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[00:55] <MIG-29> Does anybody know if there is a UKHAS conference in 2017?
[00:56] <Ian_> Likely, but no one has stepped forward to organise it yet.
[00:59] <Ian_> I understood that Cambridge was considered to be a good location but it's in the lap of the Gods. Several of the big hitters have busy agendas and are unable to commit to organising, so it's in limbo just at the moment.
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[01:00] <Ian_> I liked Cambridge, it means no trains and faffingabout as I can drive down.
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[01:02] <MIG-29> For me any location in UK is equivalent since, if I attend, I will be coming from Romania :)
[01:04] <Ian_> I guess that by the end of this month more people will be asking the question. You could always open a topic on the Google groups.
[01:05] <Ian_> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/ukhas
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[01:10] <Ian_> The only mail on the subject has been https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/ukhas/PdCApwXOg6c and then everyone ducked.
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[08:13] <LA2K17> Thanks to those who tracked our flight yesterday. That vertical velocity wasn't as planned - aimed for 3 ms-1 but burst altitude just as wanted.
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[08:13] <LA2K17> From the chase car it seemed as if it stopped transmitting for a while over Kielder. It suddenly reappeared just as we stopped to investigate.
[08:14] <LA2K17> Managed to get within a mile of where it landed and we tracked it to 40 m above the surface so fairly easy to find.
[08:15] <LA2K17> Thanks again everyone. We'll be back.
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[08:21] <fsphil> your burst altitude was perfect
[08:21] <fsphil> no problems with recovery?
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[08:22] <fsphil> I wonder how CH's flights went yesterday
[08:24] <LA2K17> fsphil: Finding it was straightforward as it was still transmitting on the ground - or rather on top of the canopy of a 5 ft high oilseed rape crop.
[08:24] <SIbot25> In real units: 5 ft = 1.52 m
[08:25] <fsphil> yay the bot is back
[08:25] <fsphil> LA2K17: good to hear, sometimes recovery can be a pain even when you know where it is
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[08:25] <LA2K17> Mind you it landed about 20 m beyond the 400 kV supergrid line so must have come close to getting snagged.
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[08:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SAFlyerR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SAFlyerR
[08:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SAFlyerL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SAFlyerL
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[09:41] <PE2BZ> !flight
[09:41] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:42] <PE2BZ> !flights
[09:42] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03KNOCK1 10(9d35), 03knock3 10(5200)
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[10:32] <MIG-29_> See you guys! Hopefully we'll get more flights in the future!
[10:32] <MIG-29_> 73 YO4SJI !
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[10:46] Nick change: kokey_ -> kokey
[10:47] <kokey> gonzo_: thanks for the tip regarding the shelving, I got some and it's improved my life
[10:48] <kokey> and whoever mentioned clamps, flux, and whatever on here, and I know someone told me to get a temperature controlled soldering iron on here... my soldering's gone from worst ever to actually okay
[10:48] <kokey> thanks
[10:48] <gonzo_> kokey, np.
[10:49] <gonzo_> I never thought of gettint racking as a life changing event
[10:51] <gonzo_> though agree, temp controlled irons are something of an epiphany
[10:51] <fsphil> shelving gives you your desk back
[10:52] <Ian_> And some floor space too :)
[10:56] <gonzo_> and those metal racks sit well on desks, to stack test kit on
[10:58] <kokey> yeah desk right next to the shelves, so I use the edges of the shelves for stuff I want to use on the desk
[11:03] <gonzo_> racking is good, but too much of it does promote crap storeage
[11:03] <gonzo_> crap will always expand to fill the avail space, and the flooe and every available flat surface
[11:04] <AndyEsser> see also: adding lanes to motorways
[11:05] <gonzo_> the only thing more dangerous is sheds
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[11:08] <fsphil> basements and attics
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[11:10] <gonzo_> would love a basement
[11:11] <gonzo_> first week I was in my hosue I started digging test holes in the garden
[11:11] <gonzo_> they filled with water in min utes, so end of that idea
[11:12] <AndyEsser> ha
[11:12] <gonzo_> prob a good job, otherwise the whole garden would probably be undermined by now
[11:12] <gonzo_> (and a few others!)
[11:15] <gonzo_> we did start planning to dig out of the side of a friend's garage, under the neigbours driveway (the road was on wuite a slope) to put a wine cellar in
[11:16] <gonzo_> but he got cold feet. So built it uander the shed instead
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[11:20] <kokey> yeah I keep looking for a house with a big garden to put a basement under it
[11:20] <kokey> when we buy eventually, that is
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[11:21] <kokey> that's a good point though, will need one further up a hill or something
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[11:22] <kokey> I wasted a lot of time the other night trying to push code to an arduino, turns out using my cp2102 connector that I was using for my ESP8266 does not 'just work' on an arduino like the FTDI one does
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[11:27] <nmcc_> kokey: Cellars are for wine, some beer and a small cocktail bar
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[11:33] <gonzo_> and mad devices with sparking things, where you can sit and cackle
[11:35] <kokey> nmcc_: yup, the main purpose would be a bar and maybe movie room
[11:36] <kokey> our last house at a bedroom at the bottom which I used as an office and movie room, since 1080p DLP projectors are pretty cheap nowadays
[11:36] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: dropped you a DM
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[11:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[11:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-25 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-25
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[12:12] <Laurenceb__> !whereis HIRFW-6
[12:12] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb__: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(4.48107,-177.03785) at 0313999 meters about 037 hours ago
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[12:28] <pb0ahx> !flights
[12:28] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03KNOCK1 10(9d35), 03knock3 10(5200)
[12:28] <jmusac> Any suggestions for good 434 Mhz Yagi ?
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[12:29] <AndyEsser> http://www.radioworld.co.uk/diamond-a430s10r-430-440mhz-70cm-10-el-yagi
[12:29] <AndyEsser> http://www.radioworld.co.uk/diamond-a430s15r-430-440mhz-70cm-15-el-yagi-beam
[12:30] <pb0ahx> jmusac, look at http://www.qsl.net/dk7zb/start1.htm
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[12:31] <pb0ahx> than u can make it self
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[12:33] <michal_f> I was looking at that 15 elem recently
[12:33] <michal_f> this scared me off: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/7275
[12:34] <AndyEsser> michal_f: hmm.. interesting
[12:34] <AndyEsser> I should take my 10 ele apart and see if it has similar issues
[12:34] <michal_f> then there's this monster: http://www.cushcraftamateur.com/Product.php?productid=A719B
[12:35] <michal_f> 4m long
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[13:20] <PE2BZ> jmusac for fixed or mobile use ?
[13:20] <Mike-SA6BSS> got this one, good price, works great http://diesnerfunk.de/konni-20-70cm-richtantenne-20-element-15-dbd-p-1141.html
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[13:22] <PE2BZ> me and pb0ahx use this one for HAB work https://www.truckerswereld.nl/sirio-wy-400-6n/
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[13:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UolAETHER - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UolAETHER
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[13:30] <Vaizki> got my DJI Spark.. daaaaamn it's tiny and a goddamn wonder of image processing etc :O
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[13:32] <AndyEsser> https://www.dji.com/spark
[13:32] <AndyEsser> really bugs me that the people in the photo aren't actually looking at the Spark
[13:32] <AndyEsser> (I know it's separate images)
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[13:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8MSJ-1 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8MSJ-1
[13:36] <AetherRob> Excuse me, I'm part of the project Aether team currently transmitting in Leicester from a ground test and appearing on the "habhub track" map. I wondered how to go about getting our flight approved. We haven't yet, but will by late tonight, , decided on the launch date but it will be 27th or 28th.
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[13:39] <gonzo_> go to #habhub and ask there
[13:41] <craag> AetherRob: When you've made a flight doc, post the doc id (long string) into #habhub and ask for it to be approved.
[13:42] <AetherRob> We can't do the flight doc until we have chosen the flight date can we?
[13:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UoLAether_chase_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UoLAether_chase_chase
[13:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UoLAether_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UoLAether_chase
[13:42] <craag> Ideally not. But you could do it with a window to cover both dates, and just keep people up to date on here and on the mailing list.
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[13:46] <michal_f> nice little thing, Vaizki ...
[13:47] <michal_f> could it chase a balloon for a moment on launch site ? :)
[13:50] <AetherRob> We might be able to pick the date quite soon, we'll see what we can do.
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[13:54] <craag> :)
[13:55] <craag> If you want to give people a heads-up, then ping an email to the mailing list with the two dates so they know about it, and update & do the flight doc when youv'e decided.
[13:56] <craag> this is how I've often done it, flight doc being done ~1am before the launch :P
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[13:57] <daveake> heh
[13:57] <daveake> yeah I tend to do a "hoping to fly next weekend" sort of email on the list, then follow up with "sunday 9-10" or whatever 2-3 days prior to launch, and do the flight doc at that time
[13:58] <Vaizki> michal_f: yes you can point out at least a person or car or similar and it will automagically track it while shooting vide
[13:58] <Vaizki> video
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[14:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2EAT-13 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-13
[14:10] <AetherRob> Ok, we've just made a flight document with id 611cc11a0998a31cb54db4c11426735e please can we have this approved. We are running a transmission test right now and would also hope that we can confirm that what we are doing now properly meets the payload documentation ("UoLAether2_ver2" doc id:a543bd73b5eb6684cfbd8be164e321f2 )we created for the flight.
[14:11] <AndyEsser> you need to join #habhub and have it pasted there
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[14:11] <AetherRob> By the way, regarding the mailing list you mention, daveake, how do we ping an email to it?
[14:12] <daveake> UKHAS mailing list
[14:12] <daveake> You already used it
[14:13] <AetherRob> You mean the google group?
[14:13] <daveake> same thing
[14:17] <AetherRob> Ok, thanks, I've put some updates onto the thread at the ukhas google group (though they aren't past moderation yet.). I've also put a post into the habhub channel.
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[14:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB4ELK-4 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB4ELK-4
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[14:54] <AetherRob> Hi, can I just ask for an update on how approval is going. Thanks
[14:55] <daveake> Not here no
[14:55] <daveake> All the admins are in #habhub and that's the channel with the tools to approve flight docs
[14:56] <daveake> It'll happen; I wouldn't worry
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[15:05] <Ian_> AetherRob small point of interest. I gather that more than one of you are using the same AetherRob username here. No problem with that, but ensure that what is discussed with one is understood by all. Otherwise the communication takes on a flakey dimension with lots of repeats which begins to cause concern about understanding. So keep each other up to date about both questions and answers please.
[15:06] <AetherRob> It's just that until it has been approved I think I ought to keep the payload transmitting, and while it's transmitting I can't start any of the other things I need to do with it.
[15:06] <AndyEsser> you don't need to leave it transmitting
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[15:06] <Ian_> It's all about perception. :)
[15:06] <AndyEsser> we can see that the payload has been successfully parsed in #habhub not that long ago
[15:07] <jmusac> PE2BZ mobile use
[15:07] <PE2BZ> jmusac for tracking HAB or something like that ?
[15:08] <AetherRob> Ah, Ian, yes, just saw your post, I am, as far as I know the only person calling myself AetherRob, the other members of my team would be AetherOli, AetherRyan and perhaps some others too. If you note that I'm at a different ip address than last time I posted it's because I'm typing from a different computer.
[15:08] <jmusac> PE2BZ yes, for car chase
[15:08] <jmusac> chase car :)
[15:09] <PE2BZ> Car chase can be both omnidirectional (vertical, magnet mount) combined with a short (4 or 5 elements) yagi. How are your construction capabilities ?
[15:09] <PE2BZ> With some wood and metal you make a good mr. Mi Yagi yourself ;-)
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[15:10] <Ian_> Hi AetherRob, I don't have IP addresses spam me, so don't pick up on that. In the past teams of students have all used the same login and of course it gets confusing as they are all each busy but not updating each other very well.
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[15:13] <jmusac> PE2BZ limited construction capabilities. I only made cantenna once, and it was not very good.
[15:14] <AetherRob> I don't know if other members of my team have posted, but if they have and if they do they'll use names of "Aether[personal name]".
[15:15] <PE2BZ> cantenna was wifi 2.4 GHz ? That´s a bit more critical as 434 MHz :-)
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[15:16] <Ian_> Hey AndyEsser are you still pilot training or has work got in the way? Did you make it to the UK Space Conference in Manchester a few weeks ago?
[15:19] <PE2BZ> jmusac http://users.belgacom.net/hamradio/schemas/yagi_uhf_antenna.htm#6element
[15:20] <jmusac> PEBZ yes for 2.4 GHz :)
[15:22] <PE2BZ> jmusac or this one, and then only build the 70 cm part ? http://www.amateurradio.bz/4_dollar_satellite_antenna.html
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[15:32] <kokey> nice reddit AMA going about Zipline, a company that has a drone network delivering medical supplies in Rwanda
[15:33] <kokey> https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/6ix6nx/we_are_engineers_from_zipline_and_today_we_made/
[15:35] <jmusac> PE2BZ tx
[15:38] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8mLi-rRTh8 - SpaceX bulgariasat launch - ~19:00 start of coverage, 19:10 launch. (BST) Possibly with fairing recovery under parachute. Reused first stage.
[15:39] <AetherRob> Approval still hasn't come through but we've got to end the transmissions test now because we have to leave our current location now, I'll try to get back on here in an hour or two but won't have receiving kit at that time. Thanks
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> AetherRob: good luck
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[15:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Km4dri_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Km4dri_chase
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[17:48] <AetherRob> Just wondered if there had been any progress on the approval of the flight document for the UolAETHER flight, doc id number: 611cc11a0998a31cb54db4c11426735e
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[18:00] <daveake> Please, do this in #habhub not here
[18:00] <daveake> Just post the ID there and the bot will tell you the status
[18:03] <AetherRob> Thanks for the tip
[18:04] <AetherRob> Still not approved but the response on that channel indicates that our test a few hours ago was received ok
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[18:48] <gb73d> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8mLi-rRTh8
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[19:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[19:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-11 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-11
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[19:50] <AetherRob> Quick question while I wait, on the ukhas habhub track map any transmitting payloads or tests have a circle (usually green coloured) shown around them with a radius marked. What does this mean, is it something to do with the horizon distance as seen from the payload and hence a marker of the distance over which it can be picked up by receivers?
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[20:33] <SpeedEvil> yes
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> horizon distance, and 5 degree horizon
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> both assuming sea level reciever
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[22:07] <AetherRob> Ok, I'm going to disconnect now and try again tomorrow. I do assume that while I, upon loggin
[22:07] <AetherRob> g in see only the things posted after I've connected the admins can see all the approval requests stretching back hours?
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[22:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03d3xb0m_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=d3xb0m_chase
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[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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