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[01:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 0310 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[01:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0VJI-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0VJI-11
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[05:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03E23STK-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=E23STK-11
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[06:09] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-14 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-14
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[06:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03E23STM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=E23STM-11
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[07:05] <Vance_UTC> Hi folks - Just wanted a sanity check on my CAA exemption
[07:06] <Vance_UTC> Permission says I cannot release on an Easterly drift - Does this mean anywhere in 180 degrees of east, or a smaller angle?
[07:07] <Vance_UTC> Put it another way - Can I only release when the drift will be in the westerly direction, and not maybe SE?
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[07:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> I´d say anywhere in 180 degrees of east
[07:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> its no go
[07:32] <Upu> moi
[07:32] <Upu> morning
[07:33] <fsphil> morning habland
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[07:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5RZP-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP5RZP-11
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[08:07] <PE2BZ> Good morning ;-)
[08:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03Yohoho after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Yohoho
[08:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JR_upload_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JR_upload_chase
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[08:30] <fsphil> oh yes, spacex launch tonight. with the second hand first stage
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[08:37] <senteking> rpf 2 and aargh in the air ??
[08:37] <senteking> launch hour anyone ?
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[08:42] <PE2BZ> senteking You are aware of the tracker url ? https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=7&qm=1_day&mc=52.70756,1.10603
[08:42] <PE2BZ> That shows the height of HAB ´s and anything below 100 meter you can assume ¨not flying¨
[08:43] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RPF-2 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-2
[08:45] <senteking> thanks pe2bz not flying
[08:46] <PE2BZ> RPF-2 appeared on the map. Means payload is on and locally receiverd
[08:51] <senteking> zal luisteren op 434.250 bedankt groeten
[09:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-1
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[09:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03Aarrgh after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Aarrgh
[09:03] <senteking> rpf-1 in the air now
[09:05] <senteking> 434.4 mc 300 bauds 600 hz shift no par ascii-8 2 stop bits launch aarrgh
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[09:08] <PE2BZ> Any LoRa payloads active ?
[09:10] <G8KNN> yes, lora on 434.3 and 434.45, both mode 1
[09:10] <PE2BZ> tnx
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[09:13] <pb0ahx> !flights
[09:13] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Current flights: 03PURBECK 10(98a8), 03Bewick Bridge - first flight 10(b741)
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[09:19] <pb0ahx> !payloadb741
[09:19] <pb0ahx> !payload b741
[09:19] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03RPF-1 10(b741) 03$$RPF-1 - 03Primary - 03434.4 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[09:19] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03RPF-2 10(b741) 03$$RPF-2 - no transmissions
[09:19] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03Aarrgh 10(b741) 03$$Aarrgh - 03Primary - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[09:19] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx: Payload 03Yohoho 10(b741) 03$$Yohoho - no transmissions
[09:22] <PE2BZ> 434.3
[09:22] <PE2BZ> wrong screen
[09:23] <pb0ahx> i found him
[09:23] <pb0ahx> tnx
[09:24] <pb0ahx> i writing AARRGH on 250
[09:24] <pb0ahx> 252.2
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[09:24] <PE2BZ> Aaarghh ;-)
[09:24] <pb0ahx> yep hihihi
[09:25] <PE2BZ> set 2 lora to RX qrg
[09:26] <pb0ahx> no lora today here my pi is in the rong house hihihihi
[09:26] <PE2BZ> Nothing wrong with my house :-)
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[09:26] <pb0ahx> it is to low
[09:28] <pb0ahx> and nill hearing from sabe on 20 mtr here
[09:28] <pb0ahx> with wspr
[09:30] <PE2BZ> receiving 3 out of 4, not bad
[09:30] <PE2BZ> No Lora on 434.300 atm but ++ on 434.450
[09:30] <pb0ahx> i have 1 receiver here
[09:31] <PE2BZ> Is all on the same HAB ?
[09:31] <PE2BZ> pb0ahx sdrplay ? Websdr ?
[09:32] <pb0ahx> no i must standby for litle baby if i must go
[09:33] <pb0ahx> she is transferd to hospital in denhaag now kinderziekenhuis
[09:33] <PE2BZ> np I understand.
[09:34] <pb0ahx> the ademhaling (breathing ??) stopt 2x this night
[09:35] <pb0ahx> But the signaal from AARRgh is very good here
[09:35] <fsphil> :/
[09:35] <PE2BZ> pb0ahx hope all ends well with your grandchild !
[09:36] <pb0ahx> yep me to
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[09:36] Action: PE2BZ now has proven that CE0 is not working. Changed frequency´s for CE0 and CE1 and now 434.302 comes in with SSDV packets and 434.450 telemetry disappeared.
[09:37] <PE2BZ> Time for coffee....
[09:37] <Laurenceb> !whereis K6RPT-11
[09:37] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03K6RPT-11 was over 03North Atlantic Ocean 10(32.53999,-73.16546) at 0315921 meters about 0310 days ago
[09:38] <Laurenceb> !whereis UBSEDS21
[09:38] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb: 03UBSEDS21 was over 03North Atlantic Ocean 10(32.19201,-72.9141) at 0315653 meters about 032 days ago
[09:39] <pb0ahx> antennes turning now 10 minuts to Funcube here
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[09:46] <PE2BZ> With the second PI now receiving 4 out of 4.
[09:48] <pb0ahx> nice
[09:48] <PE2BZ> Any volunteers for the websdr http://websdr.pe2bz.nl:8075/
[09:50] <PE2BZ> 434.252 for Aarghhh
[09:54] <pb0ahx> i am back
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[09:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC2 after 0321 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC2
[10:04] <PE2BZ> senteking any luck with the reception ?
[10:04] <senteking> ja hoor telemetry de on7ndr
[10:05] <senteking> alleen raar beeld ssdv van aargh , weinig informatie
[10:05] <PE2BZ> Aha.. vroeg me al af welke ontvanger naam er bij zou horen.
[10:05] <PE2BZ> ik denk dat de camera achter het piepschuim zit. Als ik het zo zie.
[10:05] <senteking> ja binnengelogd met een andere alias vandaag..
[10:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC3 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC3
[10:06] <senteking> zie wel beeld maar zit ergens achter
[10:06] <PE2BZ> The camera images are not in optimal quality it seems ?
[10:06] <senteking> yes, it seems only gray picture
[10:07] <PE2BZ> 50 shades ?
[10:07] <PE2BZ> ;-)
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[10:13] <senteking> its a pitty for the gray picture ssdv , received 26 lost 1
[10:15] <PE2BZ> I think I figured out why my Lora reception at my job (27 m antenna height) was never succesfull...
[10:15] <pb0ahx> ow tel
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[10:17] <senteking> ga terug naar rpf-1 ...73 nico
[10:18] <PE2BZ> http://i65.tinypic.com/2rmnyhc.jpg
[10:19] <PE2BZ> try to find a free frequency. You can see Aarrgh but all other frequencies are crowded.
[10:20] <senteking> have in dl-fldigi filter open @ 500 hz , better decoding
[10:20] <M0XIN> LoRa config/freqs for these payloads?
[10:20] <PE2BZ> That´s about my default
[10:21] <PE2BZ> 434.300 and 434.450 both in mode 1
[10:21] <M0XIN> Great, thanks
[10:22] Action: PE2BZ hopes chasecar is convertible to chaseboat
[10:22] <senteking> Lora ?
[10:23] <PE2BZ> Indeed, Yoohoo and rpf-2 do transmit LoRa
[10:24] <PE2BZ> Familiair with that ?
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[10:26] <alecjcook> hey. is anyone here tracking RPF (currently near norwich)
[10:26] <PE2BZ> both rpf 1 and 2
[10:27] <alecjcook> hi
[10:27] <PE2BZ> Hi.
[10:27] <alecjcook> i'm building a baloon myself. i just thought i'd come on here and meet some people
[10:28] <PE2BZ> Familiair with tracker.habhub.org ? That even shows the callsigns of the tracking stations
[10:29] <alecjcook> Its awesome isn't it! I'm just getting used to the site
[10:30] <alecjcook> (I hope he doesn't land it in the sea!)
[10:31] <pb0ahx> i think it is landing on land
[10:32] <PE2BZ> Lunch time seems passed over here. 2 telemetry transmitters (for cranes or something) started on both 434.250 and 434.300 MHz
[10:32] <pb0ahx> AARRgh is burtssssssss
[10:35] <PE2BZ> I think it´s rotating a bit
[10:36] <M0XIN> Hmm... don't seem to be able to pick up RPI1
[10:36] <PE2BZ> rpf-1 is rtty at 434.400
[10:37] <M0XIN> Ah, yes - I meant LoRa on 434.300
[10:37] <pb0ahx> AARRGH Team mni tnx for nce and good flight here i was a good signaal over here
[10:37] <PE2BZ> rpf-2 is 434.302 with afc off ?
[10:38] <PE2BZ> But no RX since burst I guess.
[10:39] <PE2BZ> received 10 mins ago by G8KNN and me. That´s about the time of burst
[10:42] <pb0ahx> i go to lunch now bye bye all
[10:43] <PE2BZ> bye Herman
[10:44] <M0XIN> Getting a couple of successful packets on RPF-2
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[10:45] <alecjcook> are these things usually harder to track once the baloon has burst?
[10:52] <mfa298> things tend to be a bit more turbulent immedietely after burst as the payload is in near free-fall
[10:53] <mfa298> it should get better as it gets lower and more stable, althogh as it gets lower the range also reduces - hence why it's recommended to be chasing so your close to it
[10:53] <mfa298> different modes will cope better as well
[10:59] <senteking> good hunt and intill next
[11:00] <alecjcook> different modes?
[11:01] <alecjcook> and why are people logging off, the thing hasn't landed yet?
[11:01] <senteking> no copy anymore , to low heigth to receive anaymore here in belgium (250 km)
[11:02] <senteking> good luck de on7ndr
[11:03] <PE2BZ> alecjcook by logging of you mean they no longer appear on Habhub tracker ?
[11:03] <senteking> the appear on habhub because local stations give information by dl-fldigi on web
[11:04] <mfa298> alecjcook: for the most part, only people inside the blue circle will be able to receive the balloon, as it gets lower that circle gets smaller
[11:04] <PE2BZ> My RX at this distance for the LoRa signals stops at about 6 km and rtty 300 Baud even at higher altitude, RTTY 50 bd is a bit more easy to receive, I can get those at about 4 km height over 200 km distance.
[11:05] <alecjcook> I am designing an RTTY baloon
[11:05] <mfa298> alecjcook: for different modes, 50bd rtty will likely give longer distances and may cope better at burst but it's relatively slow. faster rtty gives more data (so can also include ssdv) but then range can reduce
[11:05] <alecjcook> 50 baud is ok right? people are happy with that
[11:06] <senteking> i could receive aargh @ 7 km height here , but rpf-1 lost @ 13 km
[11:06] <alecjcook> ok cool, thanks!
[11:06] <mfa298> 50 baud is a good starting point, it used to be the common mode most people used, some have gone for faster rtty and lora as it allows live images/ faster updates
[11:06] <alecjcook> I'm gonna have my antenna built tomorrow so maybe this weekend I can join in with a bit of tracking
[11:06] <PE2BZ> 50 bd is ok, for postition and temp. For SSDV images you need higher baudrate
[11:07] <mfa298> trackign other peoples balloons is always good practice for when you do your own.
[11:08] <mfa298> alecjcook: if there's a launch/landing near you it may be possible to help out with launch and/or chasing - but ask the people launching first.
[11:08] <senteking> good luck building de on7ndr
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[11:09] <alecjcook> what kind of antenna would the tracking car have on it, just like a quarter wave? or do people take yagi's with them?
[11:09] <alecjcook> how do i find out if their is a launch near me? (I'm Chelmsford Essex)
[11:11] <mfa298> a amateur 2/70 magmount can work well on the car. Some people take yagis to help locate after landing.
[11:11] <PE2BZ> I guess they take yagi and portable radio with them because signals at ground level are not that strong and the last position was at 1500 m height, so it could have travelled a bit. On the car it´s 1/4 or 5/8 wave mostly
[11:11] <mfa298> watching the mailing list, the tracker page and here will tell you about most launches
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[11:14] <hyde00001> alecjcook... people often announce on the UKHAS mailing list
[11:14] <hyde00001> But checking the calendar on the habhub map is easiest...
[11:19] <hyde00001> I'm looking for parachute advice - what (if any) is the difference in performance/reliability between the common Rocketman and Spherachute brands?
[11:21] <hyde00001> Looks like the chase car picked up RPF-2 signal. Interesting altitude of -18M. I know Norfolk is low...
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[11:23] <alecjcook> what is th difference between "aarrgh" and "rpf-2"
[11:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VK5EI-11 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5EI-11
[11:26] <PE2BZ> aarrgghhh had a camera and rpf-1 only telemetry position
[11:27] <alecjcook> so the baloon its self had two radios in it?
[11:27] <alecjcook> *Payload, sorry, not baloon
[11:28] <PE2BZ> I assume all 4 ¨radios¨ where on the same payload
[11:29] <hyde00001> I think one balloon with two PITS radio systems (probably in different payload boxes). Each PITS was transmitting both RTTY and LoRa hence four call signs
[11:29] <PE2BZ> But 1 raspberry Pi could transmit at least 1 rtty and 2 lora signals
[11:30] <alecjcook> cool
[11:30] <mfa298> I would suspect the same as hyde00001, 2 Pi's each with rtty + lora
[11:31] <alecjcook> i'm going to use the new 'enhanced' beaglebone, because it had imbuilt pressure and temperature sensors
[11:31] <daveake> That's a lot of aerials ... I'd use separate payloads for that
[11:31] <daveake> iirc someone else used a beaglebone but it blocked the gps signals
[11:32] <PE2BZ> yohoho on ssdv.habhub.org with sunny picture
[11:32] <daveake> that was a while ago
[11:32] <daveake> yohoho has rebooted by the look of it
[11:33] <PE2BZ> Captured by pirates ;-)
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[12:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS21 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS21
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[13:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[15:14] <Vaizki> I'm in SA and these guys have 2 competing LoRa networks and a sigfox network rollout going on.. and LTE narrowband.. makes me feel underserved as a Finnish iot hobbyist!
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[15:28] <mattbrejza> so will LTE narrowband kill lorawan...
[15:29] <mattbrejza> i asked this to a lora alliance sales guy, he said they welcomed hte competition
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[15:35] <russss> if it doesn't then 5G probably will
[15:37] <mattbrejza> id hope LTE narrowband is compatible with 5G narrowband
[15:37] <mattbrejza> but i think theyre still arguing over 5G narrowband
[15:39] <russss> I think it'll ultimately depend on whether carriers decide to roll it out
[15:39] <mattbrejza> yea indeed
[15:40] <russss> but presumably it'll be part of standard 5G basestations
[15:44] <russss> I don't know if the narrowband stuff runs on a different channel or something, but the 5G radio interface is completely different from LTE
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[15:49] <mattbrejza> i know 5G narrowband wont be the s ame as LTE, there are discussions about whether to use turbo, polar or LDPC for it
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[15:49] <mattbrejza> (its currently turbo)
[15:50] <russss> I love that there are like so many names for this. NB-IoT, LTE-NB, LTE-IoT.
[15:50] <mattbrejza> as to whether a 5G narrowband reciever would also recieve LTE narrowband i dont know - i suppose it depends how similar the modulation is and what band they are both on
[15:50] <russss> and it seems 3GPP are now calling LTE "4G LTE" despite the fact that it was originally 3G LTE
[15:51] <mattbrejza> 5G is called 'NR' (new radio)
[15:51] <mattbrejza> for now anyway
[15:51] <russss> I think that might only be the air interface part of the 5G spec? no idea
[15:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-14 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-14
[15:52] <mattbrejza> well the whole thing might not be called NR, but it is a bit more than just the air interface
[15:53] <russss> my money's on a carrier rolling out gigabit LTE in the next couple of years and calling it 5G
[15:53] <russss> then approximately 10 years later, 3GPP will finally cave and rename 5G to 6G
[15:54] <russss> this is why we can't have nice things.
[15:54] <mattbrejza> well LTE-A can do 1Gbps, i think that exists in s.korea? then there is LTE-A-pro that is due to come before 5G
[15:54] <mattbrejza> but the koreans want to have 5G at the 2020 olympics, so hopefully wont take that long
[15:55] <mattbrejza> how long it will be before we get 5G handsets i dont know. perhaps the machine-2-machine applications will take off first if everyone is happy with LTE(-A)(-pro)
[15:55] <mattbrejza> *2020 olympics in japan
[15:56] <russss> oh I'm sure they'll have 5G but it might not be what we're currently calling 5G
[15:56] <russss> because marketing
[15:56] <mattbrejza> LTE wasnt supposed to be '4G', so we'll see
[15:57] <Vaizki> they even made WCDMA-DC = 4G
[15:58] <Vaizki> which I think was REALLY pushing it
[16:00] <mattbrejza> hopefulyl the whole world will agree on only one 5G standard this time round...
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[16:06] <russss> also, the 5G air interface is nuts
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[16:06] <mattbrejza> which is why perhaps m2m will be the first rollout
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[17:17] <alecjcook> where do people check the weather before launching there HABs. I really dont want mine to end up in the channel, and a lot of them today are getting very close!
[17:18] <adamgreig> one predictor is http://predict.habhub.org
[17:18] <adamgreig> good for getting a general idea of whether your balloon is likely to have a wet landing or not
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> It gets progressively more accurate
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> as time gets closr
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[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC2UEZ-TEST_001 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC2UEZ-TEST_001
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[18:15] <kc2uez> my home made gateway and tracker kind of work, need to iron out a few details.. but it is being shown! yay
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[18:36] <Laurenceb> http://www.zero2infinity.space/bloon/
[18:36] <Laurenceb> herp derp
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[21:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[21:44] <SnkMtn> Where would I find my raw telemetry? I'm test sending right now and it is not showing up. Thanks.
[21:45] <mfa298> are you receivign and decoding your telemetry locally (presumably in dl-fldigi) ?
[21:46] <SnkMtn> Yes. $$$$KC1ENN,13828,21:45:38, 44.0461, -73.4192,0163,0000,9*1C82
[21:47] <mfa298> have you created a matching payload doc
[21:47] <mfa298> also it might not like the spaces in the middle of the string
[21:47] <SnkMtn> Ahhhhhhh.....may be not.
[21:47] <mfa298> you may also find http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/ useful in debugging
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[21:48] <SnkMtn> I do have five payload cocuments just no flight plan. This is the fifth.
[21:48] <mfa298> looks like your crc is also wrong
[21:48] <mfa298> [2017-03-30 21:48:08,551] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Exception in UKHAS main parse: ValueError: Invalid CRC16-CCITT checksum.
[21:49] <mfa298> you don't need the flightdoc until you're ready to fly,
[21:50] <mfa298> the payload doc tells the parser how to decode the data, the flight doc puts stuff on the upcoming flgihts list on the tracker and ical feed and helps groups the telemetry together for export.
[21:50] <SnkMtn> I see the light. Thanks.
[21:50] <SnkMtn> Now to debug...
[21:51] <SnkMtn> Thanks much. Later..... :)
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[22:25] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsZSXav4wI8 - falcon 9 launch in ~2 minutes. With luck, landing in ~7. Reused stage.
[22:28] <SpeedEvil> Clean liftoff and through transsonic.
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[23:29] <Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34057.0;attach=1415640;image
[23:29] <Laurenceb_> using aero lift, v smart
[23:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-11 after 033 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-11
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