highaltitude.log.20170705

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[00:19] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[00:19] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Atlantic Ocean 10(24.48107,-61.03785) at 0313999 meters about 032 hours ago
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[04:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-14 after 038 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
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[05:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-8 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-8
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[05:49] <PE2BZ> !flights
[05:49] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03SkyPACA1 10(6b4a), 03GILBERD 10(e5c7), 03X118 10(aa27), 03LaunchIRIS 10(5c69), 03St Paul's CPS launch 10(c0e7), 03SP9UOB-P30 144.251 MHz CTSTIA 10(cbd2)
[05:49] <PE2BZ> !payload 6b4a
[05:49] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03PACA1 10(6b4a) 03$$PACA1 - 03Old PITS - 03434.3 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[07:04] <VE6AZX> I have what might be a dumb idea. I'd be interested what others think of it, if anyone's around and interested.
[07:04] <VE6AZX> superpressure balloon launches are cool. Getting pictures back is hard.
[07:04] <VE6AZX> in Canada, where I am, it is legal to use cellphones at high altitudes.
[07:04] <VE6AZX> what if we SMS'd pictures down using one of the lightweight SIM800 modules or similar?
[07:07] <Mike-SA6BSS> the experience is that gsm/3g reception above 2-3km is non existent
[07:07] <craag> the problem with using GSM at altitude isn't the legality, it's that a lot of the towers use directional antennas pointed at the ground.
[07:07] <craag> therefore what Mike-SA6BSS said :)
[07:07] <Mike-SA6BSS> :)
[07:08] <cm13g09> VE6AZX: You don't want to be using SIM800s lol
[07:08] <craag> haha morning cm13g09
[07:08] <cm13g09> Certainly not anywhere patchy or non-existent signal exists.....
[07:08] <Mike-SA6BSS> I saw someone on this channel that had it working at altitude, getting sms back from a gps tracker, s
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[07:08] <cm13g09> morning craag
[07:09] <Mike-SA6BSS> dont remember hwo tho
[07:09] <cm13g09> the SIM800s you have to keep *very* careful track of state of them
[07:09] <cm13g09> and it's not immediately obvious
[07:09] <VE6AZX> hmm. directional antenna on payload?
[07:09] <craag> you might get lucky with a tower that does have it pointed up / has a reflection or something
[07:09] <craag> how are you going to point it VE6AZX ?
[07:10] <VE6AZX> well, it would just be directed at the ground, and hopefully would get lucky once in a while
[07:10] <VE6AZX> I'm honestly not sure this is practical - looks like the answer is no so far.
[07:10] <craag> You're welcome to try
[07:11] <VE6AZX> any ideas how one would get a really lightweight SSTV setup or similar going?
[07:11] <VE6AZX> never seen one on a superpressure before, thought it would be fun to try.
[07:11] <craag> fsphil has done some stuff like htat
[07:12] <VE6AZX> interesting - so it is possible then
[07:12] <fsphil> there are little jpeg cameras you can get that are pretty light weight
[07:12] <VE6AZX> what would you use as a TX ?
[07:13] <fsphil> I've used the NTX2
[07:13] <fsphil> only 10mw but it worked well
[07:13] <fsphil> though note I didn't use SSTV, I did ssdv. digital thing
[07:13] <VE6AZX> ntx2 - noted. thank you!
[07:13] <VE6AZX> I appreciate the replies.
[07:14] <fsphil> the small Pi and its camera also make a pretty light weight camera payload, but needs more batteries than just a microcontroller
[07:16] <VE6AZX> right, for 10g superpressure flights I was thinking a microcontroller was basically mandatory.
[07:18] <fsphil> if I was building it from scratch a little PCB with a cmos sensor, stm32 micro, gps and radio would be ideal
[07:19] <fsphil> a few here have built something like that
[07:26] <VE6AZX> do you have a preferred radio?
[07:27] <VE6AZX> the temperature induced frequency drift has killed me in the past
[07:28] <VE6AZX> right now I'm looking at using an si5351 with a TCXO for WSPR and JT9
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[07:30] <fsphil> the si chips are pretty popular. infact I think the NTX2B is basically an SI radio packaged up
[07:30] <fsphil> how power hungy is the tcxo?
[07:31] <VE6AZX> not sure. the etherkit board which has it draws 10's of mA
[07:33] <fsphil> what are you thinking of using for your power supply?
[07:33] <fsphil> solar?
[07:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: hi. Could you recomend any tiny jpeg camera :) ? Linksprite is awfull ;-)
[07:39] <Mike-SA6BSS> bristol seeds does superpresssure with a pi zero and a cam,DL7AD is also doing it with the new pecan pico 9
[07:39] <fsphil> SP9UOB-Tom: it is!
[07:40] <gonzo__> tcxo should not be power hungry. As it is just using compensating comonents to keep the drift down
[07:40] <fsphil> the jpeg camera I used for the first ssdv flights was alright, but they don't sell it anymore
[07:41] <gonzo__> ovened oscilators (ocxo) are the power hungry ones
[07:41] <fsphil> sorry, the second flights
[07:41] <fsphil> the first camera I used didn't survive the flight and the ssdv but was too buggy to work well
[07:41] <fsphil> gonzo__: gotcha
[07:41] <Mike-SA6BSS> SP9UOB-Tom: hey Tomasz! from what or where did you get your balloon for the current flight over the US?
[07:41] <fsphil> so it just senses the temperature, rather than trying to control it
[07:42] <gonzo__> yep, the tc of tcxo is temp compensated
[07:42] <gonzo__> traditionaly using reactive components with a tempco that camceled out the xtal tempco
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[07:43] <gonzo__> wonder if these days it's done with some form of calibrated compoensation and a varicap to load the cct by the correct amoung?
[07:46] <fsphil> that si5351 looks like a handy little chip
[07:51] <VE6AZX> indeed
[07:51] <VE6AZX> I can't solder the QFN package... anyone know of a breakout?
[07:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> hey Mike :-)
[07:51] <VE6AZX> ... sorry, for the si4463?
[07:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> Mike-SA6BSS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWpV_wfFhfw
[07:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> VE6AZX: use hot air :-)
[07:52] <VE6AZX> hmmm.
[07:52] <VE6AZX> ok.
[07:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> VE6AZX: also dorji make modules based on si4463
[07:53] <fsphil> SP9UOB-Tom: nice day there
[07:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> VE6AZX: http://www.dorji.com/docs/data/DRF4463F.pdf
[07:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> have to go to work, CU later :-)
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[08:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Iris-2Chaser_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Iris-2Chaser_chase
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[08:33] <M0XIN> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cla34QzgbKc
[08:34] <M0XIN> Somewhat... close
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[08:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Iris-2Team1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Iris-2Team1_chase
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[08:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PACA1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PACA1
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[08:56] <AndyEsser> HAB Land Rover is no more
[08:56] <AndyEsser> long live HAB Nissan Qashqai
[09:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Goose_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Goose_chase
[09:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IRIS-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IRIS-2
[09:19] <fsphil> not a bad looking vehicle
[09:20] <AndyEsser> I hired one from Enterprise for about 4-5 months at the beginning of the year
[09:20] <AndyEsser> good cars, and economic
[09:20] <AndyEsser> the Landie failed its MOT on Monday, so quickly scramble to secure a new vehicle
[09:26] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/a/lhvu8
[09:26] <AndyEsser> and perfectly good on Welsh mountains :)
[09:27] <michal_f> you've been cheated AndyEsser, it has steering wheel on wrong side !
[09:28] <michal_f> nice car. I rented it once on holidays, was a pleasure to drive...
[09:28] <AndyEsser> yea, they are nice
[09:28] <AndyEsser> muscle memory took over last night when I went to test drive it
[09:30] <fsphil> plenty of places to clamp an antenna
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[09:30] <AndyEsser> fsphil: indeed
[09:30] <AndyEsser> and nice big boot for equipment :P
[09:30] <fsphil> space on the dash for equipment?
[09:31] <AndyEsser> depends how I'd want to mount it
[09:32] <AndyEsser> that album I linked should've had about 20 photos in...
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[09:33] <AndyEsser> http://imgur.com/a/seyJq
[09:33] <AndyEsser> better
[09:33] <fsphil> excellent boot
[09:33] <Darkside> aww no channel in the roof rails
[09:34] <Darkside> makes it a bit harder to mount antennas
[09:34] <AndyEsser> channel?
[09:34] <Darkside> uhm
[09:35] <Darkside> let me find an example pic
[09:35] <AndyEsser> cheers
[09:35] <Darkside> https://goo.gl/photos/9axbC99TT2msMMpz5
[09:35] <AndyEsser> o right
[09:35] <Darkside> so there's a channel down the inside of my roof rails
[09:35] <Darkside> which i can bolt stuff into really easily
[09:35] <AndyEsser> I have magmount antennas that I just stick onto the roof direct :)
[09:36] <AndyEsser> but nothing stopping me making something that can be mounted to the roof rails (across the roof) that has bolting mounts
[09:36] <Darkside> yeah i dont like using magmounts over long periods
[09:36] <Darkside> yeah of course
[09:36] <Darkside> roof racks
[09:36] <Darkside> i used to do the same
[09:36] <Darkside> then made up new brackets to bolt into the channel
[09:36] <Darkside> whats under the rear floor?
[09:37] <Darkside> spare tyre, or more space?
[09:37] <AndyEsser> about another 4-5 inches of space
[09:37] <AndyEsser> and then the spare tyre
[09:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
[09:37] <AndyEsser> the false floor is there so it's level with where the seats fold down
[09:37] <Darkside> ah ok
[09:39] <craag> plenty of room to hide the car pc, radios, auxiliary batteries, stove for tea, etc. :)
[09:40] <AndyEsser> :P
[09:41] <AndyEsser> I need to look at costs for inverters, power system, and all that fun stuff :P
[09:41] <AndyEsser> s/tea/coffee
[09:44] <daveake> with magmounts for long term use make sure the magnet is sealed inside plastic and not just under a label - it'll rust away
[09:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Meme_Team_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Meme_Team_chase
[09:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[09:44] <craag> ^^ have recently replaced both mine due to this :/
[09:45] <daveake> one of mine kept falling off on the last chase and that was why
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[09:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-25 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-25
[09:47] <AndyEsser> will check when I get home
[09:47] <AndyEsser> if not, I'll blame fsphil who recommended the magmount to me
[09:48] <fsphil> don't leave it on the car when you're not using it :p
[09:49] <fsphil> I'm not sure if that watson is weatherproof
[09:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> PACA1 is up, but nothing heard from LoRa ....
[09:50] <AndyEsser> fsphil: yea, I don't leave it up
[09:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah its not mode 0
[09:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mode 1 as its SSDV
[09:51] <fsphil> extension to calling channel idea: also have a payload periodically transmit the settings on its main frequency
[09:52] <fsphil> a kind of RSID
[09:55] <fsphil> Geoff-G8DHE: you seem to be the only receiver
[09:55] <fsphil> ah more now
[09:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its quite close to me!
[09:57] <fsphil> more sensible image sizes
[09:57] <fsphil> and the right way up
[09:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03GILBERD after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GILBERD
[09:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STP2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STP2
[09:58] <fsphil> don't think I've seen as many active ssdv payloads in one go
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[10:00] <daveake> fsphil That would work with the existing gateway code - it'll accept and process a calling-mode message regardless of what mode it's on
[10:01] <daveake> So would just need the tracker to send out those packets using other modes, periodically
[10:01] <daveake> Only of use if the gateway is on the right frequency ofc
[10:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STP1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STP1
[10:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IRIS_2_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IRIS_2_chase
[10:03] <gonzo__> !dial
[10:03] <SpacenearUS> 03gonzo__: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:03] <fsphil> it would be useful if the rfm modules could listen in two different modes at the same time
[10:04] <gonzo__> !flights
[10:04] <SpacenearUS> 03gonzo__: Current flights: 03SkyPACA1 10(6b4a), 03GILBERD 10(e5c7), 03X118 10(aa27), 03LaunchIRIS 10(5c69), 03St Paul's CPS launch 10(c0e7), 03SP9UOB-P30 144.251 MHz CTSTIA 10(cbd2)
[10:04] <gonzo__> !dial 6b4a
[10:04] <SpacenearUS> 03gonzo__: Latest dials for 03PACA1 10(6b4a): 03434.299651 MHz, 434.299807 MHz, 434.299802 MHz
[10:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Could get an interesting picture of the new windfarm there building in the channel in a moment ...
[10:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03U3B-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B-2
[10:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HVCSGR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HVCSGR
[10:12] <PE2BZ> Good morning. Which LoRa mode for SkyPACA1 ?
[10:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mode 1
[10:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> its SSDV
[10:13] <PE2BZ> Thanks Geoff !
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[10:13] <Darkside> hrm cant get polls from pstrotator
[10:13] <Darkside> time get wireshark up in this bitch
[10:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2017_Flights/PACA1_20170705/SC_PACA1_201707051012.PNG
[10:15] <PE2BZ> Nice setup :-)
[10:17] <fsphil> steve's doing his streamy thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfYu86qpkk
[10:19] <PE2BZ> !payload 6b4a
[10:19] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03PACA1 10(6b4a) 03$$PACA1 - 03Old PITS - 03434.3 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[10:19] <fsphil> poor steve
[10:19] <Ron_G8FJG> very screamy
[10:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC1
[10:19] <gonzo__> what's the paca lora freq?
[10:19] <Ron_G8FJG> 434.304 m1
[10:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Channel 0 434.298.9 MHz
[10:19] <gonzo__> ta
[10:20] <gonzo__> prob explains why I saw no rtty there
[10:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> RTTY 434.125
[10:22] <Ron_G8FJG> if you look at Steves stream ,,,mute the sound
[10:23] <fsphil> WHAT?!
[10:23] <Ron_G8FJG> 600 kids with high pitched screams
[10:24] <fsphil> maybe it's rtty
[10:24] <Ron_G8FJG> they seem to be interested in the inflation now , so have calmed down a bit
[10:25] <AndyEsser> kids interested in inflation?
[10:25] <AndyEsser> good lord, they start them young in economics
[10:26] <fsphil> that's a bit of a stretch
[10:26] <Ron_G8FJG> interest rates going up?
[10:26] <daveake> they're pushing the envelope
[10:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> They will come back down with a drop
[10:26] <Ron_G8FJG> it tok 10seconds
[10:26] <Ron_G8FJG> took
[10:27] <craag> no payload doc for $$PACA1R :(
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[10:32] <Jordan_> Hey guys, I wondered if anyone could tell me, or direct me to where I can find the ampage draw from the raspberry pi and 2 additional stackers. (PISKY and LORA)
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[10:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HVCSGL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HVCSGL
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[10:41] <daveake> Jordan Measure it
[10:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[10:42] <daveake> It's not even a constant - it'll be higher during GPS lock acquisition, and higher during camera usage
[10:44] <Ron_G8FJG> STP2 lora freq?
[10:46] <G8KNN_> 434.400
[10:46] <Jordan_> Hmm, I'll have to grab my Multimeter from home, Cheers davake.
[10:46] <Ron_G8FJG> ta
[10:53] <pb0ahx> STP2 Mode =0 ??
[10:54] <Ron_G8FJG> M1
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[10:58] <M0NRD_Work> running out of receivers ;-)
[10:58] <Ron_G8FJG> ran out of antenna
[10:59] <Ron_G8FJG> going to run out of Pi's
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> could be a wet landing then for PACA1
[11:05] <M0NRD_Work> be interesting how the overlapping LoRa signals work out https://m0nrd.co.uk/overlappingLora.png
[11:06] <fsphil> wait, even more flights?
[11:06] <daveake> hmm yes. Which are the overlapping ones?
[11:07] <M0NRD_Work> IRIS-2 using calling channel?
[11:07] <M0NRD_Work> main one on 434.275 but thing it is calling on 434.400
[11:07] <M0NRD_Work> think
[11:07] <PE2BZ> X0 on 405 and STP2 on 400
[11:07] <daveake> ta
[11:08] <M0NRD_Work> no.. ignore that, think is X0
[11:08] <M0NRD_Work> seeing RTTY between mode-0 tx
[11:09] <M0NRD_Work> only got one LoRa receiver wired in at the moment
[11:11] <PE2BZ> Allways better than 1 weird LoRa receiver ;-)
[11:11] <fsphil> all mine are weirdless
[11:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03the_O_mobile_:-)_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=the_O_mobile_%3A-)_chase
[11:18] <SM0ULC-Reb> heavy activity!!
[11:22] <daveake> PACA1 camera could do with focussing
[11:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F5APQ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F5APQ_chase
[11:24] <M0NRD_Work> or still got the plastic protector on it?
[11:26] <daveake> Possible, though colours look fine. The Sony cameras come focussed for short distance work. I think they now get supplied with an adjustment spanner.
[11:27] <fsphil> they do
[11:28] <gonzo__> !freq stp1
[11:29] <gonzo__> !dial stp1
[11:29] <SpacenearUS> 03gonzo__: Latest dials for 03STP1 10(c0e7): 03434.17531 MHz, 434.1752 MHz, 434.17462 MHz, 434.17598 MHz
[11:29] <gonzo__> !dial stp2
[11:29] <SpacenearUS> 03gonzo__: Latest dials for 03STP2 10(c0e7): none
[11:29] <gonzo__> ok, what's the stp2 lora freqs?
[11:30] <Ron_G8FJG> 434.400 m1
[11:32] <gonzo__> ta
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[11:39] <lostcause> Hi what's on 434.197?
[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:42] <M0NRD_Work> BARC1 flying as well
[11:42] <nmcc> I have RTTY on 434.200 at 231m in the Peak District.
[11:43] <lostcause> nmcc any idea what flight that is?
[11:43] <lostcause> Or maybe not a flight I guess
[11:43] <nmcc> Mine, testing, can turn it off if you need me to
[11:43] <lostcause> Oh right, no it's fine
[11:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[11:44] <lostcause> Suprised I'm getting such a clear signal from Cambridgeshire
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do remember its the ISM band there can be lots of signals kicking around!
[11:45] <lostcause> What's the settings, shall I see if it is actually your signal?
[11:46] <nmcc> 300, 8, none, 2
[11:46] <nmcc> 600 shift
[11:46] <nmcc> Sending std telemetry and SSDV
[11:46] <nmcc> Appears on the tracker at HVCSGR
[11:47] <lostcause> Hmm must be something else more local, that doesn't seem to be it.
[11:51] <Darkside> MY_DATA_AGE = 0.0
[11:51] <Darkside> argh
[11:52] <Darkside> http://imgur.com/R43facU
[11:52] <Darkside> ther we go
[11:53] <fsphil> not the worst UI
[11:53] <fsphil> PstRotator that is
[11:54] <AndyEsser> anything beats minitourner :P
[11:55] <M0NRD_Work> multipsk?
[11:55] <AndyEsser> o god
[11:55] <AndyEsser> M0NRD_Work: thanks for that...
[11:55] <AndyEsser> :P
[11:56] <fsphil> we're all still recovering
[11:57] <lostcause> Trying to pick up Iris-2 but not seeing a good signal for that, is it on 434.275?
[11:57] <M0NRD_Work> LoRa on 434.276 mode-1 here
[11:57] <lostcause> Oh right, not rtty? Or intermittent?
[11:58] <lostcause> flightdoc says RTTY
[11:59] <M0NRD_Work> IRIS-1 RTTY on 250 but no payload doc, but SSTV working just not on map
[11:59] <fsphil> Darkside: to save me googling, what was the FSK settings you used for wenet. sym rate and shift?
[11:59] <Darkside> 115k baud
[12:00] <Darkside> shift is approx 130 kHz
[12:00] <fsphil> ta
[12:00] <Darkside> thats just set in the modem chip
[12:00] <Darkside> so you can change that as you please
[12:00] <fsphil> yeah I'll have to
[12:00] <M0NRD_Work> I never believe the flight documents ;-)
[12:00] <Darkside> the demod isnt that sensitive to shift
[12:00] <Darkside> as in, it'll just figure out the shift from the input signal
[12:01] <fsphil> probably around 10k bit/s and 10khz shift
[12:01] <Darkside> though if shift < baud rate, you will end up with shit performance
[12:01] <fsphil> how is equal, or should I increase it a bit?
[12:01] <Darkside> equal is the 'ideal'
[12:01] <fsphil> there isn't much room
[12:01] <fsphil> okie I'll stick with that for now
[12:01] <lostcause> What's the better way apart from looking at flight docs? Ask in here?
[12:01] <Darkside> you're also goign to have to do some mucking around with the demod
[12:02] <Darkside> best to talk to drowe67 in #freedv about that
[12:02] <fsphil> yeah just looking at that code
[12:02] <fsphil> I don't understand most of it :
[12:02] <fsphil> :)
[12:02] <fsphil> 10kbit/s might be a bit much for 10mw
[12:03] <Darkside> dunno
[12:03] <Darkside> weo do 115kbps with 50mw
[12:03] <Darkside> we do*
[12:03] <lostcause> Lot of balloons end up in that bit of the wash recently, this looks like it'll be the third...
[12:04] <Darkside> 25mw -> 50kbps , 12.5mw -> 25kbps...
[12:04] <Darkside> probably about right
[12:04] <fsphil> there'll be a slower backup anyway
[12:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03u3s13 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=u3s13
[12:07] <lostcause> Sorry what is the frequency for BARC1?
[12:08] <AndyEsser> !dial BARC1
[12:08] <M0NRD_Work> 434.150
[12:10] <lostcause> Nice got it :)
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[12:12] <lostcause> I still have 20 seconds delay in my set up but hopefully can still be useful
[12:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CHANGEME after 0315 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGEME
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[12:13] <fsphil> it's a very popular name
[12:14] <M0NRD_Work> and whats the betting it is using 300baud? ;-)
[12:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB4ELK-4 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB4ELK-4
[12:15] <fsphil> busy in the skies today
[12:16] <daveake> Didn't someone ask recently if they should change "CHANGEME"? :/
[12:17] <M0NRD_Work> perhaps you should start charging to send out pre-configured trackers? ;-)
[12:17] <daveake> <soapbox> I choose a name like that, and put "you MUST change this" in the manual, and even so .... </soapbox>
[12:17] <fsphil> a manual, how novel
[12:17] <daveake> more factual than a novel
[12:17] <Darkside> who reads those things
[12:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G8KHW_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G8KHW_chase
[12:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IRIS_3_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IRIS_3_chase
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[12:36] <lostcause> Anyone know a good place to launch a balloon from near Oxford?
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[12:39] <nmcc> lostcause, try Cambridge ;-) Elsworth?
[12:39] <lostcause> Yeah but would be nice to fly it towards "home", I figure Oxford ends up about right most of the time
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[12:41] <lostcause> I guess any quiet common land away from airports and power lines could work?
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[12:45] <lostcause> Port Meadow looks interesting on the map
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[12:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
[13:06] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[13:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 is over 03North Atlantic Ocean 10(21.73107,-63.12119) at 0314221 meters
[13:08] <nmcc> Can dl-fldigi be made to log a text file of the telemetry?
[13:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03680222_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=680222_chase
[13:13] <lostcause> nmcc in the file menu
[13:14] <lostcause> text capture
[13:14] <lostcause> Or do you mean only decoded/checksum validated telemetry? Not sure about that.
[13:14] <lostcause> Has BARC1 gone weird or is it just my software?
[13:15] <nmcc> I want to capture everything it decodes and sends - but at worst I can pick the file apart
[13:15] <lostcause> nmcc of course everything it sends can be downloaded from habitat after anyway...
[13:16] <nmcc> Only when it's up
[13:16] <lostcause> true
[13:16] <nmcc> Which it wasn't for two periods on Monday - no offence, but belts and braces
[13:16] <lostcause> Quite, I had the same problem. I did log just the text capture
[13:16] <daveake> If it's recovered, the telemetry is on the pits sd card
[13:17] <daveake> Well it's there anyway, but you see what I mean :)
[13:17] <nmcc> Yeah, if it's recovered!
[13:17] <lostcause> nmcc was your payload the one that went into the sea?
[13:17] <nmcc> Yes
[13:17] <lostcause> Yeah I was tracking that. I think I had one of the last telemtry details of it in my text log. What was the name of it again?
[13:17] <nmcc> But it *may* have made it over the wash but tracking was lost and we were out of range
[13:18] <nmcc> SAFLYERSR and SAFLYERSL - R for RTTY, L for LoRa
[13:18] <nmcc> Sorry, drop the extra S - SAFlyerR and SAFlyerL
[13:19] <nmcc> If you can look that would be super cool
[13:19] <lostcause> I pasted in here too so the IRC archive might have it
[13:19] <lostcause> (Just trying to work out where the actual log text file saves itself at the moment)
[13:22] <lostcause> Where are the IRC channel logs?
[13:22] <fsphil> thar they are
[13:23] <lostcause> last coords I got were 53.0787,0.32484,00240
[13:23] <lostcause> so 240 meters
[13:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03abcd_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=abcd_chase
[13:24] <fsphil> STP2 being decoded nice and near the ground
[13:24] <lostcause> Dunno if that helps. Looks like it will have got stuck in some dangerous mud/sand possibly. (OS map says it's a danger area)
[13:25] <lostcause> dbrooke had it at 553 meters altitude: $$SAFlyerL,3029,12:49:22,53.07812,0.31769,00553,14,87,11,9.4,1.1,0.104*6A7C
[13:25] <fsphil> woo, picture of grass
[13:25] <daveake> always a relief, that
[13:27] <nmcc> Curious, the last habitat point showed it very close to both those positions (10's of meters) but at 1494m - on arrival there was a bit of south in the wind but would it drop that much in such a short space of time.
[13:27] <nmcc> No signal heard on RTTY whilst standing on the shore
[13:27] <nmcc> Sods laws states it's parked on the beach waiting for a pickup
[13:27] <lostcause> Could be surface winds, I remember someone commenting on it at the time
[13:28] <lostcause> Unfortunately although I ticked the "capture text" thing, I can't actually find a file it has created
[13:29] <nmcc> lostcause, can you email me the logs you have?
[13:29] <nmcc> I've fiddled with dl-fldigi a fair bit but can't see anything simple coming out
[13:29] <lostcause> That's the problem, not sure I have the logs, just got my coordinates from pasting in the IRC channel at the time (as I knew habhub was down)
[13:30] <daveake> Nice pics from IRIS
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[13:35] <M0NRD_Work> hope if makes land, shame to lost those images
[13:36] <M0NRD_Work> looks like BARC1 has made a bogey on hole-9 ;-)
[13:37] <daveake> Hah, golf courses are fun :)
[13:37] <daveake> Especially during a competition :/.
[13:37] <adamgreig> i've met some golfers with a terrible sense of humour about the whole thing
[13:37] <adamgreig> but some are pretty alright
[13:37] <daveake> hah
[13:37] <adamgreig> some are "oh yes no trouble, here's your weird box back, have fun"
[13:37] <daveake> Only had one land on a golf course
[13:38] <daveake> It was during an amateur comp. for the grey-haired members ...
[13:38] <adamgreig> not ideal..
[13:38] <daveake> ... got told "go out and get it, but try not to get hit by a ball"
[13:38] <M0NRD_Work> wonder if it got any lift going over the nearby power station?
[13:38] <daveake> It'd been picked up and put on a golf cart
[13:39] <daveake> They just got on with their game, being photographed as they did so :)
[13:40] <M0NRD_Work> probably got a drop shot ;-)
[13:40] <lostcause> so I'm decoding IRIS-1 image packets, are those actually going anywhere useful?
[13:40] <daveake> The only other time I was close to landing on a golf course, it dropped short and landed on a firing range instead :p
[13:40] <daveake> lostcause: http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[13:40] <M0NRD_Work> they are on the SSDV page http://ssdv.habhub.org/IRIS-1
[13:41] <lostcause> don't see IRIS-1 there?
[13:41] <lostcause> ah thanks
[13:41] <M0NRD_Work> not bad set of pictures for a RTTY flight, got the dimensions right ;-)
[13:41] <lostcause> but the telemetry isn't being used on the map from the RTTY?
[13:42] <M0NRD_Work> not on map is missing the payload doc
[13:43] <lostcause> and IRIS-2 is not broadcasting RTTY telemetry?
[13:44] <Ron_G8FJG> IRIS2 is LoRa 434.279 mode1
[13:44] <daveake> -1 is RTTY -2 is LoRa
[13:45] <lostcause> Understood. I can't help with LoRa I don't think.
[13:48] <M0NRD_Work> prediction putting it on the beach ;-)
[13:48] <lostcause> Right by a car park too it seems, nice.
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[13:48] <daveake> Might get lucky here :)
[13:48] <M0NRD_Work> turning south too
[13:49] <M0NRD_Work> lucky? it's Chapel St Leonards! *shudders*
[13:51] <M0NRD_Work> dropped out of range for me now
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[13:57] <daveake> holiday park
[13:57] <Ron_G8FJG> caravan no.3
[13:57] <daveake> probably been seen by now :)
[13:58] <M0NRD_Work> and/or praying to the God fallen from the sky
[13:58] <daveake> hah is it that bad there? :)
[13:59] <daveake> I guess it is a higher power
[13:59] <fsphil> the STP2 bear seems to have been released into the wild
[14:00] <M0NRD_Work> went there about 35 years ago as a kid, went back a few months back it hasn't changed
[14:02] <Ron_G8FJG> looks like IRIS2 missed the vans
[14:02] <M0NRD_Work> landed on someones gravel drive?
[14:02] <M0NRD_Work> I see potted plant.. any gnomes?
[14:03] <daveake> It rebooted
[14:03] <Ron_G8FJG> flower pot...Bill and Ben
[14:03] <daveake> Note to launcher: cover batteries/holder with duct tape
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[14:04] Action: daveake awaits pic of curious local
[14:04] <PE2BZ> They have to bear with it...
[14:04] <AndyEsser> daveake: goo.gl/7qeeTF
[14:05] <daveake> heh
[14:05] <fsphil> more likely cats where that is
[14:08] <daveake> IRIS-2 image is different this time ...
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[14:10] <M0NRD_Work> easy retrieve? https://goo.gl/maps/mQ8a3wPb7bF2
[14:11] <fsphil> very tiny houses
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[14:15] <M0NRD_Work> nice they got it back and it missed the telephone lines/houses and cars
[14:16] <fsphil> is that all todays flights recovered?
[14:18] <daveake> PACA1 went offshore
[14:19] <fsphil> ah, shame
[14:27] <M0NRD_Work> you never know, might wash up somewhere in six weeks time
[14:29] <daveake> yeah
[14:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8MSJ-1 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8MSJ-1
[14:30] <M0NRD_Work> happened to my first one
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[14:38] <daveake> I had that one wash up after a couple of hours, but my other sea landings have been lost
[14:38] <gonzo__> they had best go and get fish and chips and wait
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[14:55] <Dave_> Hi, how do i get the SSDV images off the server. We have just finished our flight (PACA1) sadly it ended up in the sea (2km offshore) so would like to get what i can fro the server
[14:55] <daveake> ping fsphil ^
[14:56] <fsphil> hi Dave_, I can zip them up for you if you'd like
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[14:58] <daveake> Possibly a larger balloon and/or higher ascent/descent rates would have made land on that flight, but it looks like a big risk however you play that one
[14:59] <fsphil> Dave_: https://ssdv.habhub.org/images/PACA1-2017-07-05.zip
[15:00] <fsphil> the .bin files are just the raw ssdv data, you probably don't need it
[15:01] <Vaizki> SIS is now short for "Seiko in Space".. ;) https://www.watchintospace.com/
[15:03] <fsphil> that page is 235% marketing
[15:03] <daveake> OK, so we know the ascent rate and gas; just need the balloon and payload sizes to guess the max altitude :)
[15:03] <fsphil> oh hello, haven't seen this in a while, https://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2017-07-05--11-27-05-STP1-16BC8.jpeg
[15:03] <Dave_> Dave, funny, the last predictor I ran about an hour before launch had us on land by a few miles, but i remember from your training that there is a few % error in the predictor
[15:04] <fsphil> a few miles is well in the danger zone
[15:04] <daveake> fsphil: Probably an old SD card
[15:04] <Dave_> Also we emptied the whole of the n10 tank in.
[15:05] <daveake> Dave_: You need to allow for +/- 10 miles in the average direction of travel, as a round figure
[15:05] <daveake> Ascent rate is the main variable usually
[15:06] <Dave_> Given the long drawn out struggle i have had for a launch window down here on the coast I have decided in future to try and get my next launch at Elsworth, if possible
[15:07] <Dave_> That said the school are delighted with the outcome. Kids loved, teachers really got on board, and the whole school saw the pictures and tracker going up in classrooms.
[15:08] <daveake> great
[15:08] <Dave_> Dave, thanks for the inspiration last summer, and the raspberry pi for the kit. I'm off to apologise for losing some
[15:08] <daveake> The live pix really adds something
[15:08] <fsphil> it is great fun to do it
[15:08] <daveake> Apologise? Nah just buy another one lol
[15:08] <nmcc> Dave_ I lost my payload on Monday, so you're in a special club
[15:09] <nmcc> I'm Skycademy 2016 as well
[15:09] <daveake> Upu and I have a phrase for you guys ...
[15:09] <daveake> ... "repeat customers" :D
[15:09] <nmcc> Dave, getting £200 out of a school budget won't happen soon
[15:09] <nmcc> Ouch
[15:09] <Dave_> fsphil, yes please
[15:10] <daveake> nmcc / Dave_ If you want to try again but don't have budget for a pits, I can probably sort you out with an old model
[15:10] <daveake> I keep failing to lose my collection :)
[15:11] <fsphil> hah
[15:11] <fsphil> you with your fancy high recovery rate
[15:11] <nmcc> Depends on how RPF are on replacing kit we've lost ...
[15:12] <lostcause> is BARC1 going up again tomorrow?
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[15:13] <daveake> nmcc I have no idea - speak to James
[15:14] <nmcc> It was a rhetorical question!
[15:16] <nmcc> However trusting of you to lend kit to people who lose theirs!
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[15:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KE5POJ-11 after 0313 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE5POJ-11
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[15:53] <Dave_> fsphil, thanks for the zip, brilliant :-)
[15:53] <fsphil> np
[15:53] <fsphil> you got some nice pics
[15:54] <fsphil> hopefully it washes up so you can get the originals of the SD card
[16:05] <Dave_> any tips on recovering a payload in the sea. Is it just fingers crossed someone finds by accident and sees the contact info?
[16:06] <murb> Dave_: something about messages in a bottle?
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[16:07] <fsphil> Dave_: yeah that basically. they sometimes get found by people walking along the beach
[16:07] <fsphil> doesn't happen too often though :(
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> Dave_: I recommend a large fleet of recovery boats blanketing the area.
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw
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[16:32] <Daveh> sorry accidently close my web browser before reading your responses about sea based recovery?, anything i can do?
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> Nothing after my helpful link of 'in the navy' by the village people.
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[16:38] <SpeedEvil> If you don't want to charter a boat or have one available, there is little option other than a somewhat waterproof payload, and a label on the side, with payload return instructions and offer to pay for this.
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[16:51] <daveake> Also, for next time, use a payload camera to take a photo of an address label
[16:51] <daveake> If nothing else survives the SD card will
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> SD cards are remarkably reliable.
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> microSD cards, rather.
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> many SD cards are poorly sealed.
[17:02] <SpeedEvil> MicroSD cards are one big blob of epoxy, silicon, and contacts.
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[17:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03W9YJ-11 after 0311 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W9YJ-11
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[18:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DZENNET_II_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DZENNET_II_chase
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[19:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DZENNET_II - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DZENNET_II
[19:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS8 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS8
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[20:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HF800PT-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HF800PT-11
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[20:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB-P30 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB-P30
[20:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STABILOTRON-II - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STABILOTRON-II
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[20:38] <jarod> https://www.flightradar24.com/HBAL060/df92bf9
[20:38] <jarod> nice
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[20:39] <jarod> https://www.flightradar24.com/C750/dfa0414 @ FL470
[20:39] <jarod> https://www.flightradar24.com/GLF5/dfa27e5 even higher on gps
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[20:50] <richardeoin> jarod: I hope the pilots have their oxygen masks on!
[20:50] <richardeoin> the number of 787s between FL390 and FL410 is quite impressive
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[20:56] <bertrik> what? those are balloons with ads-b transponders onboard?
[20:57] <richardeoin> apparently so https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/keep-your-eye-on-the-hbal-tracking-project-loon-balloons/
[21:02] <bertrik> nice
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[22:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03marc_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=marc_chase
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[23:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03u3s13 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=u3s13
[23:15] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-6
[23:15] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Atlantic Ocean 10(21.48107,-63.03785) at 0313999 meters about 03an hour ago
[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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