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[00:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BSS8 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS8
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[03:19] <DL7AD> Upu: pong
[03:19] <DL7AD> just got home
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[03:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K2MRQ_2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K2MRQ_2
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[05:15] <PE2BZ> !flights
[05:15] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03Humberstone 10(8bde), 03X116 10(8a0c), 03Soton_VL_Test2 10(eced)
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[05:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2EAT-13 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-13
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[08:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[08:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ7ACP-11 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ7ACP-11
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[08:45] <nmcc> Good morning! My 2nd July launch date puts the payload off Skegness and the 3rd is rather close to Kings Lynn & the Wash. I've tried a range of options for payload weight & ascent/descent rates but still too close for comfort. What are the best techniques for manipulating the parameters?
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[08:46] <gonzo__> the main way is to overfill the balloon, to be sure of an early burst
[08:48] <nmcc> That puts me in to ascent rates 7+ - is that stable?
[08:50] <craag> achieving 7+ with a latex balloon might be hard
[08:50] <nmcc> How so? I've a Howyee 500
[08:51] <daveake> Yeah needs a lot of gas. Better option might be to use a smaller balloon, which gives you a lower burst and needs less gas to achieve a high ascent rate
[08:53] <craag> I've seen balloons 'pancake' at high ascent rates, slowing the average ascent rate. Smaller balloon would be a lot surer way.
[08:54] <daey> craag: what do you mean with "pancake"? they flatten?
[08:54] <craag> yeah, increasing drag, slowing them down, at which point they speed up again, and repeat.
[08:54] <daey> interesting
[08:54] <craag> maybe not with a 500g
[08:55] <craag> but getting a smaller balloon if you can would be far less error prone
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[09:01] <nmcc> Ironically, a Howyee 200 (assuming I can get hold of one in time) ends up in the same place as it doesn't catch the west ward wind stream!
[09:01] <pb0ahx> !flights
[09:01] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03Humberstone 10(8bde), 03X116 10(8a0c), 03Soton_VL_Test2 10(eced)
[09:03] <daveake> yeah sometimes you need a bigger balloon, to catch the upper winds and bring it back clsoer to the launch site
[09:03] <daveake> Just play with the numbers on the predictor
[09:04] <daveake> I like to keep stock of several balloon sizes for this very reason
[09:04] <Darkside> also parachutes
[09:05] <Darkside> to lengthen or shorten ddescent paths
[09:05] <Darkside> a remote controllable cudown helps a LOT too :-)
[09:06] <nmcc> My first launch so not got lots and lots of kit (yet)
[09:07] <nmcc> It's Skycademy so trying to see if I can *reasonably* find a way to launch to save disappointment
[09:07] <nmcc> But as a pilot, I'm not going to do anything daft - I've seen what daft gets you
[09:12] <Vaizki> punk?
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[09:14] <nmcc> Lots of wreckage in the middle of the airfield with varying results for the bag of water that decelerated in to the cockpit panel.
[09:16] <fsphil> I prefer the punk kind of daft
[09:16] <nmcc> I think I'm running a zero sum game and will have to hang on for a couple of days to see if the wind abates somewhat - if I go down to 15,000m with a smaller balloon I get blown all the way to the wash, if I go to 33,000m with a bigger balloon I still get blown all the way ...
[09:16] <fsphil> though their recent stuff has been a bit of a wreckage
[09:17] <fsphil> sometimes you just gotta decide if the risk is too much, and delay
[09:17] <nmcc> You've no idea how much I prefer the Punk sort as well - takes ages to fill in the paperwork.
[09:17] <fsphil> you could still launch but with a more disposable payload
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[09:18] <nmcc> Not sure Raspberry Pi Foundation would be happy for me to chance their PITS tracker.
[09:18] <fsphil> maybe, though Upu won't mind
[09:19] <nmcc> They've already got me hooked so they're doing OK
[09:20] <nmcc> From the kids perspective, it's getting the payload back - because its "been in to space"
[09:21] <fsphil> yeah. well no, but I know what you mean :)
[09:22] <fsphil> I'm always the killjoy explaining to the kids that it's not going to space :)
[09:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GRP005 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GRP005
[09:23] <nmcc> Po-Tayto - Po-Tarto - if you can photo the curvature of the earth ...
[09:26] <fsphil> ... you're just really high up
[09:26] <fsphil> or using a gopro
[09:26] <fsphil> those pesky fisheye lenses
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[09:29] <craag> concave earth society!
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[09:29] <fsphil> hah
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[09:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-8 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-8
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[09:33] <gonzo__> sounds like a sorm in a teacup
[09:33] <gonzo__> storm
[09:34] <daveake> The new Git2P camera comes with the regular "curved earth from head height" lens, or a regular 90 degree lens
[09:36] <dbrooke> is it just me or is the tracker not loading properly? (first I lost maps and now refresh just gives me the logo)
[09:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> OK here
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[09:38] <dbrooke> thanks, I'll try to work out what I've broken
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[09:43] <dbrooke> fixed; proxy hadn't restarted after a kernel upgrade reboot but it seems I bypass it for habhub itself, hence confusing me by partly working
[09:45] <gonzo__> bloody computers, will never catch on
[09:46] <garymortimer> abacus FTW
[09:47] <fsphil> it's all been downhill since the BBC Micro
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[09:49] <garymortimer> You have set the theme tune going in my head fsphil
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[09:56] <dbrooke> looks like the VM boots quicker on newer hardware and the proxy tried to bind to an IPv6 address which wasn't yet configured
[09:58] <garymortimer> are any flights going today?
[10:00] <gonzo__> souton are on the calender
[10:01] <garymortimer> Yes, all a running a little late perhaps
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[10:07] <dbrooke> it's been steady rain most of the morning here (N. Cambridgeshire) but has stopped at the moment
[10:10] <murb> rainfree but overcast in south manchester.
[10:11] <AndyEsser> it's still raining here near manchester airport
[10:11] <AndyEsser> so much prefer this weather than last weeks
[10:12] <murb> indeed. last week was silly.
[10:13] <AndyEsser> I moved to North Wales to be promised almost exclusive cold, dark, wet weather
[10:13] <AndyEsser> if I wanted heat and sun, I'd have moved to Africa
[10:13] <murb> AndyEsser: my last visits to north wales have matched that expectation.
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[10:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03dad_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=dad_chase
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[10:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03car_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=car_chase
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[10:47] <gonzo__> anything from the southampton people?
[10:49] <gonzo__> I assume they are pico? No NOTAM
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[11:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STP2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STP2
[11:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STP1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STP1
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[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X0 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X0
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[11:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03Soton_FS after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Soton_FS
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[11:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[11:51] <gonzo__> souton is 434.250
[11:53] <Ron_G8FJG> 300/620 ish
[11:53] <gonzo__> I have 580hz, but ish
[11:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RTLS1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RTLS1
[11:54] <gonzo__> hmmm, getting very fluttery and waek now. That is not a great sign, inless a deep hull in ant
[11:54] <gonzo__> null
[11:55] <Ron_G8FJG> 580 is better ish!
[11:56] <PE2BZ> 434.250 is occupied ish...
[12:02] <gonzo__> getting deep fades
[12:02] <gonzo__> lot of flutter
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[12:03] <Ron_G8FJG> Ben ...it's the single most popular frequency in space time
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[12:04] <Ron_G8FJG> sounds like a spin dryer here
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[12:17] <pb0ahx> is X0 also in lora and rtty ???
[12:18] <Ron_G8FJG> yes lora and rtty
[12:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB4ELK-4 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB4ELK-4
[12:18] <pb0ahx> tnx Ron
[12:18] <Ron_G8FJG> lora 434.409 mode 0 at the mo
[12:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD8PPJ-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD8PPJ-11
[12:26] <gonzo__> souton signals just dies
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[13:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EXC3ITE_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EXC3ITE_chase
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[13:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS8 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS8
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[13:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03u3s13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=u3s13
[13:36] <pb0ahx> the Lora sigaal from X0 is better today than the rtty nice to see that
[13:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03X1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X1
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[13:49] <PE2BZ> !dial X1
[13:49] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[13:53] <pb0ahx> Xo team mni tnx for flight today the rtty signaal was drifting here the lora signaal was a lot better mni tnx
[13:54] <Ron_G8FJG> 434.500 =X0
[13:54] <Ron_G8FJG> X1 sorry
[13:56] <PE2BZ> also 75 bd ?
[13:56] <dbrooke> 50
[13:56] <Ron_G8FJG> 50
[13:57] <PE2BZ> Tnx for 100 bd ;-)
[13:57] <Ron_G8FJG> :-)
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[14:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G8KHW_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G8KHW_chase
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[14:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SAFlyerL after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SAFlyerL
[14:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SAFlyerR after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SAFlyerR
[14:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE8DQL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE8DQL
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[14:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KE0GEO-12 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GEO-12
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[15:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KE0GEO-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GEO-11
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[15:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0GEO-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GEO-13
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[15:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[16:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5GRE-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5GRE-11
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[16:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5JUT - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5JUT
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[16:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5JUT-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5JUT-2
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[17:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB9SKY-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB9SKY-11
[17:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9LHW-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9LHW-11
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[17:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03U3B1 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=U3B1
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[19:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK0WT - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0WT
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[19:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ANDYJ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ANDYJ
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[20:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DK0WT-LoRa after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0WT-LoRa
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[21:44] <amell> I think I missed a memo. How do I receive GMSK?
[21:45] <amell> Also HEIF looks interesting for Hab images...
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[21:48] <richarde1> amell: hey
[21:48] <amell> hey
[21:49] <richarde1> there's no particularly good way of receving the GMSK yet
[21:49] <amell> Ok. Your email piqued my interest
[21:50] <amell> I take it there's no software to do it yet
[21:50] <richarde1> the stations in Bristol and Farnham have hardware like this https://github.com/richardeoin/ax/tree/master/hw
[21:51] <richarde1> but it's not great with the current config I've got for those AX5243 chips
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[21:51] <richarde1> something like 8-10dB off where it should be
[21:52] <richarde1> a software decoder would be great, but it's way too far down my TODO list to get done
[21:53] <amell> How much bandwidth does 125kbps take? Is it less than Lora?
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[21:55] <richarde1> the spectral efficiency depends on the choice of gaussian filter ±
[21:56] <richarde1> ± = 0.3 gets pretty close to 1 bit/s/Hz
[21:56] <richarde1> so 125kbps would perhaps need at 150kHz channel
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[21:58] <richarde1> it's certainly less than Lora because it's not hopping about
[21:59] <richarde1> but then you loose the Lora processing gain, so swings and roundabouts
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[22:00] <amell> Interesting. Will read up on this further as it's the first I've heard of it
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[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[23:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
[23:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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