highaltitude.log.20170324

[00:02] <Augustin> Yes, but I don't know how it's work....
[00:02] <Augustin> Maybe you can tell me ? :-)
[00:03] <Augustin> I'm new in this, so your talent is really a good thing for me ;-)
[00:16] <mfa298> Augustin: have a read of the wiki wiki.ukhas.org.uk
[00:16] <Augustin> Thank you mfa ! :-)
[00:17] <Augustin> I have open it and see "Welcome to the UK High Altitude Society" => I don't live in the UK.... Is it a problem ?
[00:17] <Augustin> Or does it work too in Belgium
[00:18] <mfa298> also also http://www.daveakerman.com/
[00:19] <mfa298> a lot of stuff will be similar, there's guides on using n arduino to parse gps and send rtty data which is the start of a basic tracker
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[07:07] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-12 after 0316 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-12
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[08:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 033Z5PW-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=3Z5PW-11
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[09:29] <sblair1290> I now have a payload and would like to test my payload and get it on a map. Is that possible?
[09:32] <sblair1290> Should have said I have a 'payload document'...oops
[09:33] <craag> sblair1290: If you upload, it should appear :)
[09:33] <craag> If it doesn't, check for errors on: http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[09:36] <pb0ahx-> !flights
[09:36] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx-: There are no flights currently :(
[09:39] <sblair1290> so I saved the document. Sorry for my ignorance is that the same as uploading!
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[09:51] <AndyEsser> sblair1290: turn the payload on, receive the signal and decode with fldigi so it appears on the map
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[09:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5FRM-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5FRM-4
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[10:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03wandile_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=wandile_chase
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[10:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5KMP-8 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5KMP-8
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[11:19] <sblair1290> hi, I am in the proess of configuring dl-fldigi an have inputed my location and selected online mode. However, I a unable to see a list of payloads and the live message pane appears to be reporting an error connecting to the server. Could this be firewall issue (I'm on a school network)
[11:19] <craag> What is the error?
[11:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VK5EI-11 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK5EI-11
[11:42] <sblair1290> cURL error - error connecting to server
[11:50] <craag> could be firewall... I think it has a problem with http proxies
[11:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RPF-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RPF-2
[11:51] <craag> hotspotting through your phone briefly if you can might be a good plan
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[11:53] <sblair1290> My phone is crap! I will ask IT to investigate the error and see what they come up with.
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MARS-4 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MARS-4
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BARC4 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC4
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[12:10] <UTCO> Hi, is anyone familar with the pits LORA board?
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[12:14] <Darkside> Upu: and daveake would be
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[12:15] <fsphil> hehe
[12:15] <UTCO> Hi, is anyone familar with the pits LoRa Board?
[12:17] <daveake> Upu and daveake would be
[12:18] <UTCO> Thanks, I'm having trouble receving LoRa. I'm having no truble with RTTY.
[12:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
[12:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BARC1 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BARC1
[12:26] <daveake> Match frequency and mode between tracker and receiver. If still not working try going up/down in frequency a few kHz, in 2kHz steps
[12:27] <UTCO> Thanks. I will try that.
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[12:49] <Vaizki> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2kR7KKUoAEpj8E.jpg
[12:49] <Vaizki> boeing should do HABs and not planes
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/shuttle.html
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[13:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 0312CHALL - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=12CHALL
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[13:12] <PE2BZ> !flights
[13:12] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03Dixon194 10(f11a), 03Dixon195 10(087c), 03Barc196 10(287a)
[13:25] <pb0ahx-> !payload 12CHALL
[13:25] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx-: Payload 0312CHALL 10(287a) 03$$12CHALL - 03PITS Test - 03434.75 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/600Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[13:29] <pb0ahx-> !dial 12CHALL
[13:29] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx-: Latest dials for 0312CHALL 10(287a): 03434.7498 MHz, 434.75037 MHz, 3.58 MHz
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[13:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0314 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[13:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JR_upload_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JR_upload_chase
[14:00] <Augustin> Mmmh...
[14:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03UTCO_LORA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UTCO_LORA
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[14:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD0VJI-11 after 0318 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0VJI-11
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[14:55] <Tusto> Hi, I've been looking at this module https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=61&product_id=60 and was wondering about it use in high altitude ballooning in the UK
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[14:55] <AndyEsser> What's your question?
[14:55] <Ian_> Go for it, it's a staple bit of HAB kit
[14:59] <Tusto> Thanks Ian_, that's sort of what I was wondering! Haha
[15:00] <Tusto> I was also wondering about this line in the product description: Please advise on frequency required or a random one will be shipped out.
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[15:00] <Tusto> Does the frequency matter too much or not?
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[15:01] <AndyEsser> if you're going to launch a balloon with mulitple payloads on, or you have some local interference on a particular frequency for example then it matters
[15:01] <AndyEsser> if not, you can just get a random one
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[15:04] <Tusto> No not really, the only thing transmitting will be that module
[15:05] <Tusto> We'll have sensors and stuff on, but the only thing transmitting will be that. We'll have a GSM module, but that's obviously only after it lands
[15:10] <AndyEsser> what about local interference?
[15:10] <AndyEsser> bear in mind this is an ISM band open to all users
[15:10] <AndyEsser> so things like Smart Meters, PIR sensors, etc can cause interference in this band
[15:11] <AndyEsser> but for the most part, just go with random
[15:13] <mfa298> for landing (probably being the most important part) you're hopefully well away from too many smartmeters and all the other things creating interference
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[15:14] <AndyEsser> mfa298: fully agreed (hence the - for the most part just go with random)
[15:14] <AndyEsser> but it'd be unfortunate not to be able to test RXing your payload before you launch because a local smart mter interfered
[15:16] <edmoore> you wouldn't launch with untested Rx
[15:16] <Tusto> Yeah very true!! Thanks for the advice guys! Didn't realise that smart meters would interfere, but I would definitely hope I wouldn't be near one haha. And for sure ed, definitely testing first!
[15:17] <edmoore> they probably won't interfere
[15:17] <edmoore> i don't know where that came from
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[15:20] <AndyEsser> it was merely an example of why you might have some local interference
[15:21] <edmoore> have you found that when flying your payload
[15:21] <edmoore> (he asked, pointedly)
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[15:22] <AndyEsser> no, but I had large amounts of interference on at least one of the 'standard' frequencies hab's use at my last house
[15:22] <AndyEsser> so had I tried to launch a pico from my garden, I'd have been unable to RX it
[15:22] <AndyEsser> so forgive me for trying to assist
[15:24] <Laurenceb> hi edmoore, I found something you might enjoy reading http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/b121965.pdf
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: unknown host
[15:27] <Laurenceb> what on earth
[15:28] <Laurenceb> loads for me
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[15:28] <Laurenceb> can you access dtic.mil ?
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> no
[15:29] <AndyEsser> for additional debug info - it loads for me (albeit mind numbingly slowly)
[15:30] <Laurenceb> interesting
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[15:31] <Laurenceb> I'm connecting via a uni network
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[15:32] <SpeedEvil> I get not a domain
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> ^server fail
[15:33] <Laurenceb> blocked by isp?
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> Not utterly impossible.
[15:36] <craag> dns failed on bt home here
[15:36] <edmoore> Laurenceb: i'm looking at it
[15:36] <SpeedEvil> plusnet
[15:36] <craag> also google dns fails
[15:37] <Laurenceb> til: mortals are b& from dtic.mil
[15:37] <mattbrejza> Laurenceb: fine on uni network here
[15:37] <Laurenceb> heh
[15:37] <Laurenceb> we should ask to host a forum on dtic.mil
[15:37] <Laurenceb> reverse eternal September
[15:39] <edmoore> Laurenceb: i'm not sure i'd enjoy reading it that much
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[15:41] <edmoore> it looks like an interesting overview of the state of things 20 years ago
[15:41] <Laurenceb> yeah I know next to 0 about this stuff
[15:41] <edmoore> 'the fouling problem' on the air-liquefaction section is obviously not at the state of the art anymore
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[15:41] <Laurenceb> the RENE thing was interesting, I still dont really see how it works
[15:42] <Laurenceb> uses the excess thermal energy in the exhaust?
[15:42] <Laurenceb> - getting ~20% extra thrust just by ingesting air into overexpanded nozzle
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[15:45] <edmoore> i am familiar with that family of techniques
[15:46] <edmoore> you can also do similar things to create a lower base pressure in the nozzle to simulate high altitude testing
[15:46] <Laurenceb> yeah
[15:47] <Laurenceb> I was surprised it can be used to increase effective isp
[15:47] <Laurenceb> I guess if the air thats sucked in is heated significantly before being expelled from the secondary nozzle it makes sense
[15:47] <edmoore> that's exactly the case
[15:48] <edmoore> like a ramjet
[15:48] <Laurenceb> neat
[15:48] <edmoore> i did read about a nuclear engined cruise missile
[15:48] <edmoore> that would fly around at mach3 for several months
[15:48] <Ian_> Hello AndyEsser, I was away enjoying a Cornish pastie and a cup of tea . . .The NTX2B superseded the NTX2 offering better frequency stability. The NTX2B-FA is Frequency adjustable and so the limited selection of stock frequencies is effectively a thing of the past. Upu, take a bow for this. Introduced two or three years ago(?)
[15:48] <Laurenceb> hah yeah project PLUTO iirc
[15:49] <AndyEsser> Ian_: I am aware of this
[15:49] Action: Laurenceb has been playing with "Rocket Propulsion Analysis", it gives <1% error in isp when I simulate a Klima motor
[15:49] <Laurenceb> I'm not sure if its a fluke or it really is this good
[15:49] <edmoore> that's the one
[15:50] <edmoore> what a terrifying weapon
[15:50] <Ian_> OK, but it wasn't mentioned to Tusto and I'm not into mind reading at the moment . . . working on it :)
[15:50] <Ian_> Nice office pics the other day by the way.
[15:51] <edmoore> i've not seen that before Laurenceb
[15:51] <edmoore> that's impressive if it can do all that it claims
[15:51] <Laurenceb> www.propulsion-analysis.com/
[15:51] <edmoore> cycle optimisation etc
[15:51] <Laurenceb> yeah
[15:51] <Laurenceb> anyway it suggests some quite significant performance improvements be reboring the nozzle and launching at 38km
[15:52] <Laurenceb> *by
[15:52] <Laurenceb> enough to launch a Klima D motor to 200km O_o
[15:52] <edmoore> to increase the area ratio?
[15:52] <Laurenceb> yeah
[15:53] <Laurenceb> I'm planning to do another test with my vane spin design, but redesigned igniter attachment
[15:54] <Laurenceb> but then swap to a two part nozzle extension with internal vanes for the flight version
[15:54] <Laurenceb> two part so it can snap off at the right rpm
[15:55] <Laurenceb> I used some CV trickery to extract position+orientation from test launch and it gives very good match to model once I add in the weird flow separation effect
[15:56] <Laurenceb> feeling extremely confident in this basic design now :D
[15:59] <edmoore> cool
[15:59] <edmoore> so you're taking this approach over pre-spin
[16:01] <Laurenceb> yeah I feel stupid now
[16:01] <Laurenceb> should just have looked at what the mil stuff did
[16:02] <Laurenceb> theres far, far more to this than just "they did it ages ago when electric motors were less practical"
[16:03] <Laurenceb> if it "spins itself" all the precession and spin mechanism separation issues more or less go out of the window
[16:04] <edmoore> well lit-reviews are useful i guess
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> 'six months in the lab can save three hours in the library'
[16:10] Action: Laurenceb wonders if there would be any customers for ~2grams to ~200km "sounding rocket"
[16:13] <edmoore> probably
[16:13] <edmoore> if it was cheap
[16:19] <Laurenceb> £4 seems cheap :P
[16:19] <Laurenceb> excluding the balloon of course
[16:20] <Laurenceb> guess an E field mill and Langmuir probe might fit
[16:26] <edmoore> ?
[16:26] <edmoore> £4?
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[16:28] <SpeedEvil> price of the solid
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[16:28] <edmoore> oh
[16:29] <edmoore> i was talking about the price of launching something on such a sounding rocket
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[20:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2KPZ_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2KPZ_chase
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[22:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ5AM-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SQ5AM-11
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[23:27] <Majdo_> Hi all anybody here?
[23:32] <daveake> Always
[23:34] <Darkside> always and always
[23:34] <daveake> forever and ever
[23:34] <Darkside> until the end
[23:45] <daveake> which may come before or after the actual question
[23:48] <fsphil> don't believe them, they're all robots
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[23:49] <daveake> Have you always believed that others are robots?
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