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[00:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SQ8LUN-12 after 0311 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ8LUN-12
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[02:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VR2UIF-12 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VR2UIF-12
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[05:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
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[05:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP6ZWR after 039 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP6ZWR
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[06:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[07:08] <burnedfingers> vk3pb: i'm here :)
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[08:31] <PE2BZ> !flights
[08:31] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: There are no flights currently :(
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[09:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 036 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
[09:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-14 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-14
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[10:19] <pb0ahx> GM all
[10:19] <pb0ahx> !flights
[10:19] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: There are no flights currently :(
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[11:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KK6PNN-5 after 0318 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6PNN-5
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[13:16] <PE2BZ> Good afternoon. Any info abt HB9FDK-14 ? Is it transmitting every 30 minutes or so ?
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[14:32] <enrico__> Hello. Sorry for my english. I have some questions about the reception of radiosonde. Can anybody help me?
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> Ask, and maybe.
[14:44] <enrico__> Y bought a Preamp (434 MHz) and the antenna Harvest SRH-519 Dual Band (all from uputronics). My question is, until what height can detect my sistem? Is a poor system? Better with other antenna?
[14:45] <enrico__> I will transmit with the NTX2b (10 mW).
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> I don't know that particular antenna. Assuming it's reasonable omnidirectional, height isn't a problem. With a good site (no local interference), you should get hundreds of km distance.
[14:51] <enrico__> Nice info! Thanks!
[14:52] <mfa298> the limiting factor is usually line of site, So when the balloon is high it's signal will go a long way
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> Local interference can kill it though.
[14:52] <mfa298> as it comes in to land the range will reduce - so if you want to recover it you need to be close as it comes down.
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[14:57] <enrico__> Ah ok. My question came because i did a test in land, and in about 300 meters the signal was very very poor. But i supouse is because there was too much trees
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[15:05] <Ian_> I imagine that 300m on the ground is about right for an NTX2B (10mW). The antenna (I have looked it up) is probably ideal for the chase, but is essentially a portable antenna and so the gain is ... "portable".
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[15:10] <Ian_> enrico__ For fixed station use, the Diamond X50 is the standard, entry level benchmark; a good collinear antenna.
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[15:11] <Ian_> Diamond also do other dual-band collinear antennas with better gain figures, but they are physically larger and more expensive.
[15:13] <Ian_> An alternative is Watson, who seem to do much the same at a lower price point. I use a Watson W300 which compares with the Diamond X300 in everything but price.
[15:16] <Ian_> Connectors tend to be N-type of course. Interestingly Moonraker also do a nice collinear with good gain figures and give both Diamond and Watson a run for their money in the price department.
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[15:18] <Ian_> You haven't said if the SRH-519 is on your radio or on your tracker . . . expensive overkill on a tracker where making a wire 1/4 wave ground plane antenna is the BEST way to go; in terms of performance and cost - absolutely minimal - and weighs almost nothing too.
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[15:18] <enrico__> Thanks Ian for the info!!
[15:19] <Ian_> Where are you located; UK, Europe?
[15:19] <enrico__> The SRH is on radio. On tracker i made the antenna
[15:19] <enrico__> South America!! Here is not so easy haha
[15:19] <Ian_> That's good. So Moonraker, a UK supplier is not an option.
[15:21] <enrico__> I will investigate, excellent info!
[15:23] <Ian_> Underneath a package, there will be a bit of a null in the signal as the radiation angle of a 1/4 wave ground plane - which you built, is essentially a cone pointing towards the earth, with nothing coming directly off the end of the radiating wire, so if a balloon passes over your head the signal will fall until it moves away from you a little bit.
[15:23] <Ian_> What are you using for your radio?
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[15:24] <enrico__> I have the dongle RTL 2832. This radio can be a problem?
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[15:28] <Ian_> I have several dongle RTLs, but have yet to use them for anything! https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=suws+websdr check out this SDR site at Southampton University in the South of England.
[15:31] <Ian_> It uses an RTL dongle for each band, with minimal modifications, new crystal for stability and screening for general improvement, has pre-amplifiers at the antennas to ensure a good signal at the receiver, but is an excellent example of what can be done. The site is at least in part managed by M0DNY (?) craag on here.
[15:33] <Ian_> What SDR software are you using and what computer OS. Be assured that your English is better than my Spanish. I notice that your clock time is anywhere between -2 and -5 hours behind the UK, -3 to -6 behind UTC. Here it is 1634 currently.
[15:37] <cm13g09> Ian_: craag does indeed manage the SUWS WebSDR
[15:38] <cm13g09> (at least the technology side of it)
[15:38] <enrico__> Im using SDRSharp in W7. I already made test in home with the radiosonde and the decodification with dl-fldigi. Is all ok, now i have to launch the radiosonde. My fear is launch the package and lose the signal a few meters...
[15:38] <enrico__> Yes, im in Argentina. Here is 12.38
[15:39] <PE2BZ> Would be nice if there where others flying so you could test your RX setup. However, as said allready. 300 meter with 10 mW at ground level is quite normal.
[15:40] <Ian_> Ah, so 4 hours difference - always good to know as you can guess when people are sleeping or away at an evening meal, although I believe that UK evening meals are often a lot earlier than in Spain, for example.
[15:41] <mfa298> enrico__: you may want to check the radio laws in your area. The NTX2b is popular in the UK and Europe as it's in a license free band here, that may not be the case in South America.
[15:42] <Ian_> I need to make a LoRa tracker just to be able to check out my LoRa receivers. I have received only one flight which approached Wolverhampton, so have a lot of antenna work to do now the good wx is here.
[15:44] <enrico__> Here in Argentina is not common to launch radiosonde like hobby. Only do this the national institute of meteoroly.
[15:46] <enrico__> Yes, i consult the Communication commission (i dont know how you call that) and they say that should not be a problem. The 434 Mhz is the band for radio amateurs
[15:46] <enrico__> and 10 mW is so poor in power
[15:47] <Ian_> That could change as more people do it, although there are regulations AdministraciĆ³n Nacional de AviaciĆ³n is the place to check for the aviation aspect.
[15:47] <mfa298> if you've checked already that's good :) just didn't want you making assumptions based on UK/EU law
[15:49] <Ian_> In the UK, on the radio side, we are not permitted to transmit amateur radio airborne and so use ISM (Industrial, Scientific & Medical) radio rules - ergo 10mW and why a distributed listener community has grown so successfully.
[15:49] <cm13g09> mfa298: o/
[15:50] <mfa298> cm13g09: \o
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[15:50] <Ian_> \o/
[15:50] <enrico__> yes, i talk with the SMN (Servicio Meteorologico Nacional) and they said i can launch the radiosonde in their installations
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[15:51] <Ian_> You will merely have to wait for Conference 2017
[15:52] <Ian_> That's exceedingly generous of SMN to extend the use of their premises for your launches.
[15:53] <enrico__> Yes, they are!!
[15:54] <Ian_> They want to keep an eye on you :) but may be very helpful as well as perhaps learning a thing or two in the process.
[15:59] <enrico__> Haha, sure!
[16:04] <Ian_> I am about to go and do a little gardening . . . weeds must . . . but will be back.
[16:04] <cm13g09> Ian_: THAT was awful
[16:05] <enrico__> ok, thank you very much ian!
[16:06] <Ian_> Wife thinks the answer is weed killer, *checks tea cup for paraquat . . . It seems not to work well, until you walk on an area of path that it has recently been sprayed upon and then walk across a lawn.
[16:06] <Ian_> Footprints show up well . . . I believe in digging and planting competition. Less digging is good though.
[16:07] <Ian_> Night scented stock and . . . Sunflowers :)
[16:07] Action: cm13g09 does battle with Windows just to get a video off an iPhone
[16:08] <Ian_> Good luck picking the lock of the walled garden there then!
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[16:35] <cm13g09> Ian_: hah - Windows 10 and iPhone play nice
[16:36] <cm13g09> Linux and iPhone - nope
[16:39] <Reb-SM0ULC> test
[16:42] <cm13g09> Reb-SM0ULC: seems to work
[16:46] <Reb-SM0ULC> :)
[16:47] <Reb-SM0ULC> a bit of lag in the network on the train
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[16:49] <A-meal> Hello
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[16:57] <A-meal> Would one of ublox's 'untethered dead reckoning' chips be good for a guided rocket?
[16:58] <adamgreig> probably not
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[17:08] <AndyEsser> adamgreig: "guided rocket" sounds suspiciously like "missile"
[17:29] <Laurenceb_> aiui the dead reckoning is for auto use?
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[17:43] <Ian_> Dead reckoning - vector for fast running fords, not necessarily Fords, fjiords and muddy farm tracks - just what your average driver needs.
[17:45] <Ian_> Mr T might be calling you any time after your next A_meal . . . to discuss your new interest . . . :)
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[18:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5YAM-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5YAM-1
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[20:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OM2AMR - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM2AMR
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[22:17] <esculca> hi guys
[22:17] <esculca> Is anybody in here playing with APRS?
[22:17] <esculca> need some quick advice
[22:18] <esculca> I am generating the APRS message correctly ( I believe)
[22:18] <esculca> I can receive it a decoded it using SDR + MULTIPSK software
[22:19] <esculca> but for some reason I cannot seem to reach any digipeater
[22:19] <esculca> or iGate
[22:19] <esculca> nearby
[22:19] <SnkMtn> have you made your own igate?
[22:20] <esculca> You mean using MultiPSK as the iGate?
[22:21] <esculca> MultiPSK has a feature that allow the possibility of uploading the decoded frames to the internet
[22:21] <esculca> I've already tried that
[22:21] <esculca> when I do I am able to see the position in aprs.fi
[22:23] <SnkMtn> I mean like APRSISCE/32 and a cheap radio.
[22:23] <SnkMtn> or SDR
[22:24] <esculca> I am using just SDR + MULTIPSK
[22:24] <esculca> I assume MULTIPSK is similar to APRSISCE
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[22:25] <SnkMtn> APRS gateways are generally limited to HAM radio operators as per aprs.fi
[22:26] <SnkMtn> Anyone can generate it.
[22:26] <esculca> yes... I am using a dummy SSID
[22:26] <esculca> I am not yet a valid HAM
[22:26] <esculca> I know this is not right
[22:27] <esculca> I will apply for that soon
[22:27] <SnkMtn> If you just want to decode raw get this. https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmm/
[22:27] <SnkMtn> decodes the audio
[22:27] <esculca> I am able to decode
[22:27] <esculca> no issued
[22:27] <esculca> no issues
[22:28] <esculca> I tried qtmm as well
[22:28] <esculca> it also works
[22:28] <esculca> what I cannot do is to get closeby digipeaters to receive may messages
[22:28] <esculca> maybe they are receiving that
[22:28] <SnkMtn> to show up on aprs.fi requires a ham radio call id. It is an easy test.
[22:28] <esculca> I don't know
[22:29] <esculca> I see
[22:30] <SnkMtn> To show up on spacenearus was less than trivial me but satisfying,...finally.
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[22:30] <esculca> that also tooke me a while
[22:33] <esculca> let me make a few experiments
[22:34] <SnkMtn> That's how I learned. "So it goes". :)
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[22:34] <esculca> Thanks
[22:35] <SnkMtn> I'm a noob of three year. Good luck.
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[23:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VR2UIF-12 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VR2UIF-12
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