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[01:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03dude my car_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=dude%20my%20car_chase
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[04:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VR2UIF-12 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VR2UIF-12
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[06:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GAS-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GAS-4
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[07:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-7 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-7
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[07:42] <hyde00001> Morning all... I'm hoping for some sage advice regarding a possible launch Sunday...
[07:42] <hyde00001> My current flight path is here: http://i.imgur.com/e4WJ0gX.jpg
[07:44] <hyde00001> I'd be flirting with Luton and Stansted airports.... How close is too close???
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[08:04] <Upu> You don't want to flirt at all :)
[08:05] <Upu> are those hourlys moving away or closer ?
[08:06] <Upu> tbh don't fly that
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[08:11] <hyde00001> Upu - hourlys moving away from one but towards another... so both..
[08:12] <hyde00001> but sage advice close to my gut feeling, so helpful...
[08:13] <hyde00001> guess I'm also trying to work out if path shifted say 10-20 miles north would that be acceptable?
[08:15] <hyde00001> got to go but will rejoin later and catch any other sage advice on backlog...
[08:15] <dbrooke> hyde00001: your descent on that is also close to where a lot of the aircraft descend
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[08:30] <Kryten64> can anyone here suggest where to purchase a weather balloon... randomengineering website is still down so think they have ceased trading????
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[08:31] <AndyEsser> I doubt Steve has stopped trading
[08:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC2 after 0319 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC2
[08:39] <mfa298> if only he'd stayed around long enoguh for an answer
[08:47] <PB0AHX> GM all
[09:04] <junderwood> Maxus launch in 25 min. http://esrange.insupport.se/
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[09:16] <AndyEsser> KLAXONS
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[09:44] <cm13g09> morning mfa298
[09:45] <mfa298> morning cm13g09
[09:46] <AndyEsser> junderwood: good launch?
[09:46] <junderwood> Yes
[09:46] <cm13g09> mfa298: PM
[09:46] <junderwood> And we have a signal in descent although it isn't showing on the map
[09:50] <junderwood> Aargh. Callsign was wrong on flight doc
[09:50] <AndyEsser> see if anyone in #habhub can do a hotfix to get it on
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[09:53] <junderwood> 3km. It will be on the ground in seconds
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[09:54] <hyde00001> "VORTEX" strings in the parser logtail - but looks like no working payload document...
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[10:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ7KHZ-11_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ7KHZ-11_chase
[10:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[10:10] <hyde00001> FWIW, the logtail had VORTEX1 as the callsign and the telemetry appeared to have a extra field comprising the letter u that the parser couldn't cope with...
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[10:36] <junderwood> hyde00001, the problem was that we didn't upload a string during testing (habhub was only a backup for us). In fact the payload name on the flight doc was wrong (VORTEX 1 vs 6)
[10:36] <junderwood> The parser found an old payload description
[10:36] <junderwood> We got the data - that's the important thing. We just lost the live display
[10:42] <hyde00001> Glad you got the data!
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[10:59] <Laurenceb_> grrr stupid Orange fool
[10:59] <Laurenceb_> tbh this calls for direct action
[11:00] <Laurenceb_> sorry -> /politics
[11:00] <PB0AHX> !flights
[11:00] <SpacenearUS> 03PB0AHX: Current flights: 03Maxus 9 10(2a9d)
[11:00] <PB0AHX> !dial 2a9d
[11:01] <PB0AHX> !payload 2a9d
[11:01] <SpacenearUS> 03PB0AHX: Latest dials for 03SuperMax 10(2a9d): none
[11:01] <SpacenearUS> 03PB0AHX: Payload 03SuperMax 10(2a9d) 03$$VORTEX6 - 03Primary - 03434.4 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/450Hz ASCII-7 none 1
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[11:09] <junderwood> PB0AHX, too late. It's sitting in a snow drift
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[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VK5EI-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5EI-11
[11:36] <PB0AHX> junderwood, tnx info
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[12:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0VJI-11 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0VJI-11
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[13:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS24 after 035 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS24
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[13:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0MVU - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0MVU
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[14:06] <junderwood> SuperMax has been recovered :) Looking forward to seeing the video
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[14:19] <Laurenceb> !whereis HIRFW-3
[14:19] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03HIRFW-3 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(8.81441,-85.45452) at 0314332 meters about 0315 hours ago
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[14:29] <ghoti> Anyone know if there's a hanging/hook scale that reports weight via USB? I see lots of kitchen/postal scales from various vendors, but nothing hanging.
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[14:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-8 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-8
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[15:02] <SopaXorzTaker> Guys!
[15:02] <SopaXorzTaker> http://www.pocketqubeshop.com/hardware/on-board-computer
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[15:02] <SopaXorzTaker> That PCB is certainly worth it
[15:02] <SopaXorzTaker> That's a nice acrylic stand with a PCB: http://www.pocketqubeshop.com/hardware/test-and-development-setup-tedes
[15:02] <SopaXorzTaker> worth it, too!
[15:15] <fsphil> wow, pocket change
[15:15] <fsphil> i'm getting two
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[15:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SSTAR0122 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SSTAR0122
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[16:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4MRH-9 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4MRH-9
[16:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> ghoti: the kitchenskale I have show minus if I pull the tray so just glue a hoock on it and it should work, hang on a sec, Il link to the one I have
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[16:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> I have the 200gr one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-500-0-1g-Stainless-steel-Digital-Electronic-LCD-Jewelry-Pocket-Weight-Scale-/152294494052?var=&hash=item2375758f64:m:m5Pd64UuwEec5Il0PXnckDw
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[18:01] <putrum> hi?
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[18:01] <putrum> anyone here?
[18:01] <Ian_> Hi . . .
[18:02] <putrum> hi Ian
[18:02] <Ian_> A lot will be thinking of an evening meal in the UK at this time . . .
[18:02] <Ian_> Are you UK based?
[18:02] <putrum> im from spain
[18:02] <Ian_> Hola
[18:03] <putrum> i just whatching the balloons
[18:03] <putrum> i see one very interesting is named HIRFW-6
[18:04] <putrum> maybe round the planet 15 times?
[18:04] <putrum> great!! congratulations to the owner :)
[18:05] <putrum> i want to know more about the communications is crazy you can mantain contact along the ocean
[18:06] <Ian_> Yes, I believe that it does WISPR mode on HF. It takes a lot of work to achieve all the ducks in a row.
[18:06] <Ian_> You are not a radio amateur (eficianado de radio?)
[18:07] <putrum> nop, but im pilot and we have several problems to mantain contact to groung in the ocean
[18:08] <Ian_> Private or Commercial? You'll love the HAB community, altitude in metres not ft :)
[18:08] <putrum> I want to make a super pressure balloon too :)
[18:08] <putrum> i use typical latex balloons with not great results, only 20 km
[18:09] <putrum> but the payload was over 1,5 kg :_)
[18:09] <Ian_> Would have expected that you could quite easily crack 30km but not with a payload of that weigt.
[18:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> keep an eye on qrp-labs page, might be a balloon wspr tracker on sale in the future
[18:10] <putrum> i usually use a sms tracker tbut i'd like to use UHF or VHF or maybe HF
[18:10] <Ian_> The UBSEDS24 and HIRFW-6 trackers are probably under 50g quite a feat
[18:10] <putrum> ok
[18:11] <Ian_> I doubt it, but there is no harm in hoping.
[18:11] <Ian_> !wiki
[18:11] <SpacenearUS> 03Ian_: Here be the wiki, arr: 12http://ukhas.org.uk
[18:12] <putrum> my idea was to perform one but results says other thing :(
[18:13] <Ian_> That's the source of all knowledge. The first amateur circumnavigation was around three years ago and the balloons were named B-01 through B-65, with B-64 getting everything right. That used APRS \
[18:14] <putrum> Leo Bodnar, I found him before the ukhas page. I use arduinos and 433 mhz transmitter with low results
[18:15] <putrum> Y see another interesting maker called TT7
[18:15] <Ian_> and like UBSEDS-24 and I think HIRFW-6 they stored compressed track info so that it was available when it made landfall or APRS contact.
[18:16] <putrum> Ups I can not find information about UBSEDS-24
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[18:17] <Ian_> To be honest, you can develop on an Arduino but need to use the naked Atmega328P-PU to get the weight down. Starting with a bit of a lashup and getting to a bespoke board
[18:18] <Ian_> The secret is to realise that the guys will probably write up the current flight after it has finished, so try an earlier one in the sequence . . .
[18:18] <Ian_> http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/hab/flight/2016/12/11/ubseds21.html
[18:19] <putrum> I see you use your own transmitter the Radiometrix,I'm trying to other cheaper ones but the results are not good
[18:20] <Ian_> Then take it from there. The architect of those is richardeoin who appears logged on here now, but may not be physically watching.
[18:20] <putrum> ok
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[18:22] <putrum> well, my idea is to experience and learn step by step :)
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[18:23] <Ian_> The current entry level standards are probably NTX2B-FA from Upu or I believe there is another one with a slightly different form factor. LoRa is a new kid on the block with promise, but has a proprietry modulation scheme and some RFM and Silabs chips.
[18:24] <Ian_> The best option for an up-down flight is LoRa or RTTY (lots of other modes available for the NTX2B also of course)
[18:24] <putrum> now i feel confortable using arduinos and next step is to use RTTY and well, Now I have some problems understanding fldigi... I'm just starting
[18:25] <craag> "problems understanding fldigi.." - we're all stuck there :P
[18:26] <Ian_> GSM and Spot regularly get brought into the conversation but the spot is a 50:50 option, expensive and like GSM doesn't work well in a ditch or above about 12km or so.
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[18:27] <putrum> Now, to find a balloon and be able to decode the information would be a great success for me :)
[18:28] <PE2BZ> putrum if there are any flight in range of a web sdr you could try that first
[18:28] <Ian_> dl_fldigi, the distributed version that talks to the Habitat database and which I think was worked on by fsphil
[18:28] <putrum> I try
[18:31] <Ian_> http://websdr.suws.org.uk/ That is the baby of craag and the hardware might surprise you. It saves you the initial expense of a SSB radio and is in range of S England flights. There are of course other WebSRDs in the UK and Europe that you can use.
[18:32] <Ian_> I'm struggling here Raspberry Pi3 and an exceedingly cheap keyboard with rubbish keys.
[18:33] <Ian_> Pending a SUSE rebuild
[18:36] <putrum> a question, when you receive a signal for example on 434 Mhz. How you can know if the information comes in Domino,Contestia,CW? sorry if is stupid the question but is a great doubt for me
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[18:37] <PE2BZ> putrum can you connect to 109.109.112.170:8075 ? That should give you my OpenwebRX sdr
[18:37] <putrum> ok
[18:39] <bertrik> putrum: unless there was some notification in advance, it can be tricky to positively identify a radio signal
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[18:39] <bertrik> but typically you look at things like the bandwidth and the nature of the modulation (is it two lines in the waterfall, or multiple)
[18:40] <PE2BZ> at the moment I have my RS41 sonde transmitting 75 bd rtty at 434.500 MHz USB
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[18:40] <putrum> ok bertrik the I understand prior to listen you may be know what kind of transmission is
[18:41] <PE2BZ> I hope putrum can get it´s first decoding with dlflfigi
[18:41] <Ian_> The UKHAS mailing list hopefully announces upcoming launches.
[18:42] <putrum> i check habhub map and I don't see no balloons flying over spain or france or the mediterranean
[18:42] <Ian_> Not sure of the date of the Operation Outward re-enactment, but that should be worth a LoRa receiver, but possibly not as far away as Spain.
[18:42] <Ian_> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/ukhas
[18:42] <bertrik> the sound it makes can also help, like if there's a kind of repetition in the signal
[18:43] <Ian_> Sorry wrong link http://nerdsville.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/lora-lora-laughs.html
[18:43] <putrum> ah interesting
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[18:43] <Ian_> They will use GPS locked transmissions so that a number of balloons will share a frequency
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[18:44] <Ian_> Which will be fine at a distance and then overflying PE2BZ antenna array will give him chronic pointing problems,
[18:44] <putrum> PE2BZ sorry I can not connect to your IP
[18:45] <PE2BZ> websdr.pe2bz.nl:8075 ?
[18:45] <Upu> http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/ is back btw
[18:45] <Upu> evening
[18:45] <PE2BZ> Good evening
[18:45] <PE2BZ> How´s the little one doing ?
[18:46] <Ian_> Forgotten in the bath from last night
[18:46] <Upu> asleep :)
[18:46] <Ian_> Whew
[18:46] <PE2BZ> Bad Ian_ !
[18:46] <Upu> she had a busy day trying to stand up
[18:46] <Ian_> :)
[18:46] <PE2BZ> She won
[18:46] <Upu> you know what she did
[18:46] <PE2BZ> She won´t stay a baby :-)
[18:47] <Upu> I know :/
[18:48] <Ian_> You will wince every time she totters towards the edge of a table. Then later with increased stability all those little things on tables will get cleared if you aren't careful.
[18:48] <Ian_> Got that t-shirt too.
[18:48] <PE2BZ> Can anyone try if 131.180.123.9:8075 can be reached from ¨the other side¨ of the internet ?
[18:49] <Upu> as what ?
[18:49] <PE2BZ> as my openweb rx for hab band ?
[18:49] <Upu> into what do I stick that ?
[18:49] <PE2BZ> In a decent browser
[18:50] <putrum> ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT says
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[18:50] <Upu> negative here
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[18:50] <Ian_> Permanent state of connecting
[18:50] <bertrik> not working here either (gouda, netherlands)
[18:50] <PE2BZ> putrum if you ping websdr.pe2bz.nl does that give you 131.180.123.9 as IP address ?
[18:51] <putrum> a second
[18:51] <PE2BZ> bertrik and 109.109.112.170:8075 ?
[18:51] <putrum> yes
[18:51] <putrum> 131.180.123.9
[18:52] <bertrik> PE2BZ: nothing happening there, "Connecting ...."
[18:52] <PE2BZ> just a moment. I seem to be missing a NAT
[18:54] <PE2BZ> bertrik and 109.109.112.170:8075 now ?
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[18:54] <putrum> im going to the fridge to another beer, any one want?
[18:54] <PE2BZ> yes please ;-)
[18:55] <Ian_> :)
[18:55] <putrum> sorry was the last one :)))
[18:55] <Ian_> :(
[18:56] <Ian_> Planning problem
[18:56] <PE2BZ> putrum does 109.109.112.170:8075 work now ?
[18:57] <putrum> yes im in
[18:57] <bertrik> works here :)
[18:58] <PE2BZ> NIce. If you click USB and select frequency 434.498.6 then you should hear 75 baud rtty
[18:58] <putrum> i see a waterfall
[18:58] <Ian_> Likewise
[18:58] <PE2BZ> You can click on the frequency, and you can zoom with your scroll wheel
[18:59] <PE2BZ> $$$PE2BZ,115,185919,51.99148,4.19887,3,31,257,6,776,0,80*3D65
[19:00] <PE2BZ> wrong window...
[19:00] <PE2BZ> putrum do you manage to select a frequency ?
[19:01] <putrum> yes i think
[19:02] <PE2BZ> nice. Any audio ?
[19:02] <putrum> i see the 434 there is a blink receiving
[19:02] <putrum> i open fldigi
[19:02] <PE2BZ> do you have teamviewer ?
[19:03] <putrum> sorry i dont know what is a teamviewer
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[19:03] <PE2BZ> with teamviewer someone can assist you by taking your screen and mouse remotely. But never mind
[19:04] <putrum> ah ok
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[19:04] <PE2BZ> if you tune to 434.500 and zoom in (mouse wheel) that you should see / hear an rtty signal
[19:04] <putrum> i try
[19:05] <putrum> i dont know how to arrive to 434.5
[19:06] <putrum> ok im in
[19:06] <PE2BZ> If all is well you see a scale on top of the page. 433.0 at the left, 435.0 at the right.
[19:06] <putrum> i can listen the rtty
[19:06] <PE2BZ> If you move the mouse to the waterfall and scroll the mousewheel you can zoom in and out
[19:07] <putrum> :)
[19:07] <PE2BZ> that´s nice :-)
[19:07] <PE2BZ> Now the fldigi part
[19:08] <putrum> i see the waterfall in the fldigi
[19:08] <putrum> but it seems i have not the correct configuration of rtty
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[19:08] <PE2BZ> +1 for that. Now, set op mode to RTTY
[19:08] <PE2BZ> 75 bd
[19:09] <putrum> ok
[19:09] <putrum> 75N or 75W?
[19:09] <PE2BZ> carrier shift custom at 520 hz
[19:09] <PE2BZ> either is ok
[19:10] <PE2BZ> 7 bits ascii none parity and 1 (or 2) stop bits
[19:13] <putrum> maybe i do something wrong
[19:13] <putrum> i receive but the information written is no clear
[19:14] <PE2BZ> http://imgur.com/a/3RW7Z
[19:14] <PE2BZ> does your fldigi look (a bit) like this ?
[19:15] <putrum> ok
[19:15] <putrum> now !!!
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[19:15] <putrum> $3PE2BZ,184,191517,51.99195,4.19927,-61,31,254,6,1248,0,80*C2B1
[19:15] <PE2BZ> Yeah !!
[19:16] <putrum> was the custom size was not in 520
[19:16] <PE2BZ> that´s my radio call sign, the package number since power on, the time in UTC from the GPS and my GPS position
[19:16] <putrum> great
[19:17] <PE2BZ> You are currently receiving a modified RS41 radiosonde which transmits RTTY from home with 50 mW and is received at my web sdr at my job at 2 km distance.
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[19:18] <PE2BZ> If there are any launches from NL, UK or BE you can try my websdr and see if you can decode anything.
[19:18] <putrum> wow, im going to repair my yagi now!! :)
[19:19] <PE2BZ> I am going to take it off air now and have some chat with my wife
[19:19] <putrum> yes of course I try it
[19:19] <PE2BZ> If that´s ok ;-)
[19:19] <putrum> jeje see you
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[19:20] <PE2BZ> FM modulation on 434.800 (dutch) 433.200 (dutch) and 433.100 (dutch)
[19:20] <PE2BZ> I am afk
[19:20] <PE2BZ> Bye
[19:21] <putrum> thaks to all. Bye
[19:23] <Ian_> PE2BZ putrum was one of the fastest to get to grips with dl_fldigi in quite a while here . . . :) good show all round. Must be time for tea (dinner)
[19:23] <PE2BZ> Dinner is almost digested ;-)
[19:23] <PE2BZ> I have also only 1 beer in the fridge :-))
[19:24] <putrum> jajaja
[19:25] <PE2BZ> Fast learning Dutch !
[19:25] <PE2BZ> afk
[19:25] <putrum> im listening 433.2 I i cant undersand nothing :(
[19:25] <putrum> :))))))
[19:25] <PE2BZ> Google translate
[19:25] <putrum> jajajaja
[19:26] <putrum> see you! im going for dinner! thanks to all!!!
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[19:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NY0H-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NY0H-11
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