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[00:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS5 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS5
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[00:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[00:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-11 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-11
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[05:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-14 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-14
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[06:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[06:47] <PE2BZ> !flights
[06:47] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03MASA 01 10(35bf)
[06:47] <PE2BZ> !track 35bf
[06:47] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=35bf
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[07:25] <pe2bz_> !nick PE2BZ
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[07:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> Q: if I get to 9500m with one 36" balloon Qualatex with 2gr of free lift (He), what could I expect with two balloons?
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[07:47] <hyde00001> morning... MASA01 launching from Oxford hopefully 10-11 ish
[07:49] <hyde00001> prediction is taking us from Oxford over Milton Keynes/Bedford landing somewhere to the west of Huntingdon
[07:49] <hyde00001> any listeners on both RTTY and LoRa would be appreciated
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[08:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SH05 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SH05
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[08:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anyone know the actual freq's and modes that MASA01 is using the specified differently in various places :-(
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[09:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flights
[09:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Current flights: 03MASA 01 10(35bf)
[09:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flight 35bf
[09:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Flight 10(35bf): 03MASA 01 10(2 payloads) - Launch date 03Today at 08:00 from 03Oxfordshire, UK 10(51.7721,-1.2333)
[09:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> !payloads 35bf
[09:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03SH05 10(35bf) 03$$SH05 - 03PITS LORA - 03434.5 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/850Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[09:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03SH04 10(35bf) 03$$SH04 - 03PITS RTTY - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/750Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[09:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial sh05
[09:01] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03SH05 10(35bf): none
[09:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial sh04
[09:01] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03SH04 10(35bf): 032000 MHz
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[09:06] <PE2BZ> Good morning all!
[09:06] <PE2BZ> Hope the payloads perform better today :-)
[09:07] <Ron_G8FJG> morning Ben....
[09:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> The freq's etc on the flight docs dont match the posting ....
[09:08] <PE2BZ> That´s not a good start.
[09:08] <mfa298> I'd probably try the ones in the email first.
[09:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03rana_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=rana_chase
[09:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes that's what Im trying first
[09:08] <mfa298> was this the flight with .nl friendly frequencies
[09:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes
[09:09] <dbrooke> I think the frequencies were changed to be .nl friendly after the docs were filed
[09:09] <Ron_G8FJG> cant be worse than black friday 28th
[09:09] <dbrooke> so go for those in the email
[09:09] <Ron_G8FJG> I am
[09:10] <PE2BZ> So I sit and wait for signals on 434.263 in RTTY and 434.463 in Lora :-)
[09:10] <Ron_G8FJG> got to go out for a while ..so set the controls
[09:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> there are ssdv images from pre-launch up so promising
[09:11] <PE2BZ> Frequencies look clean over here http://131.180.123.9:8075/
[09:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> infact still coming in from a back garden
[09:12] <dbrooke> is that the chase bicycle?
[09:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> looks like the lens needs a clean or the film removed!
[09:13] <Ron_G8FJG> .263 sits nice between the qrm/........463 isnt too bad after I track the antennas to the north
[09:13] <dbrooke> I thought it was just my eyes
[09:15] <Ron_G8FJG> clear blue skies here E.London ...looks misty there
[09:16] <Ron_G8FJG> afk
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[09:25] <PE2BZ> On image 6 3 stacked yagi´s for tracking :-)
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[09:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03icarusIV after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=icarusIV
[09:33] <dbrooke> ssdv selfies!
[09:33] <M0RJX> !flights
[09:33] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX: Current flights: 03MASA 01 10(35bf)
[09:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SH04 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SH04
[09:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CS5PBA-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CS5PBA-11
[10:08] <pb0ahx-> :!flights
[10:08] <pb0ahx-> !flights
[10:08] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx-: Current flights: 03MASA 01 10(35bf)
[10:09] <pb0ahx-> !payload MASA 01
[10:09] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx-: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:09] <pb0ahx-> !payload 35bf
[10:09] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx-: Payload 03SH05 10(35bf) 03$$SH05 - 03PITS LORA - 03434.5 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/850Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[10:09] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx-: Payload 03SH04 10(35bf) 03$$SH04 - 03PITS RTTY - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/750Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[10:11] <PE2BZ> pb0ahx those are old frequencies. For the Dutch listeners Steve switched to
[10:11] <PE2BZ> <PE2BZ> So I sit and wait for signals on 434.263 in RTTY and 434.463 in Lora :-)
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[10:16] <pb0ahx-> tnx info Ben
[10:16] <pb0ahx-> i configure now the lora tracker here
[10:16] <pb0ahx-> with the good frequenties
[10:17] <pb0ahx-> i am now on the map
[10:18] <pb0ahx-> now tune the icom radio on 434.263 now here
[10:18] <pb0ahx-> 434.263 is clean here
[10:19] <pb0ahx-> nice
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[10:28] <richardeoin> SA6BSS-Mike: I'd estimate about 10.3km using this https://richardeoin.github.io/sp/
[10:28] <richardeoin> 10g payload vs effective 5g payload for 2 balloons
[10:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> hyde0001, if you come back on before launch give the lens a clean!
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[10:56] <SA6BSS-Mike> richardeoin: tnx
[10:57] <SA6BSS-Mike> I will try that next time so we´l see if it checks out :)
[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Launch ...
[11:13] <pb0ahx-> GL
[11:13] <dbrooke> emailed freqs are correct
[11:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> richardeoin: I xhould ofc have mentioned that the payload was 7.5grams
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[11:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HydeChase_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HydeChase_chase
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[12:10] <PE2BZ> Waterfall of my openwebrx @27 m asl with both the rtty and the lora signal http://imgur.com/a/yMhRC
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[12:30] <M0RJX_> !flights
[12:30] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX_: Current flights: 03MASA 01 10(35bf)
[12:31] <M0RJX_> !flight 35bf
[12:31] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX_: Flight 10(35bf): 03MASA 01 10(2 payloads) - Launch date 03Today at 08:00 from 03Oxfordshire, UK 10(51.7721,-1.2333)
[12:31] <M0RJX_> !dial 35bf
[12:31] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX_: Latest dials for 03SH05 10(35bf): 03434.461738 MHz, 434.461911 MHz
[12:31] <SpacenearUS> 03M0RJX_: Latest dials for 03SH04 10(35bf): 03434.65 MHz, 440.262 MHz, 434.2628 MHz, 434.650218 MHz, 434.262 MHz, 434.2614 MHz, 434.26071 MHz, 434.263 MHz, 434.26255 MHz, 434.1 MHz
[12:32] <PE2BZ> 263 for rtty and 463 for LoRa
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[12:38] Action: PE2BZ is running 3 * rx on 3 antennas. That´s called diverrttysity :-)
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[12:50] <pb0ahx-> Team SH04 and SH05 mni tnx for nice flight for me rtty nice and also lora going very well here tnx guys
[12:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STMPS1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STMPS1
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[13:05] <PE2BZ> hyde0001 Steve, thanks for the flight. Good RX on clean frequencies !
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[13:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> and there down
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[13:53] <PE2BZ> 634 lora image packets, 913 bad crc. When the payload came down spinning around all the lora gave bad crc, the 300 bd rtty however gave good decodes.
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[14:04] <M0RJX> PE2BZ, Thanks for the info re rtty and lora was testing at my new antenna site.
[14:05] <M0RJX> Paying 30 pounds per month to site my antenna next to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emley_Moor_transmitting_station
[14:06] <M0RJX> And I can get internet access there using PtP from my house 5km away
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[14:11] <SpeedEvil> M0RJX: oooh - nice
[14:12] <M0RJX> SpeedEvil, should get a few decodes fom up there
[14:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0130 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0130
[14:24] <M0RJX> I want to add range bearing and elevation between 2 gps points for the lora-gateway are there any accepted formulas for this? Ie the ones we use on HabHub?
[14:29] <SpeedEvil> 'accepted formulae' ?
[14:29] <SpeedEvil> great circule bearing?
[14:29] <M0RJX> Ie we know lat,lng,alt of rx and lat,lng,alt of balloon what is the range,bearing and angle to point at the balloon from my rx station
[14:31] <M0RJX> My confusion is that we have significant alt and I'm not sure how we deal with that in the calcs. If it was on the ground that would be easy and perhaps that's not too bad an assumption!
[14:32] <PE2BZ> M0RJX that´s a nice location !
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> The bearing does not change at all with altitude.
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> The proper way to work out line of sight is using a full terrain model.
[14:33] <M0RJX> But hypothetically speaking if the payload was 100 meters south from the rx but 40km up we would still point south at 180 deg but prethy much 90 deg up!
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> http://www.afar.net/fresnel-zone-calculator/
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> If it's not near (visually) any terrain, then it's not going to be any different than straight line to the payload
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> The bearing remains teh same, the elevation rises
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> The above calculations are an estimate of the 'keep out zone' you need between sender and reciever so that you can ensure simple elevation is accurate
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> Or ratehr, if the payload will be recievable
[14:38] <M0RJX> Ok cool I think I can do this!
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[14:46] <SpeedEvil> If I had limitless energy, I would take https://lta.cr.usgs.gov/SRTM1Arc which is altitude on a ~30m grid, and then for a specified reciever position, 'flood fill' an area till it got to a point where the terrain has hit the fresnel zone, and show it to the user.
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> So you can produce maps for a location showing where a balloon at 1km, 10km. 30km,40km is visible, for example.
[14:50] <PE2BZ> M0RJX what height do you get for that price ?
[14:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG9OC-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG9OC-11
[14:59] <M0RJX> Well the hill is the highest in the area at 264M I'm guessing 270M for 30 pounds per month including power. TBH it's at a business park 500M from the mast and they have offered to let me put up a 22 foot 434 antenna and a 869 antenna on one of the building and allow me access to power and a box on the wall.
[15:00] <M0RJX> PE2BZ, so 6m :-) See above
[15:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9YMN-10 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9YMN-10
[15:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE0BVB-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE0BVB-11
[15:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0PGM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0PGM-11
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[15:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STMPS2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STMPS2
[15:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W2RIT-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W2RIT-11
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[16:39] <M0RJX> If anyone needs a HopeRF breakout board I've just put them on here https://www.theicarusproject.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=55
[16:47] <PE2BZ> 6 meter will do for HAB, radiosonde and satellites :-)
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-6 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-6
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[18:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD7SZY after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD7SZY
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[18:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[18:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-1 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
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[18:33] <dbev123> Hi, I'm launching a high altitude balloon tomorrow (Sunday 30th 9:30 - 10:30) with Steeple Morden Primary school in Hertfordshire. I have been trying to get this flight document authorised on the freenode channel habhub. Is anyone able to help me with this? This is the document: 0260abb42aeecbd03b9217e4bbf43e46 Thank you very much David
[18:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> An Admin will be along shortly, you can always put the ID back in again to see if its been authorised.
[18:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its done
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[19:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-11 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-11
[19:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N7SEC-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N7SEC-1
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[20:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS5 after 0315 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS5
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[22:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STRANGEPI - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STRANGEPI
[22:28] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0AWK-8 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-8
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