highaltitude.log.20170608

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[00:54] <ulfr_> DL7AD: yo
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[00:56] <DL7AD> ulfr^: hi
[00:56] <ulfr^> Yay
[00:56] <ulfr^> you're awake
[00:56] <DL7AD> sure
[00:56] <ulfr^> How are you?
[00:56] <DL7AD> fine thx :)
[00:57] <DL7AD> I'm still working on a tracker
[00:57] <ulfr^> Nice
[00:57] <DL7AD> i've got them yesterday and now working on the software
[00:57] <DL7AD> i let them fully assemble
[00:57] <ulfr^> Cool, what chips are you using them these days?
[00:58] <DL7AD> an STMF413
[00:58] <ulfr^> Ah
[00:58] <DL7AD> newest stuff from ST :P
[00:59] <DL7AD> the chip is probably less than 6monthes out
[00:59] <ulfr^> Yeah, I see
[00:59] <ulfr^> it's pretty beefy thing for the size
[01:00] <ulfr^> I'm cleaning the dust of my old balloon files and getting my self ready for tests this summer
[01:00] <DL7AD> i thought you#re working on rockets
[01:00] <ulfr^> yes
[01:00] <ulfr^> I'll explain
[01:00] <ulfr^> We have a sounding rocket flying 200km to apogee
[01:00] <ulfr^> and then crashing into the see
[01:01] <ulfr^> But this time it's none-recoverable
[01:01] <ulfr^> on board we have 360° camera shooting at 4k or HD
[01:01] <SpeedEvil> neat
[01:01] <ulfr^> so we need to transmit that while in flight
[01:01] <DL7AD> wow
[01:01] <ulfr^> Anyone that has touched 4k knows how insane that's going to be
[01:01] <ulfr^> so I'm thinking of two quadstacked antenna trackers
[01:02] <DL7AD> whats the perigee? :P
[01:02] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-4m-240cm-KU-Band-Satellite-Dish-UK-Europe-Nilesat-Arabsat-Spain-/151722307552
[01:03] <ulfr^> there's no perigee
[01:03] <SpeedEvil> All you need is two of these.
[01:03] <SpeedEvil> The problem is the one at the top.
[01:03] <SpeedEvil> Where are you?
[01:03] <ulfr^> The launches will be done from Flight facility in Andoya, Norway
[01:04] <ulfr^> the ground stations will be stationed close by
[01:04] <SpeedEvil> What is the legal maximum power you can use
[01:04] <ulfr^> 200W
[01:04] <SpeedEvil> what's the mass of the payload
[01:04] <ulfr^> Few hundred kilos I think
[01:04] <ulfr^> I don't remember what Terrier improved malamut can carry
[01:04] <ulfr^> but our payload is around 33kg
[01:05] <ulfr^> no, sorry, that's pounds
[01:05] <ulfr^> 15kg or so
[01:05] <SpeedEvil> ah.
[01:05] <SpeedEvil> So you probably want the transmitter in under a kilo or so
[01:05] <ulfr^> I was thinking of 25W transmitter
[01:05] <SpeedEvil> and a small antenna
[01:05] <ulfr^> with two trackers
[01:05] <DL7AD> ulfr^: do you really want to transmit 4K?
[01:05] <SpeedEvil> do you have a chute?
[01:05] <ulfr^> DL7AD: not really
[01:06] <ulfr^> SpeedEvil: We don't know yet
[01:06] <ulfr^> But we have about 10-15m flight time, depending on whether we have a chute or not
[01:06] <ulfr^> DL7AD: I prefer HD, but 4k if possible
[01:06] <SpeedEvil> 10m seems unlikely
[01:07] <ulfr^> Not without a chute
[01:08] <SpeedEvil> I mean it seemed too long
[01:08] <ulfr^> oh
[01:08] <SpeedEvil> I was remembering falcon 9 stage 1 as 9 minutes launch to ground
[01:08] <ulfr^> well it stays at apogee for about 5 minutes
[01:08] <SpeedEvil> And that peaks at ~150km
[01:09] <SpeedEvil> and has retroburns
[01:09] <DL7AD> ulfr^: is the rocket controlled?
[01:09] <DL7AD> yours
[01:10] <SpeedEvil> Omni payload antenna -> 25W -> ~200km range -> 50 megabits seems 'challenging'.
[01:10] <SpeedEvil> (though I have not done the numbers)
[01:10] <ulfr^> our last launch from WFF was about 15 minutes with chute
[01:11] <ulfr^> iirc 2.5 minutes to 200km alt
[01:11] <ulfr^> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrier_Malemute
[01:11] <ulfr^> the launcher
[01:11] <ulfr^> SpeedEvil: indeed
[01:12] <ulfr^> That's why antenna trackers and diversity antennas on each tracker
[01:12] <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure the above dish would be adequte.
[01:13] <ulfr^> well, I could transmit at 100W I guess if I wanted
[01:13] <ulfr^> I mean I only need like 4 minutes of footage
[01:13] <ulfr^> the trick is to transmit HD or 4k at any reasonable rate with error correction
[01:13] <DL7AD> ulfr^: this rocket is huge. are you the only one, having a payload on it?
[01:13] <ulfr^> and then building the trackers
[01:13] <ulfr^> DL7AD: no, we're sharing it
[01:14] <ulfr^> we have a stack of 15kg and about 50cm high
[01:14] <DL7AD> how much weight are you allowed to put on it?
[01:15] <SpeedEvil> Also, transmitting high powers may interfere with other things.
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[01:15] <ulfr^> Yep
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[01:15] <ulfr^> Although I'm not so worried about the power
[01:16] <ulfr^> 5W or 25W would be fine
[01:16] <SpeedEvil> Have you done the SNR calcs
[01:16] <ulfr^> Not yet
[01:16] <ulfr^> I was just asked to think about this last night
[01:16] <ulfr^> i'm still looking for the right equipment to transfer the data
[01:21] <DL7AD> ulfr^: thats my pp8b https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwzVllHCGu5FZ3VKTGdJWmZManc
[01:21] <ulfr^> neat
[01:21] <DL7AD> but i only sample VGA
[01:22] <ulfr^> I was thinking of using small HABs for testing the tracker antenna this summer
[01:22] <DL7AD> i could transmit video with it too if i would have h264 or something similar
[01:23] <ulfr^> We have HDMI output on the camera
[01:23] <DL7AD> ulfr^: the stacked one?
[01:23] <ulfr^> Yes
[01:24] <ulfr^> I can get two trackers from Ce-tel
[01:24] <DL7AD> are you coming to the conference this year?
[01:25] <ulfr^> I might
[01:25] <ulfr^> Do you remember the dates it's running this year?
[01:25] <DL7AD> the dates are not decided yet
[01:26] <DL7AD> i even dont know where it takes place
[01:26] <ulfr^> Last time I showed up was quite spontanious
[01:26] <DL7AD> :D
[01:26] <ulfr^> Booked flight two days before without knowing where to stay
[01:26] <ulfr^> 'twas an adventure
[01:26] <DL7AD> well... when i told you, i never thought you will come
[01:27] <DL7AD> didnt you book a flight somewhere else the first time?
[01:27] <DL7AD> by error
[01:30] <ulfr^> yeah, to Bergen
[01:31] <ulfr^> or rather, the booking office recommended Iceland > Bergen > London because it was cheaper
[01:31] <ulfr^> so I did a 4 hour layover in Bergen before going to the UK
[01:31] <ulfr^> Direct flight was like 2 times more expensive
[01:32] <ulfr^> I flew to Sweden earlier this year, same thing, it was cheaper to stop by for few hours at heathrow than doing direct flight
[01:54] <ulfr^> DL7AD: how heavy are your transmitters?
[02:01] <DL7AD> ulfr^: sry for the delay. maybe 3g just the pcb
[02:01] <DL7AD> ops.
[02:01] <DL7AD> 5.9g
[02:01] <DL7AD> with pin header to be fair :P
[02:01] <ulfr^> that's not a lot
[02:02] <ulfr^> 10mW TX?
[02:02] <DL7AD> 100mW
[02:02] <ulfr^> Where do I place an order?
[02:03] <DL7AD> lol
[02:04] <DL7AD> many people ask
[02:05] <DL7AD> this is the pp8b. it worth 250¬. i may sent you some empty pcb's of the pp9a. the pp9a is only ~80¬. one single pcb is maybe 2...3$
[02:05] <DL7AD> i try to make the pp9a sellable
[02:06] <DL7AD> the pcb came yesterday
[02:06] <DL7AD> and we haven't build one yet
[02:06] <DL7AD> the pp9a doesnt require the BGA anymore
[02:06] <DL7AD> thats the reason why it got so cheap
[02:06] <ulfr^> It txes for both aprs and hab freq?
[02:07] <DL7AD> yes. it can do that
[02:07] <DL7AD> SSDV/RTTY and SSDV/APRS protocol
[02:07] <DL7AD> aprs 1k2 or 9k6
[02:08] <DL7AD> i've tried 19k2 but i have only a SDR to receive 19k2. it worked, but the SDR failed to receive 20% of the packets.
[02:08] <DL7AD> 9k6 works fine
[02:09] <DL7AD> but i use a proper TNC for 9k6
[02:09] <DL7AD> ulfr^: https://github.com/DL7AD/pecanpico9
[02:10] <DL7AD> that will become the new (cheap) one
[02:11] <ulfr^> One normal balloon that I can buy at store can hold 50g of payload
[02:11] <ulfr^> and still burst like a normal ballon
[02:11] <ulfr^> Might be stretching it a bit
[02:12] <ulfr^> DL7AD: I'm just thinking of trackers to do varies of tests to test the function of the antenna tracker array
[02:13] <ulfr^> If I can stick 4 2m antennas on those fuckers, they can surely handle antennas for 5.8GHz
[02:13] <ulfr^> which would be the end goal
[02:14] <ulfr^> I wonder who is managing the cusf module these days
[02:14] <ulfr^> model*
[02:15] <DL7AD> i think craag does
[02:16] <DL7AD> and danielsaul
[02:17] <DL7AD> i will reboot my computer
[02:17] <DL7AD> i've got a usblib failure
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[02:27] <DL7AD> ulfr^: here we go
[02:27] <ulfr^> yeah
[02:27] <ulfr^> us computer nerds, have the most broken computers
[02:27] <DL7AD> i have broken usb cables too
[02:27] <ulfr^> it's like my desk at work
[02:27] <ulfr^> and my workstation
[02:28] <ulfr^> I spend more time repairing it than actually doing work
[02:28] <ulfr^> prototyping 4tw!
[02:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS6 after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS6
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[03:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[04:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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[09:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS6 after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS6
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[11:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[11:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03u3s10 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=u3s10
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[11:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[11:49] <lostcause> hi dbrooke any way you can send some kind of signal I can try to receive to test my antenna?
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[11:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ5AM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5AM-11
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[12:01] <lostcause> Anyone know if G0HWW or G8KNN hang about in here? I'm just guessing that someone might be able to send me a test signal (but I'm not a radio person so perhaps this is not the way it works)
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[12:02] <adamgreig> it's not likely anyone could send you a test signal short of actually launching a balloon
[12:02] <adamgreig> the difference between two stations on the ground compared to you on the ground and your balloon 200km away and 30km up is _huge_
[12:02] <adamgreig> you might get 100m range on the ground and 100km range in the sky
[12:03] <lostcause> Oh right, pity. I guess next best thing is I take my transmitter somewhere. Trouble is around here it's all flat, so there's no hill or anything.
[12:03] <adamgreig> but even then, it would be on the ground
[12:04] <adamgreig> you might put the transmitter out of an upstairs window and see how far away you can walk and still receive
[12:04] <adamgreig> what is your receive antenna and radio?
[12:04] <adamgreig> what transmitter?
[12:04] <lostcause> I know this isn't a radio channel (maybe I should find one) but, what should I reasonably expect to be able to pick up from my 70/30cm antenna anyway? I currently have an rtl dongle attached to a diamond x50
[12:05] <adamgreig> it might as well be a radio channel, honestly
[12:05] <lostcause> I mean 70/2 I think
[12:05] <adamgreig> rtl dongle will likely be the weakest link as they are relatively unsensitive
[12:05] <adamgreig> 70cm/2m indeed
[12:05] <adamgreig> x50 is a fine antenna
[12:05] <adamgreig> where are you located?
[12:05] <lostcause> March, Cambridgeshire
[12:05] <adamgreig> you might consider waiting for the next balloon flight that's vaguely in your neck of the woods and see if you can receive it
[12:06] <adamgreig> not sure if any are coming up from cambridgeshire soon though
[12:06] <lostcause> Yeah the problem was I couldn't receive my own flight a week ago from it, even when I could get it on a cheaper dongle with an inside antenna
[12:06] <adamgreig> your flight that was in the sky?
[12:06] <lostcause> yeah
[12:06] <adamgreig> ok, that does sound more like a setup issue then
[12:06] <lostcause> I lost it within minutes
[12:07] <lostcause> and I don't think it ever should have gone out of range
[12:07] <adamgreig> it might your dongle is bad, it might be that you have too much or bad coax between the dongle and the x50 antenna
[12:07] <adamgreig> where is the x50 mounted/installed?
[12:07] <lostcause> Yep, but the trouble is, I've fiddled with all that a bit, but not sure how I test it
[12:07] <lostcause> I also have an airspy mini I can attach to it instead (but I have software issues with that)
[12:08] <lostcause> It's not that high, it's on a low roof on the end of a broom stick!
[12:08] <adamgreig> airspy mini ought to be a lot better than the rtlsdr
[12:08] <adamgreig> how long is the cable between the antenna and the receiver, and how good/expensive/thick is it?
[12:09] <lostcause> ah,well that cable might be too long and too cheap, that wouldn't surprise me. Hang on I'll tell you exactly what it is...
[12:09] <lostcause> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01FX0E0HK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[12:10] <adamgreig> eh, shouldn't be overwhelmingly terrible
[12:10] <adamgreig> I'd definitely consider getting the airspy mini working, it's better than a normal rtlsdr
[12:11] <adamgreig> you might consider getting a preamp, which is a little amplifier you install at the antenna, and is powered by the airspy mini
[12:11] <lostcause> I had to resolder the end of it a few days ago as it came off. That could well also be the problem although the repair looks good
[12:11] <adamgreig> (down the same coax radio cable the signal goes)
[12:11] <adamgreig> yes that could well also be a problem
[12:11] <Vaizki> lostcause: measure that it's not shorted
[12:11] <Vaizki> there should be no electrical contact between center conductor and shield
[12:11] <lostcause> ok so make sure I don't have continuity between the pin and the shield?
[12:11] <Vaizki> yes
[12:11] <adamgreig> and conversely there should be contact between the two centres on either end, and the two shields on either end
[12:11] <lostcause> ok yeah good idea, I'll do that
[12:11] <adamgreig> of the connectors
[12:12] <lostcause> yeah getting to the ends is a bit of a pain the way I've installed the antenna, but certainly measuring for short is a simple enough idea
[12:12] <adamgreig> check both connectors have centres connected together, shields connected together, and neither have shields connected to centre
[12:12] <Vaizki> if you have the antenna connected, it might show a short
[12:12] <Vaizki> you should measure just the cable
[12:13] <Vaizki> not sure about x50 (although I have one..) but my boat vhf antennas appear shorted out to DMMs (which use DC current to measure resistance)
[12:13] <lostcause> OK good ideas thanks, I'll do all that. But my point really is, once I'm sure the cable is good, what can I tune into?
[12:14] <Vaizki> it's not a short for RF of course, just for DC.. :)
[12:14] <Vaizki> 433.900 should show you loads of nearby ISM stuff like weather stations etc
[12:14] <adamgreig> there might be some local repeaters near you too
[12:15] <adamgreig> amateur radio users on 434MHz
[12:16] <adamgreig> given how flat cambridgeshire is you might be able to pick up GB3PY
[12:16] <adamgreig> or at least GB3PI
[12:16] <adamgreig> http://www.cambridgerepeaters.net/repeaters/gb3pi/
[12:16] <adamgreig> tune to 145.750MHz or 433.2MHz and listen for occasional morse identifcation and people chatting
[12:18] <AndyEsser> FM Radio is only slightly out of band for the X50 - I used a radio station nearby to test mine with SDR# and an RTL-SDR as well
[12:18] <lostcause> ok so with FM I should expect to hear something but not get it tuned in nicely. And on the 145.7 I should listen in USB mode?
[12:19] <adamgreig> the repeaters are all FM mode
[12:20] <lostcause> ok I'll go test my cable a bit I think
[12:45] <gonzo_> 433.900 is usually quite busy with blips and boops, in anywhere that is near population
[12:45] <gonzo_> I use that as my sanity check, when I switch the kit on
[12:46] <gonzo_> there should be plenty to see in the waterfall, over a +-200kHz spread
[12:49] <lostcause> I mean I'm getting a very quiet conversation between farmers on 145.588 and again on 145.717, but it's not a clear signal. I also get a burst of morse on 145.629 every 15 to 30 minutes (must be a callsign) but I don't know if I'd get all that without an antenna attached anyway.
[12:50] <AndyEsser> unplug it from the rtlsdr
[12:50] <Ian_> You could always test that premise by detaching the antenna ^^
[12:50] <lostcause> ok
[12:50] <AndyEsser> as a minimum when attaching/detaching the antenna - you should see your noise floor vary
[12:51] <Ian_> or jump
[12:51] <lostcause> ok so no difference at all.
[12:51] <lostcause> oh wait, no hang on there's a delay
[12:51] <lostcause> (using tcp)
[12:51] <lostcause> yeah that's lost all signals completely
[12:52] <Ian_> Germoline is recommended
[12:52] <lostcause> Savlon I always say
[12:52] <Ian_> TCP tastes nasty
[12:52] <lostcause> ok so detaching it makes a difference.
[12:52] <lostcause> like between nothing and something
[12:59] <Ian_> I have a policy of not buying more than a 10m length of RG58 as it's quite lossey at 434MHz. A preamp at the antenna end will improve the signal and overcome cable noise. Put it at the rx end and it will amplify both signal and cable noise; so don't do that.
[12:59] <Ian_> The signal that it would be amplifying would be well down on that available at the antenna end too.
[12:59] <lostcause> I could certainly shorten the antenna cable as I have quite a bit hanging loose
[13:00] <Ian_> If you could safely half it then that would be useful, if you can only take a couple of metres off, then it's probably better to swallow it. (not the cable)
[13:01] <lostcause> Does the exact length of that cable matter then?
[13:04] <lostcause> Something like this goes at the dongle end, is there an equivalent for the antenna end and how does one power it? https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=53
[13:07] <Ian_> No. but at 434MHz it is beginning to lose available signal in cable losses. Check out the attenuation at 200MHz per 10m around 2.5dB
[13:07] <Ian_> 3dB is half your power; this is for supposed military grade RG58, is yours the best with tight tinned braid?
[13:07] <Ian_> http://www.nevadaradio.co.uk/cables-leads-plugs/antenna-cable/nevada-rg58cu----per-length
[13:08] <Ian_> Almost forgot the link.
[13:10] <Ian_> The amp you showed is designed to go at the antenna end (ideally). In practice 2-3m of cable from the antenna to a protected area in a roof space or <1m to a protective box with shroud and connectors protected underneath.
[13:10] <SpeedEvil> There are much lower loss coaxes at 434
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> http://www.nevadaradio.co.uk/cables-leads-plugs/antenna-cable/nevada-wf-100 1.3dB@10m@433MHz
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> (0.9@200)
[13:12] <lostcause> OK so all that is fine, but I'm pretty sure none of that was the problem with my flight. Since I could get the signal from a tiny cheap dongle (6 quid) with a crappy antenna inside the building at a point where I couldn't get a good steady signal from the x50 on the roof, the problem was more than just coax or preamp surely?
[13:12] <Ian_> There is Aircell-7 and it's big brothers, which are significantly better at 434MHz but first principles are to make the best of what you have.
[13:13] <lostcause> the signal I got very quickly went kind of wobbly on the waterfall, left and right, not a steady one, and then was lost quite soon after that
[13:13] <Ian_> I am inclined to agree with you.
[13:15] <Ian_> On the bottom of an X-50, is it an N-type connector or PL-259? if N-type is the pin installed correctly.
[13:15] Action: Ian_ goes to have a gander at an N-type plug.
[13:15] <lostcause> packaging says the connector is N-J
[13:16] <lostcause> Cable is https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01FX0E0HK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[13:17] <gonzo_> try and avoid the cheepo N types connectors. The only type to use are the ones that hold the centre pin captive. Usually between wto bits of PTFE
[13:17] <gonzo_> some rely on the coax to hold the pin and they tend to allow the pin to pull inside the connector and not make a contact
[13:18] <lostcause> it certainly happened at the dongle end
[13:18] <lostcause> I had to resolder it
[13:18] <gonzo_> or poke out too far and break the socket you are connecting to
[13:19] <gonzo_> maplin sell those crappy type. Just avoid them
[13:21] <Ian_> ^^ If the socket looks like the receiving pin(split socket) is noticeably splayed, then it has been forced. Shouldn't be the case of course.
[13:22] <gonzo_> the tip of the pin should be almopst level with theground collar/fingers
[13:22] <Ian_> +1
[13:23] <lostcause> ok will get up the ladder soon, I promise...it's lovely weather outside :/
[13:24] <gonzo_> actually, exactly level
[13:24] <gonzo_> good excuse to be up a ladder
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[13:28] <Ian_> http://www.wimo.com/mast-preamplifier_e.html this is what a masthead containment for a preamp should look like. The shroud protects all the connections from rain ingress.
[13:29] <Ian_> Upu had a good picture of an installation 2/70 that he made, but I can't find it just at the moment.
[13:29] Action: Ian_ scrabbles about looking.
[13:31] <Ian_> There you go http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=927
[13:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RSISP - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSISP
[13:36] <lostcause> thanks, bbl
[13:36] <Ian_> You can see where Upu has mounted the one connector of each (868MHz and 434MHz) preamp directly on the plate and used right angle bulkhead mounting patchleads (yes, he sells those too, I believe) to extend the other end also to the plate which mounts horizontally under a spiffing cover, but don't quite know where he got that from.
[13:39] <Upu> I sell those too Ian :)
[13:41] <Ian_> I just noticed. . . in the article and was about to say. Is there no limit to your ingenuity I ask myself! :)
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[13:44] <gonzo_> you can do supprisingly well with just an open base plastic box. the condensation will get onto the components, but if they run even slightly warmer than the surroundings, they tend to stay dry
[13:45] <gonzo_> keeping all moisture out is very difficult, air pressure changes will cause even sealed boxes to breath and you get moisture trapped inside
[13:46] <gonzo_> so when you have waterprooed your enclosure, always drill a few drain holes to ley the water out
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[13:52] <Upu> Yeah those we sell aren't water proof but they work
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[14:16] <Ian_> Beehives aren't waterproof, but they can be cosy warm and not at all damp. Saw someone doing a bee jig yesterday, slapping and dancing like a lunatic. t-shirt off . . . why? Like divesting your clothes with hypothermia.
[14:18] <Ian_> I slipped away quietly, having been followed by said evil bees. I guess I might earn a few choice words next time I speak with my landlord . . . :) I bet his wife didn't know he could dance as well! She made for the car.
[14:29] <daey> Ian_: bees actually control the temperature in the hive
[14:32] <Ian_> :) Never? You can put your hand between the frames whilst inspecting and feel the warmth. In winter it is very apparent. Not that I inspect in the winter. beekeeper/bee farmer for nine years.
[14:34] <Ian_> Apiary in question are a couple of 100m from people but are evil followers. I will requeen them after the summer crop. Evil bees are often very productive bees. Best to be productive and laid back.
[14:47] <gonzo_> A friend went to collect a hive under duress, and there was no option but to wrap it in an old dogs blanket from the boot of the car
[14:47] <gonzo_> apparently there was quite a bad tempered noise coming from the back all the way home
[14:48] <gonzo_> and the hive cointinued to be angry for a number of generations of bee
[14:48] <gonzo_> hive memory
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> There is a lot of research going into how bees respond and remember events as a colony. Beehavioural scientists.
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[15:11] <daveake> hah!
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[15:12] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-6 was over 03Caspian Sea 10(37.89774,49.62881) at 0313776 meters about 0329 minutes ago
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[15:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LHS_SKY after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LHS_SKY
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[15:35] <Ian_> Requeening is often the only answer when bees really get edgy. It takes maybe a couple of months for a total bee change though.
[15:36] <Ian_> I've had one or two . . . lost count . . . passably bad experiences in my time, but I see at least 100+ colonies every week.
[15:36] <Ian_> afk rehearsal having.
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[17:08] <Mike-SA6BSS> new sdr-console v3 preview 32-bit: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ihy6mq5to4bbisu/SDR-Radio%20V3%2C%2032-bit%2C%202017-06-07_0622.exe?dl=0 64-bit: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ykalxnf934doy0i/SDR-Radio%20V3%2C%2064-bit%2C%202017-06-07_0620.exe?dl=0
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[17:22] <PE2BZ> Mike-SA6BSS nice to see support for the Airspy server, much less bandwidth for an rtl dongle over the world wide web
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[17:29] <Vaizki> sdr console already had its own client-server model where it streams only the demodulated audio and compressed waterfall
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[17:29] <Vaizki> quite bandwidth friendly
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[17:38] <PE2BZ> That´s true, but that did not run on a Linux (Pi, Beaglebone) system. This does, and quite well I must say !
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[20:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03CHANGEME after 0316 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHANGEME
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[21:04] <aetheroli> Hi, I'm trying to fill in the parse configuration for a payload document on habhub, but I'm getting a checksum not recognised message. Any ideas?
[21:05] <aetheroli> Fldigi is reporting that the checksum is valid and it's the default provided with a habduino
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[21:09] <daveake> Which type of checksum did you choose in the payload doc ?
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[21:14] <aetheroli> daveake: I tried to use the wizard. Would it be better to input it manually?
[21:14] <daveake> No idea never used it. What type of checksum did it come up with ?
[21:16] <aetheroli> It said that it didn't resemble a checksum type
[21:17] <daveake> Well that might be something to do with it
[21:17] <daveake> Correct option is the crc16-ccitt one
[21:17] <aetheroli> Okay, I'll try that with manual
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[21:24] <aetheroli> How do you use the intermediate and post-parse filters?
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[21:26] <daveake> Never have
[21:26] <daveake> What do you need those for ?
[21:28] <aetheroli> Okay, I was just curious I don't need them
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[21:29] <aetheroli> Well it let me input the sentences manually so that's great, it was just the wizard that wasn't liking it.
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[22:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5PGW-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5PGW-12
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[23:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
[23:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5QI-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5QI-9_chase
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[23:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RSIST after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RSIST
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[23:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KI6RC-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KI6RC-11
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