highaltitude.log.20170506

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[01:26] <Laurenceb_> https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-01467061/document
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[05:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HS0K-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HS0K-11
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[06:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HS0J-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HS0J-11
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[07:42] <PE2BZ> !flights
[07:42] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: There are no flights currently :(
[07:45] <PE2BZ> This afternoon from Germany they try a new height record. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/XaG8n6xHJbQ
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[08:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GKCPWS2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GKCPWS2
[08:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !flights
[08:47] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: There are no flights currently :(
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[08:54] <daveake> Not sure I'd fly this (jakeio's launches) ... http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=58479e0c2713d60f8adae68b59f281b796126ad7
[08:54] <pb0ahx> !flights
[08:54] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: There are no flights currently :(
[08:55] <daveake> much tree
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[09:15] <PE2BZ> daveake higher as this one ? https://goo.gl/photos/Qd9uY4txRA8hRxHZ6
[09:17] <daveake> That's not high!
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[09:20] <PE2BZ> About 9 meters. And a constructors place as neighbours :-)
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[09:33] <pb0ahx> i know that guy
[09:38] <PE2BZ> Me too. Thats what we call an OM over here. A very OM ;-)
[09:39] <swaledale_SteveJ> is jakeio in here? I just replied to the mail thread about his launches. anyone else think its an example of when not to launch?
[09:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[09:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Also lack of notice! It would help with that many trackers to have lots of receivers yet its less than 24 hours notice even if it had appeared instantly!
[09:54] <swaledale_SteveJ> a 24 hour delay gives a completely different flight prediction. i feel the pain of having to organise school 'events' though, difficult to be ambiguous about times and ask for commitment at the same time
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[10:16] <M0RJX> ping daveake
[10:16] <M0RJX> !me
[10:16] <M0RJX> +me
[10:17] <M0RJX> blah!
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[10:38] <fsphil> identity crisis?
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[10:57] <daveake> pong M0RJX
[10:57] <daveake> ping jakeio
[10:57] <M0RJX> Hey
[10:57] <M0RJX> I'm just sorting out the calling mode cahnges
[10:57] <daveake> briefly back. Well, might not be briefly ...
[10:57] <daveake> k
[10:57] <M0RJX> so hopefully with have version 1.8.8 ready to roll
[10:57] <daveake> k
[10:58] <M0RJX> I've fixed the calling freq 433.650
[10:58] <M0RJX> is there one for 869?
[10:58] <daveake> No - no need
[10:58] <M0RJX> ok so just skip this mode if the chip is 868
[10:59] <daveake> The 869 band allows for much wider bandwidths, so not restricted to the 20kHz mode
[10:59] <daveake> PIN jakeio
[10:59] <M0RJX> ie there is no calling channel for 869
[10:59] <daveake> +G
[10:59] <daveake> no
[10:59] <daveake> really no need
[11:00] <M0RJX> Humm so you send a balloon up on 869.345 and we shouldn't have a calling frequency on 869.650 so all gw's can monitor this for a launch?
[11:01] <M0RJX> Is calling for channel hoping?
[11:01] <M0RJX> Hence you comment on the larger frequency.
[11:01] <daveake> The only reason I have (others may differ) for yusing 869 is to make use of the 300kHz bandwidth.
[11:02] <M0RJX> Ok cool
[11:02] <daveake> In which case there is only one frequency to use (slap bang in the middle of that band)
[11:02] <M0RJX> Lets forget about 869 calling for the time being and I'll just skip the mode if you have a 869 chip
[11:02] <daveake> agreed
[11:03] <daveake> There are other bands around 868/869 that could be used but no advantage over 434
[11:03] <daveake> and as everyone has 434 aerials and few have 868 aerials, I can't see those being much used
[11:04] <daveake> 915 would be different for USA folk as it's ISM there and 434/868 aren't
[11:04] <daveake> but meh they can decide what they want to do :)
[11:05] <daveake> jakeio I really need some response from you ... need to discuss flight paths and whether it's worth me coming down to help
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[11:15] <daveake> ..............@.............................
[11:45] <jakeio> I got your call, sorry!
[11:46] <daveake> On my way
[11:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03APERTR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=APERTR
[11:52] <swaledale_SteveJ> jakeio do you want some help chasing?
[11:54] <daveake> I'll answer for him ... YES
[11:55] <swaledale_SteveJ> ok, too late for me to get to launch site really, so will go chasing
[11:55] <daveake> Great
[11:56] <daveake> I'll be there in 5 min
[11:56] <swaledale_SteveJ> maybe c u later then, got your number i think
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[12:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0GOJ - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0GOJ
[12:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DUNA1-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DUNA1-12
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[12:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XWING - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XWING
[12:18] <daveake> Published frequencies all 5kHz higher than actual, according to my 817
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[12:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HAMHAB - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HAMHAB
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[12:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GGBOIS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GGBOIS
[12:32] <daveake> First 2 to launch should be hamhab (434.595) and ggbois (434.170)
[12:32] <daveake> gscotf/buzz not launching
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[12:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STRICO1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STRICO1
[12:43] <pb0ahx> daveake, on wat time launc ??
[12:43] <daveake> no sign of filling yet so 30mins+
[12:45] <pb0ahx> ok tnx
[12:48] <M0RJX> !flights
[12:48] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: There are no flights currently :(
[12:48] <M0RJX> Is there a flight today?
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[12:54] <M0RJX> daveake, a quick question. If your in calling mode and it times out should it go back to the calling frequency? Ie should you tune to the calling frequency, get a new frequency, tune to new frequency and stay there sol long as you keep getting data and then if you time out you go back to the calling frequency?
[12:55] <M0RJX> It just looks like there is a return to the Frequency in gateway.txt which I'm not sure if it should be set to the payload you want to track or the calling frequency
[12:57] <daveake> It should go to the calling frequency
[12:57] <daveake> currently that's whatever is set in gateway.txt
[12:57] <daveake> For what you're doing, it's hard-coded (I think)
[12:58] <daveake> i.e. at present one would set the calling frequency and mode, and just leave the thing to do its job
[12:59] <daveake> With the mode cycling function, calling mode needs to set calling mode frequency regardless of what the initial frequency was according to gateway.txt
[12:59] <M0RJX> Ahh that probably explains the errors I'm getting cos at the moment the gateway.txt Frewuency is set to a potential payload
[13:00] <daveake> We agreed on a fixed calling mode frequency (which tbh should be another setting) and you should set to that frequency when switching to calling mode
[13:00] <M0RJX> And the AFC adjustment is based off Frequency +=( Config.LoRaDevices[Channel].activeFreq - Config.LoRaDevices[Channel].Frequency );
[13:01] <daveake> yup
[13:01] <M0RJX> 433.650 ATM
[13:01] <daveake> yes, not that simple is it? :)
[13:02] <M0RJX> Which works if Frequency is the calling frequency but it's actually the payload in config.txt :-)
[13:02] <daveake> yup
[13:03] <M0RJX> I'll change that to the hard coded calling frequency and we should be there.
[13:03] <M0RJX> PS I'm hoping to track today :-)
[13:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N0BSC-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N0BSC-11
[13:10] <daveake> only 20km max alt i think
[13:10] <daveake> 200g balloons
[13:32] <daveake> Latest is that there will be 4 flights, launching together. 1st is filled now. Payload IDs are HAMHAB, GGBOIS, APERTR and XWING
[13:33] <M0RJX> Frequencies ?
[13:34] <daveake> as per mailing list, minus 5kHz
[13:34] <M0RJX> daveake, I think I'm there on the gateway now :-) Mode toggling works :-)
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWCs3BBzPoU
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> What's in the Air: NASA's Atmospheric Infrared Sounder
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[13:34] <M0RJX> Cool
[13:34] <daveake> So 434.170, 270, 370, 595
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> (nvm, it's not as interesting as it initially looked)
[13:36] <daveake> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=7163444479b6f7da114db6fb14c4d7a71cf006f9
[13:36] <daveake> no
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> (I misread it as infrasound)
[13:36] <daveake> some dodgy soldering apparently resulting in broken trackers hence fewer flights
[13:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4WBU - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4WBU
[13:37] <daveake> 2nd balloon inflated
[13:38] <M0RJX> daveake, when you get 5 can we discuss calling mode as it doesn't seem to be using the best mode for long range and errors. Is that because you want to broadcast the settings quickly?
[13:39] <M0RJX> I would have thought Explicit, 20.80, SF11, EC4:8 LDRO would be better.
[13:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N9XTN-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N9XTN-12
[13:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N9XTN-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N9XTN-11
[13:43] <daveake> M0RJX: Chose those ages ago and I can't remember why those settings exactly. Worth looking at. Needs to stay below 10% duty cycle. A slightly wider bandwidth is probably a good idea because of drift and modules not being the same frequency in the first place
[13:43] <M0RJX> Ok Cool we'll set those after discussion
[13:45] <daveake> 3 inflated
[13:45] <daveake> the "repeater" mode is probably fine :)
[13:45] <M0RJX> Anyone fancy having a play with my latest version of the tracker today it can be git cloned from https://github.com/rharrison/lora-gateway.git
[13:45] <daveake> that worked well when I flew the 3-balloon network
[13:45] <daveake> these are all rtty
[13:46] <Laurenceb_> ping aadamson
[13:46] <M0RJX> daveake, :-( Arse
[13:46] <M0RJX> I'll have to send up one of my own for a test
[13:46] <daveake> the only lora was on 869 something and isn't flying
[13:46] <dbrooke> M0RJX: I found that the calling channel mode (5) outperformed the mode 1 anyway on dave's last flight
[13:46] <daveake> interesting
[13:47] <M0RJX> dbrooke, weird
[13:47] <Laurenceb_> is this a discussion about uplink?
[13:47] <dbrooke> and the bandwidth allowed it to lock on where it wouldn't have with 20kHz
[13:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Mike1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Mike1_chase
[13:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_chase
[13:48] <M0RJX> Telemetry = {EXPLICIT_MODE, ERROR_CODING_4_8, BANDWIDTH_20K8, SPREADING_11, 1, 60, "Telemetry"}
[13:48] <M0RJX> Calling = {EXPLICIT_MODE, ERROR_CODING_4_8, BANDWIDTH_41K7, SPREADING_11, 0, 200, "Calling"}
[13:48] <dbrooke> some screen captures of the calling mode in operation http://album.dbrooke.me.uk/2017-04-27_PILORA/
[13:50] <dbrooke> daveake: did you see my email about it?
[13:50] <M0RJX> Should the low data rate optimisation be used for Calling?
[13:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[13:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SteveJchase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SteveJchase
[13:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SV3CIX-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SV3CIX-12
[13:57] <daveake> Launches imminent
[13:57] <daveake> M0RJX: No
[13:57] <daveake> There's a rule for when see the docs
[13:58] <daveake> iirc "symbol time > 20ms"
[13:58] <daveake> but do check
[13:58] <M0RJX> daveake, the HopeRF docs
[13:58] <M0RJX> Ahh cool
[13:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N9XTN_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N9XTN_chase
[14:00] <M0RJX> is HAMHAB going first?
[14:01] <M0RJX> Does anyone know how to filter the tracker for a few flights and not just one?
[14:03] <dbrooke> use ; as separator
[14:05] <M0RJX> lol tried everything else ,%+ etc ..
[14:05] <dbrooke> wildcard is * though may not help much today
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE7RQW-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE7RQW-9
[14:07] <swaledale_SteveJ> And we're off!
[14:08] <daveake> all up
[14:08] <daveake> to filter do id1;id2;etc
[14:09] <dbrooke> XWING;APERTR;GGBOIS;HAMHAB;*chase
[14:09] <dbrooke> copy pasta ^^
[14:15] <lz1dev> .track XWING;APERTR;GGBOIS;HAMHAB;*chase
[14:15] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XWING;APERTR;GGBOIS;HAMHAB;*chase
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[14:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03GILBERD after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GILBERD
[14:26] <G8FJG> only HAMHAB seems to be updating on tracker..ive greens on others
[14:27] <dbrooke> same here, parse errors in logtail for 3 payloads
[14:27] <G8FJG> $$APERTR,1489326403,14:22:59,5146.80231,-00245.09954,5474.3,12*DA8
[14:28] <G8FJG> $$GGBOIS,1489356771,14:27:48,5145.98523,-00245.93389,6740.6,12*6D21
[14:28] <dbrooke> ValueError: (field altitude): invalid literal for int() with base 10: '5904.4'
[14:29] <adamgreig> "08:21:17 jakeio_> If you're unhappy with these being untested, I can assure you they work
[14:29] <G8FJG> $$XWING,1489325843,14:29:25,5145.88950,-00246.11019,6986.2,12*51B3
[14:33] <Darkside> hahaha
[14:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N8ERF-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N8ERF-11
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[15:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SAMPI_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SAMPI_chase
[15:14] <daveake> hmm nicely aimed flights :/
[15:15] Action: daveake puts poles away
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[15:22] <M0RJX> are they all in the drink?
[15:22] <M0RJX> Hopefully no cameras
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[15:30] <daveake> no cams afaik
[15:30] <daveake> looks like 2 might land on land
[15:30] <daveake> oh, 3
[15:33] <pb0ahx> tnx all was a short trip for me but got sommeting
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[15:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM6DWF-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM6DWF-11
[15:39] <dbrooke> I hope the tide's out
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[15:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5ZBW - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5ZBW
[15:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Fishgan_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Fishgan_chase
[15:45] <daveake> needed ^^^^
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[15:50] <M0RJX> Any recoverable?
[15:51] <daveake> one visible
[15:51] <daveake> on the water
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[15:51] <daveake> floating upstream
[15:51] <daveake> no signal here from the other 3
[15:52] <swaledale_SteveJ> I'll try as I go over the bridge!
[15:52] <daveake> :)
[15:53] <daveake> tide looks high from here
[15:53] <daveake> I'm in the car most of the lads have gone down to see if they can retrieve it
[15:54] <swaledale_SteveJ> .170 was last to land?
[15:59] <daveake> Dunno. No signal from that one.
[15:59] <daveake> hamhab jsut halved its audio shift
[15:59] <daveake> wonder if it's getting wet
[16:04] <Reb-SM0ULC> hello
[16:05] <Reb-SM0ULC> trying to get floaters today? ;)
[16:14] <daveake> heh
[16:14] <daveake> I managed to getggbois
[16:16] <Reb-SM0ULC> bad luck with so many in the water
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[16:31] <daveake> ok heading home
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[17:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03icarusIV after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=icarusIV
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[18:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-1 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[18:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-11 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-11
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[18:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Manc - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Manc
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[19:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[19:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM_chase
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[19:36] <M0RJX> ping daveake I've sent a pull request for V1.8.8 for you have a play with and hopefully accept :-)
[19:36] <daveake> will take a look :)
[19:38] <M0RJX> Hope you like the mode toggling, centring on screens > 80 chars and last but not lease Distance, Bearing and Elevation of payload relative to gateway
[19:41] <M0RJX> daveake, http://imgur.com/a/zmVk1
[19:42] <daveake> looks good
[19:43] <M0RJX> I'm in the process of looking into tx'ing RTTY and decoding it on the RFMxx chips :-)
[19:44] <M0RJX> Then we can have new mode rtty :-)
[19:59] <M0RJX> daveake, if we have network access it would be cool if we could check github for version and warn if a new version exists
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[20:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE7HVE-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE7HVE-11
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[20:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-9
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[21:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
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[21:47] <Darkside> lol just saw the flight paths of all those launches
[21:48] <Darkside> hope there was nothing important on them
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[22:14] <daveake> Pi trackers with pi cams
[22:16] <daveake> I did tell him, on the phone and in the mailing list, that he was likely to lose some or all of them
[22:17] <daveake> "you only have a fairly narrow strip of land between the forest and the Severn, which is wide and welcoming at that point."
[22:21] <Darkside> heh
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