highaltitude.log.20170421

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[00:05] <Ian_> Hi M0RJX is that m and M, for the two channels?
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[00:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUS - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUS
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[01:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[02:46] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-8 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-8
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[07:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[08:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSR-KM - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSR-KM
[08:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HORUSLORA1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HORUSLORA1
[09:02] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WORKPI after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WORKPI
[09:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5AKH-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5AKH-9_chase
[09:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XX - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XX
[09:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5QI-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5QI-9_chase
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[09:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC4
[09:45] <garymortimer> I have to ask, the XX on the map??
[09:49] Action: fsphil calls in the air strike
[09:50] <garymortimer> Ah
[09:53] <mfa298> Is that the XX calls in the airstrike, or fsphil calling in the airstrike on garymortimer to stop such questions being asked ?
[09:54] <fsphil> the truth is out there
[10:02] <M0XIN> !dials BARC4
[10:03] <AndyEsser> !dial BARC4
[10:03] <SpacenearUS> 03AndyEsser: Latest dials for 03BARC4 10(4ccf): 03434.44945 MHz, 434.65 MHz, 434.45024 MHz, 434.450935 MHz, 434.45071 MHz, 434.4505 MHz
[10:03] <M0XIN> Ah, ta :)
[10:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ILHAB_L1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ILHAB_L1
[10:16] <AndyEsser> CPC make it far too easy for me to spend money...
[10:19] <dbrooke> I'm expecting them to deliver today
[10:20] <AndyEsser> This is the 4th day in a row I've had a delivery from them...
[10:20] <AndyEsser> whoops :)
[10:20] <AndyEsser> but at least I should have everything I need now to work with the STM32 discovery board
[10:25] <dbrooke> UKHASnet node with an STM32 nucleo board http://album.dbrooke.me.uk/ukhasnet/P1020315.JPG
[10:26] <AndyEsser> nice
[10:27] <AndyEsser> this discovery board has a nice 3.5" LCD screen built into it - should be fun to try and program that
[10:29] <dbrooke> I have one of those somewhere, too easy to buy one when ordering other stuff
[10:34] <fsphil> worth it for the screen
[10:35] <fsphil> though you have to hope none of the onboard extras are using pins you might need
[10:36] <fsphil> the video hardware in the stm32f4 is pretty amazing for a microcontroller
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[10:39] <AndyEsser> ooo the screen is touch enabled as wel
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[10:40] <AndyEsser> fsphil: in theory there should be plenty of IO left
[10:40] <AndyEsser> I hope
[10:47] <fsphil> yeah they don't have a shortage of them
[10:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Tanya_team_cumulus_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Tanya_team_cumulus_chase
[10:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Workpichasecar - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Workpichasecar
[10:53] <PE2BZ> !flights
[10:53] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03Barc206 10(4ccf), 03STP - PITS Launch 10(bbae), 03Horus 44 - BRL Launch 10(6698)
[10:54] <PE2BZ> !dial 4ccf
[10:54] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03BARC4 10(4ccf): 03434.251 MHz, 434.65 MHz, 434.4505 MHz, 434.450993 MHz, 434.44945 MHz, 434.4498 MHz, 434.45024 MHz
[10:54] <AndyEsser> just got to try and ge tthe build chains up and running
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[11:00] <pb0ahx> !dial bbae
[11:00] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03WORKPI 10(bbae): 03434.10071 MHz, 434.100444 MHz, 434.100837 MHz, 434.101 MHz
[11:00] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Latest dials for 03WORKPI 10(bbae): none
[11:04] <pb0ahx> lots of qrm here on the frequentie 434.100 mmm bad
[11:16] <M0XIN> I really struggle with these 300 baud decodes
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[11:18] <rharrison> ping daveake
[11:19] <fsphil> oops, camera upside down
[11:19] <rharrison> Hey daveake, I've put a toggle mode option into the gateway. This will cycle throght the 7 defined modes before going back to the mode defined in gateway.txt
[11:19] <rharrison> fsphil, :-)
[11:20] <rharrison> !listen
[11:21] <SpacenearUS> 03rharrison: Here you go: 12https://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
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[11:24] <garymortimer> Is Southampton still the main choice for WebSDR?
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[11:32] <hairgoneJohn> hi folks. Just idly wondering if larger foil balloons than 36" available. Are there any problems going bigger?
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[11:34] <Laurenceb_> hairgoneJohn: no
[11:34] <Laurenceb_> 36" is based on the sizes of available rolls
[11:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[11:34] <Laurenceb_> nobody makes wider sheets
[11:35] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-3
[11:35] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-3 was over 03West Tigray, Ethiopia 10(13.48107,36.96215) at 0313999 meters about 036 days ago
[11:35] <Andrew_M0NRD> looks like BARC4 is going to land in the field I launched my first HAB from (Eggsplorer-1) lol
[11:36] <hairgoneJohn> Presumably a 72" balloon would give 8x lift of 36" ( cube relationship).
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[11:38] <hairgoneJohn> My curiosity is how to get max payload yet stay <2m.
[11:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03StevieCar_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=StevieCar_chase
[11:45] <Ian_> You might find that you can do it but will get very little in the way of altitude I suspect. Perhaps the thinking should be how light can I make this package yet do what it needs to do?
[11:46] <fsphil> more interesting would be >2m foils
[11:46] <fsphil> how high can you get a long duration floater
[11:50] <hairgoneJohn> My aspiration is to get a reasonable payload such as cameras etc as high as possible but not need a notam.
[11:52] <hairgoneJohn> Maybe not cameras due to stability probs but other scientific experiments.
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[11:59] <AndyEsser> suspect you'll expend more time and effort trying to do that, than just filing for a notam
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[12:11] <hairgoneJohn> I am sure that you are correct but what does the theory suggest?
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[12:17] <TT7> fsphil: coincidentally, I am about to start stretching a 2.6m diameter envelope
[12:17] <TT7> http://imgur.com/a/4UvgW
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[12:18] <floatymcspacefac> hi
[12:18] <fsphil> TT7: sweet. home made?
[12:19] <TT7> yep, the same way the previous two mentioned in my blog
[12:19] <floatymcspacefac> Im looking for some information. does anyone know how to configure what kind fo checksum the dl-fldigi software is waiting for (or get a list of what checksums are supported by it)
[12:20] <AndyEsser> https://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol?s[]=checksum
[12:20] <AndyEsser> the checksum generation is covered on this page
[12:21] <floatymcspacefac> "We support CRC16_CCITT, NMEA XOR and a couple of variants of Fletcher 16" is the only information
[12:21] <TT7> this is the largest mylar shape I can make from just four pieces. larger would require more and more sealing
[12:21] <floatymcspacefac> nothing more technical?
[12:21] <floatymcspacefac> what variants of fletcher
[12:21] <russss> floatymcspacefac: read the link AndyEsser posted.
[12:21] <floatymcspacefac> which vairant of CCITT? Kermit, XModem, FFFF?
[12:22] <AndyEsser> There is code on that page for generating the checksums
[12:22] <adamgreig> more info here
[12:22] <adamgreig> http://habitat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ukhas_parser.html#checksum-algorithms
[12:22] <adamgreig> The recommended algorithm, uses two bytes transmitted as four ASCII digits in hexadecimal. Can often be calculated using libraries for your payload hardware platform. In particular, note that we use a polynomial of 0x1021 and a start value of 0xFFFF, without reversing the input. If implemented correctly, the string habitat should checksum to 0x3EFB.
[12:23] <floatymcspacefac> ithere is code there, yes. in C. i was wondering if there was another solution other than coverting C code into python
[12:23] <adamgreig> in python you can use the crcmod library
[12:24] <floatymcspacefac> adamgreig -> Thank you :D
[12:24] <floatymcspacefac> my baloon in nearly ready!
[12:24] <adamgreig> python example https://github.com/ukhas/habitat/blob/develop/habitat/utils/checksums.py#L24-L37
[12:27] <adamgreig> that's the actual function the parser uses, so if your payload does that too you really ought to be golden ;)
[12:29] <hairgoneJohn> Great envelope. What sort of altitude and payload are you hoping for?
[12:29] <pb0ahx> WORKPI poooooof
[12:31] <Ian_> Pooooof does that mean the SD card has died on you?
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[12:32] <pb0ahx> yes al stuff here said poooooooof now
[12:34] <Ian_> The SD card is the weakest link in the chain. Watched something about using RPis as servers and they failed miserably due to SD cards failing sooner or later, but the RPi3 was a game changer \
[12:36] <floatymcspacefac> brilliant, it works! Thanks adamgreig!!!!
[12:36] <adamgreig> np
[12:37] <Ian_> it will boot from external device and use external storage too, which removes dependency on the SD card.
[12:38] <TT7> hairgoneJohn: 20-25g payload. Altitude will depend on how much I manage to stretch it. Original volume gives 14.4km, 1.5 stretch then 17km
[12:38] <fsphil> think he was talking about the balloon bursting Ian_ :)
[12:38] <pb0ahx> fun
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[12:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KK6PNN-5 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6PNN-5
[12:52] <hairgoneJohn> Ok so by the sound of it around 20km would be absolute limit.
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[13:00] <TT7> the datasheet of the material states 400% elongation at break. however the time it takes to amke
[13:02] <TT7> the time it takes to make such balloon somewhat limits my desire to push the stretching too far
[13:03] <TT7> my very rough estimates suggest 1.8-1.9 stretching on two smaller envelopes
[13:04] <TT7> I made previously
[13:07] <SpeedEvil> I'd say that's pretty good going
[13:09] <mfa298> Ian_: you can put the root FS onto another device with most of the other models of Pi, although using a USB pendrive (as some people seem to like) may not make much difference as I suspect the write life will be largly similar to a decent SD card.
[13:10] <SpeedEvil> USB-SATA is an option too
[13:12] <mfa298> If I wanted a rootfs on something better on my Pi's I'd probably just use the WD Pidrive which has a usb interface, no need for extra usb sata things.
[13:12] <mfa298> I'm not sure if the drive is just doing usb->sata->platters internally of just usb->platters
[13:13] <mfa298> I suspect the former - but having it all in one package is good
[13:20] <zyp> not like it matters, both USB-MSC and SATA are just SCSI transports
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> As long as SMART is carried through
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> It's a damn shame SDs haven't worked out how to do SMART
[13:23] <zyp> SDs are not based on SCSI, they have their own command set
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[13:28] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[13:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI3G - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI3G
[13:36] <daveake> Is the uploader of "AJCDX1" here ?
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[13:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PILORA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILORA
[13:50] <michal_f> http://imgur.com/hs5dPQT - what that this X mean ?
[13:52] <AndyEsser> treasure
[13:52] <Andrew_M0NRD> Balloon fragment? or the Black Knight? ;-) http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2017-04-21--12-40-52-WORKPI-12BF2.jpeg?u=58
[13:53] <michal_f> payload in shrubbery :]
[13:57] <daveake> It's a special thing on SNUS for landing prediction
[13:59] <daveake> Where the tracker sends out a separate sentence, with payload ID of "XX", to denote its own prediction of the landing spot
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[14:06] <gonzo_> shrubbery? then the X must translate to 'Ni'
[14:09] <fsphil> looks like the bananna from mario kart
[14:10] <Andrew_M0NRD> and there I was resisting a Monty Python reference
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[14:23] <gonzo_> that would take too much self control for me
[14:25] <michal_f> SELF
[14:25] <michal_f> anyway, nice thing with that prediction spot
[14:26] <michal_f> daveake, how is your prediction code in PITS doing? Whats the accuracy?
[14:30] <daveake> I'll tell you when I've flown it :-)
[14:31] <daveake> I've run it with a stored flight and it was pretty good
[14:32] <daveake> Next flight should have that, LoRa calling mode, 3G connection for telemetry/images/youtube
[14:32] <daveake> and a separate TK102 --> habitat via a Python gateway
[14:37] <fsphil> woop, calling channel
[14:37] <michal_f> ok :)
[14:43] <daveake> Only been 10 months since you had that idea fsphil :/
[15:04] <rharrison> ping daveake
[15:05] <daveake> pung
[15:05] <rharrison> :-)
[15:05] <rharrison> Updates ok?
[15:05] <daveake> not looked yet. had a touch of man flu this week
[15:05] <rharrison> Ooh :-(
[15:05] <rharrison> The worse kind
[15:05] <daveake> heh
[15:05] <rharrison> I implemented mode cycling with the m key last night
[15:06] <rharrison> finished at 1 a,m
[15:06] <daveake> that always works out well :p
[15:06] <rharrison> it cycles around the loramodes before returning to the gateway.txt config
[15:07] <daveake> righto
[15:08] <rharrison> moved all the hex #defines to rfmxx.h
[15:08] <rharrison> hope that was ok
[15:08] <daveake> yeah I saw. Needed doing. So many of them.
[15:10] <rharrison> took a while to figure out the best approch for the mode switching but got there in the end. More usinf the force and reading the source
[15:10] <rharrison> Quite an elegant solution in the end
[15:11] <rharrison> it could do with a make tidy to fix my formating as I checked and your code matches this format now.
[15:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0NMG-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0NMG-11
[15:15] <rharrison> I added this too #DIO0_0=31 ## NB THIS IS WIRINGPI PIN NUMBER NOT HEADER PIN NUMBER
[15:15] <rharrison> as i thought they were the header pins on the pi
[15:16] <daveake> yeah nobody uses header pin numbers .. usually it's BCM numbers
[15:16] <daveake> and just to add to the fun, wiringpi <> either of those
[15:16] <rharrison> I put it on the same line as if anyone is like me they wont look much further than the line
[15:17] <rharrison> is wiringpi the same as BCM
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[15:18] <daveake> ^^ wiringpi <> either of those
[15:19] <daveake> It can be switched to using BCM numbers, and in retrospect that would have been a good idea, but too late now
[15:20] <rharrison> is BCM better than wiringPi?
[15:22] <daveake> BCM is the chip maker; BCM pins are the physical pin numbers; WiringPi is a library that uses a different set of numbers
[15:23] <daveake> Other Pi I/O libraries stick with the BCM numbers
[15:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0128 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0128
[15:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TK102 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TK102
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[16:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MancBalloonian - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MancBalloonian
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[17:19] <Ian_> daveake is that m also M, for cycling both channels? When is the "Outward replay" scheduled for?
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[17:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9RNS after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9RNS
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[17:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRF-6 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRF-6
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[18:48] <daveake> Ian_: m/M dunno not checked the source yet!
[18:49] <daveake> OO - Steve is thinking of July
[18:49] <daveake> It'll depend on predictions as CAA are requesting a certain range of directions
[18:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W9UVI-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W9UVI-11
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[19:00] <Ian_> Many thanks daveake. I asked rharrison last night, late, but he had already gone. That and he turns up with a multiplicity of names and doesn't hang around for long . . . :)
[19:00] <daveake> :)
[19:01] <daveake> The m/M thing, and all the other recent changes, are his
[19:02] <Ian_> I still have to get some positive LoRa results. Realised that about the changes. My turn for man flu this week; throbbing head and each cough is like another kick in the ribs
[19:04] <daveake> Mine seems to be a 4-day cold
[19:05] <Ian_> That gives me hope that I only have a day and a half to suffer. Not nearly as bad as the Christmas dose, fortunately.
[19:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03xyz_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=xyz_chase
[20:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PILORA after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PILORA
[20:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03XX after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XX
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[20:26] <AndyEsser> right, apparently I'm compiling code for the Cortex
[20:26] <AndyEsser> and GDB can hook in
[20:26] <AndyEsser> time to work out how to flash it
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[22:50] <Roke> Hi all! We are launching a PITS tracker on Saturday the 22nd at 13:00 local time from near Rossett, Wrexham: 53.105, -2.925. The flight is expected to drift SE and land near Evesham at around 15:50. Any help with tracking would be massively appreciated, especially since this is our first launch.
[22:51] <Roke> Callsign MancBalloonian - 434.25MHz USB RTTY 300 baud 600Hz shift ASCII-8 no parity 2 stop bits
[22:51] <Roke> Many thanks!
[22:52] <mfa298> Roke: posting on the mailing list is probably a good idea
[22:53] <mfa298> and presumably you've got permission from the CAA, tested your payload and got a flightdoc on habhub that's been approved
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[22:55] <Roke> Yes, we have the CAA's exemption and we are currently on the Habhub schedule. Thanks for the suggestion!
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[22:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[23:04] <mfa298> excellent, there have been a few people that have failed at one of both of those. I'm glad that's not the case this time :)
[23:04] <mfa298> mailing list is always good as that'll get anyone not here now or anyone that doesn't look back at the history
[23:05] <swaledale_steve_> mfa298: they've done the mailing list too, I picked it up as landing predict is on my roof :)
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[23:51] <Laurenceb_> !whereis UBSEDS21
[23:51] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03UBSEDS21 was over 0325.22007,-12.5309 at 0315849 meters about 0322 days ago
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