highaltitude.log.20170428

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[00:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS5 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS5
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[00:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ILHAB-1d - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ILHAB-1d
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[03:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[03:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 039 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[04:09] <spencer_> Hello?
[04:10] <spencer_> Anyone on?
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[05:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KK6PNN-5 after 0317 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6PNN-5
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[06:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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[07:12] <gonzo_> yes
[07:13] <gonzo_> uk is starting to wake up spencer
[07:14] <fsphil> was only in for a minute and a half
[07:15] <gonzo_> ah. my irc proxy doesn't log all the left/joined
[07:15] <gonzo_> replied before I saw the actual posting time
[07:17] <lz1dev> he should've have bought the enterprise 24/7 habhub support
[07:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9ONO-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9ONO-9_chase
[07:18] <gonzo_> is that where we have someone always available to point peopke at the wiki. or quote from the 'how to lose your payload'
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[08:04] <daveake> s/someone/a bot/
[08:04] <daveake> They need the Gold package for an actual person
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[09:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9F-11_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9F-11_chase
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[09:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLUECOAT - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLUECOAT
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[09:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[09:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TA2MUN-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TA2MUN-11
[09:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UTCO_LORA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UTCO_LORA
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[10:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ILHAB_L1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ILHAB_L1
[10:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK3SB-13 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK3SB-13
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[10:45] <UTCO> Hello. Please can flight plan: 6bb1523e6df6b3489177f7e2d23e01ff be approved? Regards
[10:49] <Darkside> please join #habhub
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm Bluecoat doesn't seem to be being received from the launch site ....
[10:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9F-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9F-11
[10:51] <UTCO> Thank you
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[10:59] <g8fjg> Geoff-G8DHE : I've trawled up and down the band ,,nothing obvious
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> The fact that there not recieing on site after launch suggests they have a problem ...
[11:02] <g8fjg> I thing I saw 3 updates with several mins between.. dis antenna?
[11:02] <g8fjg> thimk
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[11:02] <g8fjg> think
[11:02] <g8fjg> lost my dlasses
[11:02] <g8fjg> doh
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PUT-HAP1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PUT-HAP1
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[11:19] <m6mux> anyone know whts happening in elsworth? no live feed
[11:21] <dbrooke> steve's abandoned the GILBERD re-flight and the live stream, Putney should be up soon
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03YPADSONDE after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YPADSONDE
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[11:24] <hyde00001> Hi all, I posted a "please approve flight" request over in #habhub last night but no action has been taken yet...
[11:24] <adamgreig> it was approved last night
[11:25] <hyde00001> Do I need to post again, or be more patient?
[11:25] <adamgreig> at half ten last night
[11:25] <hyde00001> Aaah must have missed that. Do I need to do anything else to get it listed on the tracker calendar?
[11:25] <adamgreig> in between your irc client disconnecting due to a ping timeout and reconnecting ten minutes later
[11:25] <adamgreig> no
[11:26] <adamgreig> the calendar update is just waiting on google who are quite slow at this
[11:26] <adamgreig> but it's all approved and good to go
[11:26] <hyde00001> Splendid. Thank you
[11:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> you can always put the ID number in again and see if it was approved asw ell.
[11:27] <hyde00001> Helpful
[11:27] <hyde00001> Is there a simple backlog like for #highsltitude?
[11:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> No no logging as on here
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[11:29] <AndyEsser> anyone here use irssi?
[11:30] Action: Darkside
[11:30] Action: dbrooke
[11:30] <dbrooke> is this a poll? 8-)
[11:30] <adamgreig> https://weechat.org/
[11:30] <fsphil> nerds
[11:30] <AndyEsser> dbrooke: was going to ask a question
[11:30] <dbrooke> ...
[11:30] <AndyEsser> AWS restarted one of my instances last night which had irssi running on it
[11:31] <AndyEsser> and now I can't connect to freenode with irssi due to SASL
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[11:31] <miek> what's the full error?
[11:32] <russss> may I shamelessly recommend irccloud
[11:32] <AndyEsser> I'm happy with irssi russss, but thanks
[11:32] <AndyEsser> miek: two secs - have to try and recreate the situation
[11:32] <AndyEsser> miek: so if I just do "/connect irc.freenode.org"
[11:32] <AndyEsser> it boots me off with
[11:33] <AndyEsser> "Notice -- You need to identify via SASL to use this server"
[11:33] <dbrooke> I have chat.freenode.net
[11:33] <dbrooke> in my config
[11:34] <adamgreig> yea their host is chat.freenode.net
[11:34] <adamgreig> but you should be using sasl to ident anyway
[11:34] <AndyEsser> o wait...
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[11:34] <AndyEsser> whut...
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[11:34] <AndyEsser> well...
[11:34] <AndyEsser> whut
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[11:35] <AndyEsserMuppet> well that seems to be resolved... :)
[11:35] <AndyEsserMuppet> sorry y'all
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[11:37] <miek> you should probably setup SASL anyway - you might run into this again depending on what server you end up on
[11:38] <AndyEsser> well that's what I was trying to do
[11:38] <AndyEsser> but it kept failing authentication
[11:38] <AndyEsser> but think I was being a muppet
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[11:39] <murb> freenode now also do certificate foo to identify which is much less faff
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[11:59] <m6mux> got a live feed
[12:00] <m6mux> the balloon is inflated and theres a load of kids hanging around
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[12:01] <m6mux> launching very soon
[12:02] <m6mux> steve is running around
[12:04] <m6mux> letting the line out
[12:05] <m6mux> launched
[12:06] <m6mux> launched but no updates?
[12:06] <m6mux> ah yes, ok
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[12:09] <m6mux> why has the prediction suddenly changed to landing near bruges?
[12:09] <m6mux> it was colchester before
[12:10] <g8fjg> m6mux what frequency?
[12:11] <G8KNN> 434.125
[12:11] <m6mux> 300 baud
[12:11] <m6mux> ssdv too
[12:11] <G8KNN> it is very weak though
[12:11] <g8fjg> my antenna must have fallen off
[12:12] <G8KNN> I think it has an antenna or tx power problem
[12:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03hkLo1 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=hkLo1
[12:12] <G8KNN> I can see it on the waterfall, but not managing any decodes
[12:13] <g8fjg> you're a bit closer !
[12:14] <dbrooke> nothing here @ G6GZH
[12:15] <G8KNN> It's getting even weaker now
[12:15] <g8fjg> shift about 600??
[12:15] <G8KNN> I've got it set at 750
[12:16] <g8fjg> see it now
[12:17] <G8KNN> good luck decoding it!
[12:18] <AndyEsser> o0o BLUECOAT isn't too far away
[12:18] <AndyEsser> and I have the FT817 in the car...
[12:19] <m6mux> G8KNN: are you getting it?
[12:20] <G8KNN> nope. Only just visible on the waterfall
[12:21] <g8fjg> mark is on 434.127300 ish
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[12:22] <g8fjg> AndyEsser Bluecoat lost in space
[12:25] <m6mux> any idea what tracker this is?
[12:29] <daveake> looks like a pits
[12:30] <fsphil> I've a first-gen pits that needs launching
[12:30] <m6mux> I think this flight is done. maybe go to the seaside and see if theres any signal.
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[12:34] <daveake> I have a couple at least
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[12:35] <daveake> I've got too many trackers. I need to learn how to lose them.
[12:35] <AndyEsser> lol
[12:35] <fsphil> there's a guide for that...
[12:36] <daveake> I shall have a read :)
[12:37] <g8fjg> H pol a few db better
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[12:41] <SBlair> any HAB enthusiasts online of who have experience of launching in Scotland? The winds seem to be predominantly Northerly but vary quite widely. That poses the risk of landing in innaccesible mountains or worst case in the ocean. Perhaps a launch in the borders would be preferable.
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[12:42] <SBlair> That might raise issues regarding flight paths I would imagine.
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[12:43] <g8fjg> $2,1284b81650.950,0ep0,
[12:44] <g8fjg> best sofar
[12:52] <m6mux> if you get any partial degrees, then that is useful...
[12:57] <daveake> SBlair: You'll pretty much be on your own for tracking the landing position, as the network is next to non-existent up there afaik. So I suggest trying to land some where fairly flat. If there are hills around between you and the payload it might be tricky finding it.
[13:01] <SBlair> the trouble is the diffrence in time and thus weather conditions between applying for a launch date/site and the actual release. Your last comment makes me think we should make some effort to drive south. We can't afford to lose the hardware and data. I wonder how far south would be optimum. Where do restrictions due to commercial flights come into play?
[13:03] <daveake> You can easily change the date after application
[13:03] <daveake> CAA restrictions will be near major airports, so Liverpool/Manchester/Leeds area is very tricky
[13:05] <daveake> Problem with hills is that you need line-of-sight to the payload. So if it's in a valley you need to be in the same valley or above it. Any land between you and payload means no signal. If there are roads around then its no big deal as you can drive the likely ones till you get a signal.
[13:06] <daveake> For a first-time launch, I suggest making life easy by aiming for somewhere fairly flat
[13:08] <PE2BZ> !flights
[13:08] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03Bluecoat_Hi-Impact 10(0f85), 03GILBERD_1 10(c263), 03PUT-HAP1 10(34da), 03HABKi_01 10(cadc)
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[13:24] <gonzo_> the two balloons on the map have issues? Shopwing a few km of alt then nothing ?
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[13:26] <SBlair> It seems if I want to avoid high ground (peak district/wales/pennines etc.) and airports then I might have to go as far as Leicester!
[13:27] <gonzo_> avoid as in, not land on or not fly over?
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[13:32] <SBlair> we cant risk landing on or flying over high ground. We are looking at a flight time of about 2 hours (72 min to burst). The predictor gives us a range of between 30 and 85km for the next few days. We could put more gas in on the day if winds pick up.
[13:34] <daveake> Of course you can fly over high land
[13:34] <SBlair> What height is acceptabe to get decent pics? I was hoping to maintain above 28km. Using all our gas would give a burst time of 54 mins and alt of 25km.
[13:35] <daveake> 20km and upwards gives good pix. Higher you get, more pix you get above 20km
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[13:35] <daveake> high land could make for some good shots
[13:35] <M0XIN> Freq for PUT-HAP1?
[13:35] <SBlair> we can fly over high ground but in scotland that just means landing on more high ground!!
[13:35] <daveake> Not always
[13:36] <mfa298> SBlair: more gas means faster ascent and lower burst, you normally want to aim for 5m/s for the selected balloon and payload weight
[13:36] <M0XIN> Oh, never mind. Just noticed it hasn't updated :)
[13:36] <SBlair> Once you get into the highlands the chances of landing many miles from a road are quite high I would say
[13:45] <SBlair> how long does it take to apply for flight clearance etc. Could I for instance apply for flights on consecutive weekends and if conditions are not favourable simply defer to the next week?
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[13:46] <daveake> 28 days notice. Have you read http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732 ?
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