highaltitude.log.20170424

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[01:01] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-3
[01:01] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-3 was over 03Arabian Sea 10(4.48107,66.96215) at 0313999 meters about 03a day ago
[01:01] <Laurenceb_> yay
[01:01] <Laurenceb_> google loon annihilated
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[01:11] <Darkside> ?
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[02:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
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[05:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VR2UIF-12 after 0320 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VR2UIF-12
[05:40] <PE2BZ> !flights
[05:40] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03Egg 207 10(892e), 03GILBERD 10(0db5)
[05:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[07:14] <SA6BSS-Mike> Last night I released a wspr balloon, it just started up over S. Romania, wspr on 20+30m and jt9 on 20m
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[07:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0AWK-8 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0AWK-8
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[08:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9ONO-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9ONO-9_chase
[08:31] <gonzo_> looks like it could be a busy week in the skies over the UK
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[09:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI3G after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI3G
[09:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILORA after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILORA
[09:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03XX after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XX
[09:25] <PE2BZ> +1 for the flights on thursday. It´s a local holiday over here :-)
[09:30] <gonzo_> an odd day for a holiday
[09:31] <gonzo_> (though I'd not complain !)
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[09:47] <pb0ahx> GM all
[09:47] <pb0ahx> !flights
[09:47] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03Egg 207 10(892e), 03GILBERD 10(0db5)
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[10:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LHS_SKY after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LHS_SKY
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[10:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LHS_S1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LHS_S1
[10:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ssss_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ssss_chase
[10:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SNMOBILE_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SNMOBILE_chase
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[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Verfolgerteam1_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Verfolgerteam1_chase
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[11:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03dubimsteinspast_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=dubimsteinspast_chase
[11:34] <garymortimer> Is LHS 1 off pr is that it just switching GPS on?
[11:34] <garymortimer> Ah that's better
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[11:39] <garymortimer> Oh not so good, a quick trip to 3935 and then back to school
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[12:19] <pb0ahx> EGG 207 going not flying today ????
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[12:22] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS21
[12:22] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS21 was over 0325.22007,-12.5309 at 0315849 meters about 0325 days ago
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[12:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BLACKOPS_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BLACKOPS_chase
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[12:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JOAL02 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JOAL02
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[13:00] <M0RJX> ping Ian_
[13:00] <M0RJX> daveake, then changes ok?
[13:00] <M0RJX> m
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[13:27] <PE2BZ> gonzo_ happy birthday to our king :-)
[13:28] <fsphil> for a moment there I thought gonzo_ had been made king
[13:28] <PE2BZ> pb0ahx Easter is over , so no EGG´s flying
[13:29] <PE2BZ> King for a day ;-)
[13:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0ZTV-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0ZTV-4
[13:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EA7KAV_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EA7KAV_chase
[13:56] <pb0ahx> tnx info Ben
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[16:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JOAL03 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JOAL03
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[17:00] <Ian_> pong M0RJX missed you again
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[18:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 032146824804_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=2146824804_chase
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[18:38] <AndyEsser> as I've basically bought a car now... can someone link me again to the good magmount antenna ?
[18:38] <AndyEsser> for 434
[18:41] <fsphil> https://cpc.farnell.com/watson/wsm-270/wsm-270-mini-mag-antenna/dp/IT44456
[18:48] <AndyEsser> ooo dual band
[18:48] <AndyEsser> nice
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[18:50] <fsphil> nice magnet
[18:50] <fsphil> no worries about it falling off
[18:51] <AndyEsser> pretty much agreed to buy a Freelander
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[18:51] <AndyEsser> picking up Saturday morning
[18:51] <AndyEsser> just need to work out how to mount my FT817 inside
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[18:53] <daveake> Some of those have a GRP rear roof rather than metal
[18:54] <daveake> You can still use the front section anyway :)
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[18:54] <AndyEsser> yea, with a 2.5m cable on it, I wasn't going to mount it too far back anyway
[18:54] <AndyEsser> somehow run it into the roof, down the door, and into the radio
[18:54] <daveake> Steve noticed that his is GRP after he put a small balloon + tracker inside and it maintained 12 sats :)
[18:55] <AndyEsser> nice
[18:55] <Ian_> If you have a roofrack, then mount it in front of a horozontal bar, so that if it does manage to move there is a backstop.
[18:56] <AndyEsser> finding some sort of touch screen type device to mount inside would be good
[18:56] <AndyEsser> Ian_: no roof rack
[18:56] <AndyEsser> but does have tow bar
[18:56] <AndyEsser> maybe... HABtrailer... :)
[18:57] <Ian_> :) more likely if you do mach 1 and it's a 2m magmount . . .
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[18:58] <daveake> Given the number of 15-point-turns needed on the average HAB chase, a trailer would be a really bad idea!
[18:59] <AndyEsser> hahaha
[18:59] <AndyEsser> true
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[19:17] <SBlair> Hi, I am trying to configure my payload document so that it correctly represents the hardware setup which includes a sense hat.
[19:18] <SBlair> Dave Akerman gave advice via the Rasp pi Balloon forum indicating we should 1) write code to get sense hat data into a CSV file (done) 2) Configure Pits to read the file and add fields to the telemetry string (done) 3) Create a payload doc that includes thoe extra fields (not done)
[19:18] <adamgreig> have you found http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/ ?
[19:18] <SBlair> Its point 3 I'm not sure about. I am in the sentence editor for the parser configuration in the habitat genpayload site.I assume I simply add fields with the same names as those generated in the pits text file. I am unsure about how to review the field names from the pits board. One of my pupils generated the code. I then need to know how to define the fields (integer or float etc)
[19:18] <adamgreig> cool
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[19:19] <adamgreig> you can name the fields whatever you want
[19:19] <adamgreig> don't need to match the pi's config
[19:19] <adamgreig> these are the "standard" names http://habitat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ukhas_parser.html#field-names
[19:20] <adamgreig> that page also tells you about the available types: string, float, int, time, coordinate
[19:20] <adamgreig> you need to know what the fields _are_
[19:20] <adamgreig> otherwise the numbers won't make sense
[19:20] <adamgreig> but they don't need to have exactly the same name as what's on your pi's config, necessarily
[19:20] <SBlair> how is the data from a given sensor get allocated an appropriate name?
[19:21] <adamgreig> it's just based on the order in the sentence
[19:21] <SBlair> just reading that link now
[19:25] <daveake> You have the sequence of fields from the page I linked to plus the sense hat list that I sent to you
[19:25] <daveake> So it's just a matter of, one by one, adding new fields
[19:26] <daveake> For each field set the name and type to match the transmissions
[19:28] <SBlair> when did you send the link and sense hat list? Was that today?
[19:28] <daveake> Today
[19:29] <daveake> But if you're using a pupil's code rather than the PITS sense hat code, you need to use the list in his code instead
[19:29] <daveake> his/her
[19:29] <SBlair> Was that vi the pits email....if so I don't have access until I get back to school tomorrow
[19:29] <daveake> The link was to the PITS "getting on the map" page, which I'm sure you had already anyway
[19:30] <daveake> So, your payload doc was missing the last 2 PITS fields, which are battery voltage and current
[19:30] <daveake> After that you need to add more fields to match whatever you're adding from the sense hat
[19:30] <daveake> As that's your pupil's code not mine, I have no knowledge of what those fields are
[19:32] <SBlair> empowering pupils to write code has its drawbacks eg. when they go awol just as you need to finish testing!
[19:35] <SBlair> battery votage field name is 'battery' (no suffix added)?
[19:35] <daveake> Well it's Python should be easy enough to read
[19:38] <SBlair> assigned as a 'float'
[19:39] <SBlair> what should battery current be named?
[19:39] <daveake> There isn't a "should"
[19:40] <daveake> If there's a "current" preset I'd use that, but otherwise just type in "current" and set as a float
[19:44] <SBlair> done - can you send the link to the sense hat list - i should be able to wrap this part up soon with that
[19:45] <daveake> If it's your pupil's code then it's of no use.
[19:46] <daveake> If it's the default code then this is the hopefully readable source https://github.com/PiInTheSky/pits/blob/master/tracker/sensors.py
[19:48] <SBlair> hmmm...not sure about that. It may be that he simply downloaded the relevant code as I noticed today that was a possibe option.
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[19:51] <SBlair> how would I locate the relevant section of code to check it?
[19:51] <SBlair> assuming I can't access the relevant pupil
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[19:55] <daveake> No idea
[19:57] <daveake> The code is obviously on the Pi; shouldn't be hard to find. Then, having found it, open it and see if it makes sense.
[19:57] <daveake> It's probably quite simple.
[19:59] <SBlair> so the list indicates temp -> pressure --> humidity --> pitch --> roll --> yaw : Isuppose I could try getting on the map with that and go back to the code if it aint working
[20:00] <SBlair> all floating numbers
[20:01] <daveake> So long as you get the number of fields right, and all floats, then it should upload
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[20:04] <SBlair> done - just need to fire up SDR sharp and decode
[20:14] <SBlair> ok - fl-digi is decoding something that makes sense. within the text string was 'breadalbane' our payload name
[20:14] <SA6BSS-Mike> and if you dont get on the map here is the logtail to search for errors http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
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[20:16] <M0RJX> Ping Ian_
[20:16] <SBlair> payload document saved - use 'breadabane' in search prefix pane if you want to inspect!
[20:20] <M0RJX> http://imgur.com/a/GfrLp
[20:20] <M0RJX> New RN2483 prototype boards hot out the oven :-)
[20:23] <adamgreig> are those old or new ubloxes?
[20:23] <adamgreig> board looks nice anyway, the rn2483 has dual band outputs?
[20:24] <adamgreig> neat
[20:24] <SBlair> forgot to put fldigi online done now
[20:25] <adamgreig> SBlair: parsing error
[20:25] <adamgreig> [2017-04-24 20:24:43,874] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Exception in UKHAS main parse: ValueError: No checksum found but config specifies one.
[20:25] <adamgreig> [2017-04-24 20:24:43,873] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Selected payload_configuration fb4e372aee720e804b29ee61adcc896d for 'Breadalbane'
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[20:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> it must have gps synk for it to show, $$Breadalbane,1395,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0,0,0,27.6,3.69
[20:27] <adamgreig> more importantly it's not transmitting a checksum
[20:28] <SA6BSS-Mike> $$Breadalbane,1405,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0,0,0,27.9,2.9,0.125*67E5
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[20:28] <daveake> That doesn't have the extra fields from the CSV file
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[20:30] <SA6BSS-Mike> well, my tracker got out over Black sea before it shut down for the day, will hopefully wake up over Russia tomorrow, https://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FSA6BSS-11&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[20:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GHS_PL_01 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GHS_PL_01
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[20:42] <SBlair> rejoined! only to say thanks for help tonight. I will need to take a proper look at the code for the sense hat tomorrow. was hoping to get lucky given the absence of the original programmer.
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[20:44] <daveake> It's not including any of the sense hat fields as yet
[20:44] <daveake> So possibly the relevant program isn't running
[20:45] <buzz53> DaveAke: What does "voltage" measure on PiSky? Getting about 3, which isn't battery nor, I think RasPi supply?
[20:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03icarusIV after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=icarusIV
[20:46] <daveake> Yeah, that's on my todo list ... the resistor ratio got changed so I need to put in a multiplier and have that configurable
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[20:47] <M0RJX> adamgreig, sorry afk yep fual
[20:47] <M0RJX> dual
[20:47] <buzz53> OK, but is it the raw battery voltage that's actually being measured? Likewise the current?
[20:47] <M0RJX> probably old max's I have these kicking around for a couple of years.
[20:48] <M0RJX> Have a real of 500 in shed for production :-0
[20:48] <daveake> battery voltage; board current
[20:51] <buzz53> Hmm, it seemed to match measured current from the battery, but are you saying it's downstream of the reg?
[20:51] <daveake> tbh can't remember
[20:51] <daveake> deffo batt voltage
[20:52] <M0RJX> The RN2483 come with full source code for the LoRaWAN stack and is fully supported in the PIC ide includeing the MMC config :-) So full LoraWAN app in oooh 10 mins. Once you have your AEK keys etc
[20:52] <buzz53> OK, no prob.
[20:53] <M0RJX> adamgreig, any other lorawan enthusiast http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/40001864B.pdf
[20:53] <M0RJX> daveake, was the mode code ok?
[20:54] <daveake> not had a chance to look yet
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[20:55] <M0RJX> daveake, worth a look at the above id you ever want to have a go at LoRaWAN data transfer
[20:55] <daveake> It'd need checking against the calling mode stuff ... e.g. reset the calling mode timeout
[20:55] <M0RJX> ahh I just put the chip into sleep and flicked the mode
[20:56] <M0RJX> it did bellyache if I didn't do this :-)
[20:56] <M0RJX> Other than that I can't break it now :-)
[20:57] <daveake> What will happen then if it's tracking a HAB that's using calling mode, then after your mode change the timeout will hit and it'll go back to the original calling mode/frequency
[20:57] <daveake> Which would be unexpected :)
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[20:57] <M0RJX> ahh it didn't change frequency tbh
[20:57] <daveake> No, but it will change after the timeout
[20:58] <M0RJX> Didn't think of that for calling mode :-)
[20:58] <daveake> and it should probably be reset as soon as the M button is pressed
[20:58] <M0RJX> True
[20:58] <daveake> i.e. M --> cancel calling mode
[20:58] <M0RJX> That might even save the sleep stuff
[20:59] <M0RJX> I need to read about that calling mode stuff
[20:59] <M0RJX> ATM it just changes the parameters for the mode... My bad
[20:59] <daveake> Flying a CM test on Thursday - http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=2032
[21:02] <M0RJX> You might want to increase the altitude for the 3g. I had 4g video Facetime at 8000ft last week on the way to amsterdam :-)
[21:02] <SIbot> In real units: 8000 ft = 2438 m
[21:02] <daveake> hah
[21:04] <M0RJX> lol
[21:06] <M0RJX> Are there any doc's on the calling mode stuff if there is I'll read them and make the changes for calling mode
[21:07] <M0RJX> IF not it should be a 5 min hack in my mode code
[21:08] <daveake> Yes, linked to from that page
[21:08] <daveake> http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1816
[21:08] <daveake> If you look to see what happens when calling mode times out, that's what you need to do. Plus reset the timeout.
[21:10] <M0RJX> Humm I can do that :-)
[21:14] <Ian_> pong M0RJX
[21:14] <M0RJX> daveake, I can't see anything about calling mode time out in there :-(
[21:14] <M0RJX> Ian_, You're elusive
[21:15] <Ian_> Going blind, couldn't see you in the user list on the left, then noticed that the time was current
[21:15] <M0RJX> and you were complaining about me
[21:15] <M0RJX> :-)
[21:15] <Ian_> I have a good load of excuses . . . ha ha
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[21:15] <M0RJX> The M mode works for both channels as guessed M and m
[21:16] <Ian_> Going to load your code and hopefully give it a whirl on Tursday . . . got that.
[21:16] <daveake> Config.CallingTimeout and ReturnToCallingModeAt are the ones
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[21:16] <M0RJX> Is that in a pic in the doc or discussed?
[21:17] <M0RJX> daveake, I cant see any reference to it in there http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1816
[21:17] <M0RJX> I'll pull the code
[21:17] <M0RJX> Ian_, cool
[21:18] <daveake> Those are in the code
[21:18] <M0RJX> I'm just going to do some magic reset for calling mode
[21:18] <daveake> I think the timeout was fixed initially
[21:18] <M0RJX> ahh sorry daveake I thought you said it was in the document
[21:19] <daveake> Meh I wouldn't remember that!
[21:19] <Ian_> Should I wait until tomorrow before grabbing a new copy?
[21:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS22 after 0315 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS22
[21:19] <M0RJX> Ian_, you it will take me three mins if I understand correctly
[21:19] <russss> I like this picture https://twitter.com/OrbitalATK/status/856617824034447360
[21:19] <daveake> Ian_: Well if you don't use M/m during the use of calling mode (i.e. when locked to my HAB on Thursday) you should be fine
[21:20] <Ian_> Ha ha. I have yet to find if my antennas have the reach.
[21:21] <M0RJX> Mleah! Hum I see I need to jump frequency in calling mode and then put it back afterwards :-(
[21:22] <daveake> ?
[21:22] <Ian_> six minutes!
[21:22] <M0RJX> perhaps take calling mode out of mode cycling as you really only need this if you're not using the calling mode?
[21:23] <daveake> All you need to do is to reset the frequency back to default (i.e. what it was set to before the HAB requested it to change), and stop the timeout
[21:24] <M0RJX> So I go to Calling Mode
[21:24] <M0RJX> Set frequency and mode setting for CM
[21:25] <M0RJX> Reset timeout ...
[21:25] <M0RJX> then when flicked to another mode
[21:25] <M0RJX> Return back to prior frewquency
[21:25] <M0RJX> and remove timout stuff
[21:26] <M0RJX> reset
[21:29] <daveake> Confused. All I'm suggesting is that if calling mode is active (i.e. it's rx'd a calling mode message recently) then, when M/m are pressed, reset back to the frequency it was set to before that happened.
[21:29] <daveake> And ofc reset the timeout
[21:29] <M0RJX> Ian_, i'll look at this next week
[21:29] <M0RJX> daveake, ahh
[21:30] <M0RJX> Right I think I'm there
[21:31] <M0RJX> When you toggle to calling mode should the frequency also change to the default calling frequency
[21:31] <daveake> effectively, have the timeout happen straightaway then continue as you were
[21:31] <daveake> Well there is no default calling frequency yet :)
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[21:31] <daveake> I've suggested 433.650 and will use that for my flight
[21:31] <Ian_> OK, no probs. I'll get my ants sorted for Thursday's and will be better placed to update in a couple of days.
[21:31] <daveake> Chosen after doing an RSSI logging flight last year
[21:32] <daveake> a) it's a quiet part of the band, b) it's outside the 100% duty-cycle section, so doesn't get used by HABs
[21:32] <M0RJX> Oh sorry it would make sense it was fixed
[21:33] <daveake> Well yes it has to be fixed at some point
[21:33] <daveake> Dunno if anyone has a better choice
[21:33] <daveake> But if not we might as well fix it at 433.65
[21:34] <M0RJX> Shall we fix it in gateway.txt and just change it if anyone comes up with a better frequency
[21:34] <daveake> OK well in that case have calling_frequency=433.650 in the config file
[21:34] <M0RJX> and in calling mode jump to that
[21:34] <daveake> and have M/m set that frequency when setting calling mode
[21:34] <daveake> snap
[21:34] <M0RJX> Sorry that was what was in my mind initally
[21:35] <daveake> yeah np with that
[21:35] <M0RJX> You were talking about moving back out from CM
[21:36] <M0RJX> I'll hack that tomorrow ready for Thursdays test
[21:36] <daveake> By which I meant actively tracking a balloon that sent out a CM message
[21:36] <daveake> cool
[21:37] <daveake> Yeah give it a good test then. My home trackers will run current s/w with CM set
[21:37] <daveake> My car will do the same but with a very long timeout, so it doesn't timeout after landing
[21:37] <M0RJX> I have a few pi-zero-w's here as gateways too :-) they can try my code
[21:39] <M0RJX> http://i.imgur.com/Ow4HNNy.jpg
[21:40] <M0RJX> Uart wires due to 12c clock stretch :-(
[21:41] <M0RJX> I assume the latest PITS trackr support CM and I can use this to test
[21:42] <M0RJX> AFK for sleep ... Yawn
[21:44] <daveake> Yes CM has been there for nearly a year
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