected
[10:20] <daveake> Tracking by images now? :)
[10:20] <nmcc> Hi Dave, yeah, trying to new technique of being a repeat customer
[10:21] <daveake> Anything onboard other than pi/pits ?
[10:21] <nmcc> Soak tested payload yesterday but something happened at launch and it dropped the satellite fixes almost straight away
[10:21] <daveake> any other cameras?
[10:21] <nmcc> Pi0 - same config as Monday - which we got back by the way
[10:21] <nmcc> Nothing transmitting
[10:21] <daveake> anything else electronic?
[10:21] <nmcc> Just the side camera
[10:21] <daveake> "just" ... what make ?
[10:22] <nmcc> Nope, same electronics as Monday
[10:22] <daveake> what camera ?
[10:22] <nmcc> RPI 1.2 camera on side
[10:22] <nmcc> Which is sending nicely
[10:22] <daveake> OK so nothing electronic other than the pits system ?
[10:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8MSJ-1 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8MSJ-1
[10:23] <nmcc> Pi0 with EnviroPhat & camera
[10:23] <nmcc> Same config, dryer components.
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[10:23] <nmcc> 12 sats at launch site
[10:23] <Neil_M0CJM> Hi Anybody about?
[10:23] <daveake> OK so is that camera doing video or stills ?
[10:23] <nmcc> Dropped sats immediately at launch
[10:24] <nmcc> stills
[10:24] <daveake> ok should be fine then
[10:24] <nmcc> But was running for an hour before hand
[10:24] <nmcc> Yeah, should be ....
[10:24] <daveake> Sounds like gps aerial not screwed in properly or something else to do with the aerial
[10:25] <daveake> sat count going down is a clear message that it's a lack of gps signal or something interfering with it
[10:26] <fsphil> it likely lost the signal instantly, just took the gps receiver time to count out the satellites
[10:27] <fsphil> tracking by image is an interesting idea, not sure if anyone's done that before? :)
[10:28] <fsphil> isn't that the same coastline as the payload that went out to sea?
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[10:29] <fsphil> why is it changing callsigns?
[10:29] <nmcc> Which?
[10:29] <fsphil> or is it two payloads?
[10:29] <fsphil> HVCSGR / HVCSGL
[10:29] <nmcc> PITS = RTTY and LoRa - suffix tells you which radio you are listening to
[10:30] <fsphil> aah
[10:31] <fsphil> these 320x240 images remind me of my early flights
[10:31] <daveake> It thinks it hasn't launched hence the small images
[10:32] <daveake> So we'll get more of them
[10:32] <daveake> which is good for the image tracking :)
[10:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HVCMinibus_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HVCMinibus_chase
[10:33] <fsphil> yes, happy coincidence there
[10:33] <fsphil> though that cloud is annoying
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[10:34] <nmcc> Does the power on the transmitters increase - trying to think other than cable dislodgement if there could be anything else that changed from working on the ground to being in the sky
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[10:35] <nmcc> Dave, I have a Yagi with me and the MX5 chase is where it's predicted to land - if they still have a signal when it gets lower, we should be able to triangulate.
[10:37] <fsphil> hopefully
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[10:43] <M0NRD> looking at the telemetry before the launch there are a couple of instances where it suddenly lost GPS lock and sats = 0, would suggest iffy connector
[10:43] <daveake> Tx power is fixed
[10:43] <daveake> M0NRD: Interesting
[10:44] <nmcc> Flight time is 2hours 20 so I'm concerned about the pictures - looking a bit hight
[10:44] <nmcc> high
[10:44] <nmcc> Launch at 9:45
[10:45] <nmcc> M0NRD: yeah, box sealed and there are some drop outs.
[10:46] <nmcc> Loose connector or cable strain possible
[10:46] <M0NRD> mind you given the turbulence would have thought if iffy you might have got the odd fix during flight unless catastrophic
[10:48] <daveake> maybe a nice firm landing will fix it :)
[10:51] <nmcc> One hopes, one can only buy one PITS kit per week, one wet one and one lost one is a bit much
[10:52] <M0NRD> space is hard, near space even harder? my first flight the sdcard got dislodged when it hit the cloud layer
[10:55] <nmcc> It is rather vexing getting to grips with the reality
[10:55] <nmcc> Testing on the decking at home is so much simpler
[10:56] <nmcc> And without a GPS fix I only have pressure data on the Pi0 to find out what the climb rate was
[10:56] <nmcc> That was the error on the last flight
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[11:15] <Ron_G8FJG> crc fails now ...blue line of disillusionment going past
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[11:20] <Ron_G8FJG> still visible here http://www.radiogeek.co.uk/
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Looks like its on its way down
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[11:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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[11:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[12:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[12:08] <nmcc> Some basic triangulation done, off to eat and look at maps
[12:09] <nmcc> If anyone had a last bearing for HVCSGL / HVCSGR
[12:09] <nmcc> would be much appreciated
[12:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Tacoma_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Tacoma_chase
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[12:29] <garymortimer> Have flights been and gone today?
[12:29] <garymortimer> UK flights
[12:30] <Mike-SA6BSS> [10:33:33] <hyde00001> No MASA02 flight today - extended A&E hospital visit for son (leg thankfully not broken but pretty bashed up) has left preparation undone...
[12:30] <garymortimer> Bad luck get well soon son
[12:30] <Mike-SA6BSS> HVCSGL / HVCSGR landed without gpos lock so they are searshing in the area
[12:31] <garymortimer> Turned into a foxhunt then
[12:32] <Mike-SA6BSS> looks like it, the should have a snack and look at maps and soon be back out searshing
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[12:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD5GOM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD5GOM-11
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[13:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B-2 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-2
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[13:33] <Ron_G8FJG> nmcc sorry was afk best guess along red line but is 250km to my qth so 1deg out is a long way!! http://i.imgur.com/obTQlrh.jpg
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[13:48] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[13:48] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 is over 03Gulf Of Mexico 10(26.18941,-85.03785) at 0314110 meters
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[14:13] <Ron_G8FJG> looks like you found some bricks!
[14:13] <Ron_G8FJG> and a new fence
[14:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W1YA-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W1YA-11
[14:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N1YIP-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N1YIP-11
[14:32] <fsphil> ooh was it found
[14:33] <fsphil> I see images
[14:33] <fsphil> lol, someone's garden?
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[14:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DF9IK-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DF9IK-9_chase
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Hope it didn't demolish the fence on the ground!!
[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah ha blue sky apperaing in new image
[15:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> they must be getting closer many packets coming in
[15:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> people even
[15:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> kids around it
[15:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> full image no packets lost
[15:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> probaly the chase vehicle then
[15:32] <gonzo__> looks more like a flat pack shed
[15:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> :)
[15:36] <fsphil> hope they got it. wonder if they got a phone call from the folks in the garden
[15:36] <fsphil> I'm curious to know what happened the gps
[15:37] <fsphil> there might be a lesson to learn out of this yet
[15:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah its position has updated now as well
[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> looks like it landed and is now being transported back.
[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> looks like it landed close to a school as well!
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[17:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LEE7216_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LEE7216_chase
[17:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TLA5492_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TLA5492_chase
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[18:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-14 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
[18:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MARIJA_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MARIJA_chase
[18:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03craigs car_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=craigs%20car_chase
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[20:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VA2RMG-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA2RMG-11
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[23:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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