highaltitude.log.20170405

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[00:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0312345_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=12345_chase
[00:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[06:12] <Gillman> hey guys
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[06:19] <gillman> hey MoALTz
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[06:39] <gillman> whats the best kind of tracking device for HAB have been looking at the spot
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[06:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> spot is good backup, most uses habduino, trackuino , piinthesky (pisky)
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[07:07] <fsphil> anything that sends the position over radio directly to the ground is best
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[07:15] <gonzo_> gillman, what country are you launching in?
[07:39] <gillman> Denmark
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[07:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03audi_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=audi_chase
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[08:30] <Gillman> do you need GPS and APRS, or could a setup with only APRS work?
[08:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> aprs with gps, or not much use if you dont know where it is
[08:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> meaning sending gps long lat over aprs
[08:37] <mfa298> Gillman: you also need to check what's allowed in your area, aprs means you need an amateur radio license (at least to be useful), and not everywhere allows amateur radio (which is where aprs runs) to be used airborne
[08:58] <AndyEsser> o0o, there's a company nearby that apparently maintains a number of "repeaters and base stations nationwide"
[08:58] <AndyEsser> wonder if I can get them to add a hab tracker to each site :)
[08:59] <gonzo_> would have to be a stand alone and robust unit
[09:00] <Reb-SM0ULC> morning
[09:02] <AndyEsser> gonzo_: another project for the list :P
[09:02] <Reb-SM0ULC> Gillman: possible to send only telemetry but could be problems with geographical filtering
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[09:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UTCO_LORA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UTCO_LORA
[09:23] <Gillman> Whats the cheapest way to obtain an APRS trackig unit
[09:25] <mfa298> cheapest is probably to make one yourself (gps unit, microcontroller, small radio transmitter)
[09:25] <mfa298> Gillman: do you have an amateur radio license ?
[09:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> off the shelf probably https://store.uputronics.com/?route=product/product&product_id=57
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[09:33] <Gillman> dont have license but plannning to obtain
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[09:41] <Reb-SM0ULC> Gillman: you aim for up-down flights or floters?
[09:51] <Gillman> up-down
[09:53] <Geoff-G8DHE_> https://ukhas.org.uk/_media/general:hohoho-i-schematic2.jpg?w=300&tok=da595f
[10:07] <Darkside> def recommend the Uputronics stuff
[10:07] <Darkside> maybe not the cheapest way, but its definitely one of the easiest
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[10:08] <Darkside> if you have electronics & C-coding experience, then making one yourself would be the cheapest in terms of parts costs
[10:18] <richardeoin> AndyEsser: pong :)
[10:19] <AndyEsser> I believe you have a good chunk of experience using solar cells on your floaters?
[10:21] <richardeoin> yup I've tried a variety of cells
[10:21] <AndyEsser> suggestions for best way to connect wires to them?
[10:21] <AndyEsser> if they don't come with handy wires/terminals already
[10:22] <richardeoin> it depends on the type of cell you're using, but generally you just solder wires on
[10:22] <AndyEsser> ah ok
[10:22] <AndyEsser> tried soldering last night and it went horribly wrong
[10:22] <AndyEsser> but then, it was a cheapo soldering iron
[10:22] <AndyEsser> lead free solder
[10:22] <AndyEsser> and no flux
[10:23] <richardeoin> yeah the crystalline cells can be tricky to solder to
[10:23] <russss> obligatory periodic reminder that this is a good soldering iron. http://www.banggood.com/MINI-TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.html
[10:23] <richardeoin> especailly the back contact
[10:24] <richardeoin> there's plenty of videos on youtube actually, probably the best place to learn
[10:24] <AndyEsser> ok cheers
[10:24] <AndyEsser> I've ordered a better variable temp soldering iron
[10:24] <AndyEsser> also... my god the cells are fragile
[10:24] <AndyEsser> thank god I ordered a pack of 100
[10:24] <AndyEsser> broke 5 of them last night...
[10:25] <richardeoin> russss: that is surprising, but I'll believe you
[10:26] <richardeoin> yup expect to break 10-20% of them until you get good at it
[10:26] <edmoore> bit like having children
[10:26] <AndyEsser> richardeoin: ha, so I've got a few more to break at least :)
[10:26] <AndyEsser> edmoore: is that something you have experience with?
[10:27] <edmoore> no, just done a lit. review
[10:27] <edmoore> russss: is it actually?
[10:27] <edmoore> oh richard asked the same question
[10:28] <edmoore> if so i might grab one as a field iron
[10:28] <edmoore> but i don't think anything else will be good now that i have my jbc
[10:29] <russss> it's the best <£100 iron I've used
[10:29] <edmoore> i would never have a meeting with another iron alone, and definitely not if there was alcohol
[10:29] <russss> and it's exceedingly portable, I don't have space for a soldering station at home
[10:30] <edmoore> does it mind what input voltage it gets?
[10:31] <russss> it's rated for 12-24V
[10:31] <russss> power is a bit low on the lower end of that spectrum though
[10:31] <edmoore> Oh i see, so you have to BYOPSU
[10:31] <russss> yeah
[10:31] <russss> I had a suitable one already
[10:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> I will reccomend this solder, verry easy to work with , low melting point http://www.ebay.com/itm/172180016673?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[10:32] <edmoore> still that's ok (have a fairly substantial field trip to a remote bit of the US happening soon, so am interested in this)
[10:32] <russss> also I have a chunky lithium battery pack (sadly discontinued) which will put out 19V at 2A
[10:32] <AndyEsser> was testing the solar cells last night to see what voltage/current is generated at different distances from a light source - needed a second DMM to measure the current... found one, but no battery
[10:32] <AndyEsser> found a use for my Rigol DSP832 :)
[10:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> dont get how people solder with 63/37, pin in the...
[10:33] <edmoore> we have some eutectic stuff from multicore
[10:33] <edmoore> i like it
[10:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> dont know the mix of the one I linked to but it behaves very different from 63/37
[10:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> and still have a rather good weller with adjustable temp
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[11:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[11:15] <Laurenceb> in my experience flux makes all the difference
[11:15] <Laurenceb> you need the right flux
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[11:15] <Laurenceb> always start with the least aggressive then work your way up
[11:19] <Laurenceb> plumbers merchants sell the really nasty aggressive fluxes for when you want to solder to 304 or something
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[12:13] <Gillman> what gliders do they refer to in the topic?
[12:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC6Tet-Jvew
[12:21] <SA6BSS-Mike> to the most simplets of glider https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/2oyryFNyK7Y
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[12:34] <Gillman> cool
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[13:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 0316 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
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[13:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX6 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX6
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[14:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-1 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[14:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0VJI-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0VJI-11
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[15:04] <Laurenceb> http://mhd.ing.unibo.it/Old_Proceedings/1999_Beijing/Beijing%201999/VOLUME2/Vol2Cap01.pdf
[15:05] <Laurenceb> this is bonkers
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[18:07] <PE2BZ> !track ubseds18
[18:07] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ubseds18
[18:07] <PE2BZ> !track ubseds21
[18:07] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Here you go - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ubseds21
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[22:55] <userscott2> Evening guys
[22:57] <userscott2> Just been experimenting with a "Slim-Jim" antenna - this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152489714367
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[22:58] <userscott2> Getting the following results on my test payload - http://i.imgur.com/8KNOdKe.jpg
[22:58] <userscott2> General thoughts? First time doing this.... :/
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[23:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-11
[23:12] <mfa298> userscott2: you should probably turn the audio levle up going to dl-fldigi - the diamond at the bottom should be green
[23:12] <mfa298> apart from that dl-fldigi doesn't really tell you anything about the quality of an antenna
[23:14] <mfa298> as for hiding the lat/long that doesn't do much - most people here would know where to see your uploaded strings
[23:20] <userscott2> Thanks MFA, I only hid it to send to a group on another chat - I'm already publically broadcasting my ground station on Hab Tracker! :)
[23:20] <userscott2> I shall adjust audio now for the green diamond - thanks for the tip!
[23:21] <userscott2> mfa298: Time for me to ask a daft question. On my dl-fldigi screen, the time/lat/long boxes are empty. Is this correct or have I missed something.
[23:27] <mfa298> I think you need a valid payload doc for those to get filled in, the payload doc will also make your payload appear on the map
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