highaltitude.log.20170619

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[00:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Jesus_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Jesus_chase
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[00:56] <aadamson> yeah -3 launches on 8/22, -6 on 9/20 :)... both on H2
[00:56] <aadamson> s/launches/launched
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[06:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-25 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-25
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[08:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS7 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS7
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[09:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[10:09] <lostcause> Does anyone have a good reference source for making pico balloon payloads?
[10:10] <lostcause> I feel I should put my left over helium to good use
[10:15] <fsphil> don't think there's such a reference source for making the payloads
[10:16] <fsphil> just keep them minimal, as light as possible
[10:16] <fsphil> ideally a single board with a battery and wire antenna
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[10:17] <JayDarker> I am planning on launching in around two weeks time. I have completed a payload and flight document is this correct?
[10:20] <Upu> hi Jay
[10:21] <Upu> do you have the flight document ID or name ?
[10:21] <JayDarker> IRIS
[10:22] <JayDarker> Sorry LaunchIRIS
[10:23] <Upu> have you tested it ?
[10:23] <JayDarker> The payload and tracker? Yes
[10:23] <Upu> come join us on #habhub pls
[10:23] <Upu> click that channel
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[10:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IRIS-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IRIS-2
[10:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EALPITS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EALPITS
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[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[11:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[12:14] <aadamson> is the tracker down this morning? no balloons show up on it.
[12:18] <Upu> hmm
[12:18] <Upu> you're not wrong
[12:20] <aadamson> whew, thanks for confirming, it all appears to be functional, just nothing shows on the map..:)
[12:24] <Upu> yeah I think GPSL broken it
[12:24] <Upu> broken ? Broke
[12:24] <aadamson> hehe... now thats funny!
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[12:28] <adamgreig> hmm let's play guess what part of the tracker system is broken
[12:30] <adamgreig> let's play "restart php and postgres"
[12:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LA2K17 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LA2K17
[12:30] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: good ol' turn it off and on again
[12:30] <AndyEsser> :)
[12:30] <adamgreig> aaaand we have balloons
[12:30] <adamgreig> cool cool
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[12:30] <Upu> cheers Adam
[12:30] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: how's the new tracker? :)
[12:30] <adamgreig> aaah
[12:30] <adamgreig> I actually got an email about it 45min ago
[12:30] <adamgreig> too many connections to the database
[12:30] <adamgreig> we've seen this before actually
[12:31] <adamgreig> there's some sort of subtle bug in how the tracker loads predictions from postgres that can cause the connection to stay open
[12:31] <AndyEsser> can you not stick pgpool in between?
[12:31] <adamgreig> meh
[12:31] <aadamson> wooo hooo, it's working ... thanks!!!
[12:31] <adamgreig> maybe?
[12:31] <adamgreig> it shouldn't happen anyway
[12:31] <AndyEsser> ah, but it does :P
[12:31] <AndyEsser> or a cronjob to restart things every 24 hours :)
[12:31] <AndyEsser> /me has definitely never done that in a live environment before...
[12:32] <adamgreig> lol what kind of a shop do you think we run
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[13:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MARIJA_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MARIJA_chase
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[13:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD2EAT-13 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EAT-13
[13:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5PGW-11 after 0313 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5PGW-11
[13:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC1DFW - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC1DFW
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[14:00] <Ahuddart> Hi all, still troubleshooting the issue with GPS lock I discussed yesterday, would a new Arduino require programming of clock speed and fuses to get habduino functioning correctly?
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[14:16] <daveake> No
[14:16] <daveake> What software do you have on it ?
[14:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE8DQL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE8DQL
[14:21] <lostcause> I had a gps lock with my habduino inside a closed freezer inside a building....I just used the antenna it came with...
[14:23] <lostcause> I notice in your photo you are using Duracell alkaline batteries, be sure not to use those for your actual flight. They last about an hour and a half and don't do well in the cold...
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[15:09] <Ahuddart> Those are just for testing, using energiser lithium for the launch.
[15:09] <Ahuddart> Using the V4 Habduino code downloaded from github
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[15:13] <daveake> Try new batteries - the UBlox doesn't like noisy power lines
[15:15] <Ahuddart> Will do, thanks for the assistance.
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[15:25] <Upu> back
[15:26] <Upu> make sure you are running it off the batteries too and not the USB
[15:26] <Upu> I won't rule out a faulty antenna its the only part we don't regularly test
[15:26] <Upu> if you're still suck Ahuddart PM me your order number
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[15:34] <Ahuddart> I tried a couple more batteries with identical results, are lithiums a must? Both tested have been Duracell or energiser alkaline.
[15:37] <lostcause> Should work anyway, I think I tested with Duracell myself, just they run out really fast
[15:37] <lostcause> So did we establish you are getting a signal / serial data, but just no GPS lock?
[15:40] <lostcause> I'm not that experienced with all this having just bought a habduino recently myself but I did get it working and launched and recovered it. It worked really well, so I can try to help a bit if I can. Are you using an original "genuine" arduino or a cheaper version?
[15:41] <Upu> Ahuddart: so to comfirm its just blinking red ?
[15:42] <Upu> check the gps antenna sma, check there is a pin in there #
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[15:46] <Ahuddart> I haven't got Dl-Fldigi set up to read signals yet, but the frequency transmitted is in line with that set within the arduino code so it's at least partly functional.
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[15:48] <lostcause> It should be outputting to the serial terminal in the arduino IDE?
[15:48] <lostcause> (obviously you can't check that when plugged in to batteries so easily)
[15:49] <Ahuddart> I've attempted with both a genuine and clone arduino uno. Upu, antenna pin seems to be correct, pin in centre and female pin on the board.
[15:49] <Upu> get it recieving there may be more information to be had
[15:49] <Upu> i.e if it has time
[15:50] <lostcause> What are you listening to it with an SDR? Can you record the signal and upload a wav of it to dropbox or something? Would be interesting to see if I can decode it :)
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[15:51] <Ahuddart> The serial monitor output was not readable, regardless of baud rate
[15:52] <lostcause> ah so that may be more of the problem, it maybe isn't a GPS issue? I think I got serial output even without GPS...Upu can confirm that
[15:52] <Ahuddart> I could probably give that a go, I just have a usb sdr and 434mhz preamp
[15:52] <Upu> are you using flextrack ?
[15:54] <Upu> I have to go I'll be back later on. I wouldn't expect any serial output on original V4 habduino code.
[15:54] <lostcause> oh sorry, I must have imagined that part :)
[15:54] <Ahuddart> I have tried , did not receive any data after the initial setup details output
[15:56] <lostcause> OK forget that then, how long have you left it trying to get GPS signal lock?
[15:57] <Ahuddart> A good 15-20 minutes in a fairly open area.
[15:58] <lostcause> Let me just go and look at mine a sec
[16:00] <Ahuddart> Thanks
[16:00] <lostcause> OK so this is going to sound daft, but your GPS antenna (the square block) has the writing about frequencies (silver side) face down, and the black part facing up to the sky!?
[16:01] <Ahuddart> Yep, at this point there is no daft ideas :)
[16:01] <Ahuddart> I also attempted with a 46 mm wire antenna as suggested by another member with no change
[16:02] <lostcause> Sounds really frustrating.
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[16:07] <lostcause> I didn't know you could use wire in place of a GPS antenna
[16:09] <Ahuddart> Apparently so, as long as the exposed wire is 1/4 wave length it works as a simple monopole antenna. Can't imagine the gain would be as good though.
[16:10] <lostcause> Yeah I just looked back at the chat history and saw that discussion. So that almost rules out the antenna is being the problem I guess.
[16:11] <lostcause> You could check continuity between the connector and the board I suppose?
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[16:13] <Ahuddart> Yesterday I did a check between the outer ground and centre pin of the SMA connector and was getting around 3.1 V.
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[17:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AMBERALERT_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AMBERALERT_chase
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[17:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-14 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
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[19:56] <joefly> hi all
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[20:18] <Hopper> joefly: Hi there
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[20:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[22:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS7 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS7
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[22:37] <lostcause> Anyone awake?
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[22:43] <Hopper> Over in the US.
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[22:53] <fsphil> who needs sleep
[22:53] <lostcause> Cool, so just wondering about pico balloons travelling over different countries with different radio regulations...
[22:54] <lostcause> do people just worry about the launch country mainly?
[22:54] <fsphil> you need to follow the rules of whatever country it's over at the time
[22:54] <lostcause> I mean I know there are some projects that attempt to change according to location, but for me that's a bit much to put on the end of a party balloon
[22:55] <lostcause> So you're saying all the pico balloons out there are changing their signal according to where they are?
[22:55] <adamgreig> yes
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[22:56] <adamgreig> no signals at all over china and north korea, aprs over the countries that permit it airborne, many swap callsign depending as well (can't use a uk licence airborne but can use a us one), ISM bands over UK/EU where we have listeners, etc
[22:57] <lostcause> Sounds expensive to do all that and then just wave it goodbye...I'm not sure I'm liking these pico balloons as much as I thought ;) I like the idea of getting my hard work back at the end of a flight.
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[23:00] <adamgreig> i mean it's all in code, it doesn't cost any more..
[23:02] <lostcause> How big a database does it have to store? I don't know, I was trying to start from scratch but I guess easier if I just use existing code and hardware. Trouble is, hardware that supports that kind of code is more expensive
[23:02] <adamgreig> not in practice I don't think
[23:03] <lostcause> Basically, I have some balloons and some spare helium and a whole load of electronic parts lying around. In my head I was just going to knock something together quickly and send it off. But in practice I think a pico is more complicated than a regular balloon.
[23:03] <lostcause> Because with a pico I'd want to keep cost and weight right down, but it seems complexity is increased.
[23:03] <adamgreig> then just have it stop transmitting entirely once it leaves the UK
[23:04] <lostcause> OK but then what am I trying to achieve ;)
[23:04] <adamgreig> launch a balloon? for cheaps?
[23:04] <lostcause> I can do that without any device on it all :)
[23:05] <fsphil> wouldn't be the first :)
[23:06] <lostcause> Do you think something like this could be used for anything? https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/282475811587?chn=ps&dispItem=1&adgroupid=33676502101&rlsatarget=pla-271883395355&abcId=893836&adtype=pla&merchantid=101753346&poi=&googleloc=9044881&device=c&campaignid=707291931&crdt=0
[23:06] <lostcause> sorry for long URL :/
[23:06] <lostcause> https://goo.gl/V2aqT8
[23:07] <fsphil> the annoying thing about ebay urls, it just needs the number at the start
[23:07] <lostcause> I've got lots of these already
[23:07] <lostcause> and I was going to try and link it to an ATMEGA88 chip
[23:07] <fsphil> those are just little AM transmitters. possibly not even that, maybe OOK
[23:07] <fsphil> you could do morse code with it
[23:08] <fsphil> or even hellschriber (sp?)
[23:08] <lostcause> Do you think they'd have the power to be recieved from very far?
[23:08] <fsphil> I doubt it, and the frequency stability is going to be pretty awful as soon as it gets cold
[23:09] <lostcause> I admire people who do these Pico balloons, but I'm beginning to think I'll stick with the big ones :)
[23:10] <fsphil> they are more difficult than normal latex flights
[23:11] <lostcause> Yeah I was fooling myself to think I could hack together something quickly that could work
[23:12] <lostcause> For me if I could spend a day working on something that cost say $40 in total and track it, then it's worth having a shot, but if I'm spending more time or money I prefer to launch something I can easily track and recover and put some cameras in etc. I think the picos are interesting for a different set of reasons
[23:13] <fsphil> you might have enough gas to fill a little 100g latex balloon
[23:14] <lostcause> I would have had if I hadn't over filled my last launch :) Never mind, that was necessary to stop it going in the sea.
[23:14] <fsphil> aye, better to be safe
[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[23:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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