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[04:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03??????_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F_chase
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[05:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9ONO-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9ONO-9_chase
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[08:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-71 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-71
[08:42] <fsphil> ah cool, PS are up to 71 flights
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[08:57] <pb0ahx-> !flights
[08:57] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx-: Current flights: 03EPSOM (LODGE) 10(799f), 03MTA STEM club launch 10(ee72), 03SSR-SN 10(f84f)
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[09:05] <abs_> are the owners of SSR-SN here?
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[09:15] <pb0ahx-> GM all
[09:15] <fsphil> morn
[09:17] <pb0ahx-> it is a good balloning day here nice weather
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[09:40] <m0igm> Anyone know if the Cambridge project has just taken off?
[09:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> no word of it in here anyway and M0NCG who configuerd the flightdoc have not been seen
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[10:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flights
[10:11] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Current flights: 03EPSOM (LODGE) 10(799f), 03MTA STEM club launch 10(ee72), 03SSR-SN 10(f84f)
[10:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flight ssr-sn
[10:11] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Flight 10(f84f): 03SSR-SN 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 09:30 from 03Cambridgeshire, UK 10(52.2511,-0.0927)
[10:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flight ee72
[10:12] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Flight 10(ee72): 03MTA STEM club launch 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 11:00 from 03Essex, UK 10(51.7,0.6)
[10:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flight 799f
[10:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Flight 10(799f): 03EPSOM (LODGE) 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 15:30 from 03Surrey, UK 10(51.36,-0.36)
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[10:21] <hyde00001> anyone know who UTCO_LORA are? The habitat logtail is full of can't parse errors for them...They need to get (i) GPS FIX and (ii) a payload document...
[10:28] <daveake> Looks likes a pits with second ds18b20 ... Upu do you recognise "UTCO" ?
[10:28] <Upu> nope
[10:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MTA - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MTA
[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> !payload ee72
[10:41] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Payload 03MTA STEM club 10(ee72) 03$$MTA - 03MTA - 03434.25 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/350Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[10:45] Nick change: UTC -> UTCO
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=2e4d0af6f54a1c6941ec6e27badde2044e204704
[10:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha the Owner of UTCO_LORA ?
[10:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> You don't appear to have a Payload document yet...
[10:46] <UTCO> Hello our payload is part of our pits project. We are just testing. Intergrating other sensors. Payload messages not fixed yet hense no fight document.
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> You need the Payload document first so that it can understand the format rather than a Flight Doc
[10:47] <daveake> You'll just need a payload doc and not yet a flight doc
[10:47] <daveake> snap
[10:47] <UTCO> Thats fine it is beeing worked on... Thanks
[10:47] <daveake> OK, best to turn off the uploads for now
[10:48] <daveake> i.e. gateway.txt "habitat=n"
[10:48] <Rebus82> or don't upload
[10:48] <Rebus82> snap
[10:48] <daveake> Otherwise the logtail gets filled with your tests, and that can get in the way of real flights (and there are some today)
[10:48] <UTCO> Thanks Just have done it.
[10:49] <daveake> ta
[10:50] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE: What was that a prediction for ?
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[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> MTA
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> the one just aoppeared on the map
[10:51] <daveake> I think you missed :)
[10:52] <daveake> Launch site is Witham, NE of Chelmsford
[10:53] <daveake> It appears to fall foul of the notam restriction "ACTIVITY WILL ONLY TAKE PLACE IF A NORTHEASTERLY DRIFT IS FORECAST. "
[10:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah got decimal points in it!
[10:53] <daveake> :)
[10:53] <daveake> I just clicked on the map :)
[10:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=ba92888f004c5cfd66a84566ffea055bb5d85e59
[10:55] <daveake> appears to be up
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> and following the predictiuon as well now ;-)
[10:56] <daveake> yup
[10:56] <gonzo_> ahg, more 300db flights. Just can't quiet get the SNR with my crappy backup LNA
[10:56] <gonzo_> interesting path though
[10:56] <gonzo_> -ve ish time too!
[10:57] <fsphil> ooh 300 baud images. it's been a while :)
[10:57] <fsphil> and will take a while to get through this image of grass
[10:57] <daveake> heh they're sooo slow :)
[10:57] <daveake> I should get it to cancel last image on launch
[10:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LODGE - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LODGE
[11:01] <Darkside> fsphil: way too slow :-)
[11:02] <daveake> heh
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Should just miss the edge of London Airspace .....
[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2017_Flights/MTA-STEM_20170322/MTA_201703221103.jpg
[11:04] <Darkside> im actually having to upgrade the modem in my car because i'm regularly maxing out the upstream
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[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is a weird number of NOTAM's all around London with a limited height set like the one for LODGE ??
[11:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0312 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
[11:19] <Rebus82> has the MTA astronaut fallen off?
[11:19] <MTA> Yes
[11:20] <Rebus82> sorry to hear that :-(
[11:20] <MTA> Fell off at launch
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hope he had his own parachute on ?
[11:20] <fsphil> poor fella
[11:22] <Rebus82> the purists on here will appreciate the pictures sans toys ;-)
[11:23] <MTA> Yea
[11:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G8KHW_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G8KHW_chase
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[11:39] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> Hi folks, I noticed that we are spamming Habitat a bit, and just wanted to say sorry.
[11:40] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> The students I am mentoring are planning to run a few science experiments during our flight. We are trying to integrate other sensors into the payload, so as yet we don't have the full sentence to be able to create a payload message format.
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its not a problem, people tend to watch what is going on to offer help is all
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> and given there are meant to be three flights today its quite busy
[11:42] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> We have added an additional temperature sensor to the RTTY radio board, but are also looking to fly the "Sense hat" to collect barometric pressure and if all goes well a UV sensor
[11:43] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> OK, do you want us to cease upload to habitat for today?
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think you turned it off in the config earlier didn't you ?
[11:44] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> We should have stopped for the moment, but one of the students is keen to work on our kit as we could potentially fly at the end of next week
[11:44] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> I don't think we turned it off in the config, just shut down the LORA receiver...
[11:45] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> If we bring it up again today I will stop them from connecting to the network, so not uploads.
[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> [10:48] <daveake> i.e. gateway.txt "habitat=n"
[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> just change the config file as daveake pointed out earlier
[11:46] <daveake> Actually EnableHabitat=N :/
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> that way you can see what's going on but not send it up
[11:46] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> FYI, we have asked the CAA for a launch window 29 March - 12 April, one flight with expected launch 10:00-12:00.
[11:46] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> Not yet received permission, but chased today and was told we would get it, but should be issued tomorrow
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sounds good
[11:48] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> OK, thanks folks. I am going to let the students talk to the community over this channel, but I may not be able to monitor all the time. If you have any concerns please email me: vbriggs@utcoxfordshire.org.uk
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[11:50] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> BTW, students are 14-18, and pretty responsible, so I don't expect any issues, but again forewarned is forearmed
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm just spotted a NOTAM for Mile Oak near Brighton for today as well ... nothing heard
[11:52] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> Is there a way of viewing the history of this IRC channel through the web client?
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh no tomorrow 11:00
[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> There are logs on Habitat http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
[11:53] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> Thanks. Vance
[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> you can search or peruse as you like
[11:55] <MTA> The MTA weather balloon is going well!
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nicely to prediction http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2017_Flights/MTA-STEM_20170322/index.php?ind=3
[11:57] <pb0ahx-> MTA, wat is expekt burst ??
[11:59] <MTA> Yea it is, And I think it is meant to burst near ipswich
[12:00] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> Geoff, do you have an image of restricted airspace around 51.60 -1.27, which is our approximate launch site. Just looked at your jpg image for today's flight which also shows the airspace. Without having the CAA approval yet, I am keen to understand where we could and can't go...
[12:02] <daveake> MTA: I'm wondering - did the CAA give you some leeway regarding the balloon's launch direction? To be within the NOTAM as published it had to be between North and East - "ACTIVITY WILL ONLY TAKE PLACE IF A NORTHEASTERLY DRIFT IS FORECAST." but it was (slightly) west of due north. If the CAA are happy with that then this is a good thing as it means that
[12:02] <daveake> other launches with restrictions could go ahead even if they are slightly outside what is specified on the NOTAM.
[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yuo can use Google Earth and this KML file to peruse https://ukhas.org.uk/using_google_earth
[12:04] <hyde00001> UTCO_Teacher, I'm in Oxford (Headington) just north of you. CAA restricted me to launches with NE drift. They didn't seem too bothered about times although I've only ever asked for weekends
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> and the files are here http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/Google_Earth_Tools/
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[12:14] <pb0ahx-> MTA Poefffff
[12:17] <PE2BZ> pb0ahx- did you hit it with your antenna ?
[12:17] <pb0ahx-> yep
[12:17] <pb0ahx-> 2x\
[12:17] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> OK, I have the restricted areas on GE. Can you confirm that that restriction stops at the height indicated, so as long as we are predicted to be above the restricted area we could traverse it?
[12:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Those are the volumes that are restricted indeed, just what the CAA take into account can't be certain, remebering that its only a prediction!
[12:18] <PE2BZ> !flights
[12:18] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Current flights: 03EPSOM (LODGE) 10(799f), 03MTA STEM club launch 10(ee72), 03SSR-SN 10(f84f)
[12:18] <UTCO_Teacher_Van> Sure, thanks we will see that comes back on the CAA permssion
[12:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HB9FDK-11 after 038 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FDK-11
[12:34] <pb0ahx-> Team MTA mni tnx for flight was a nice one for me tnx
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[12:53] <mta> Has MTA balloon landed we have lost tracking?
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[13:01] <pb0ahx-> yep
[13:03] <SA6BSS-Mike> mta landed realy close to the railroad track, hopefully not on it
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[13:05] <hyde00001> MTA looks close junction of A11 and A1075
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[14:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AD6AM-2 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AD6AM-2
[14:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0VJI-11 - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0VJI-11
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[14:06] <RocketBoy> humm - unless Im wrong I notice that there is no NOTAM in place for either the MTA flight earlier or EPSOM lodge flight later
[14:07] <RocketBoy> they are not showing up on NOTAM infor or the CAA NOTAM site
[14:07] <daveake> Yeah the MTA one had a notam
[14:07] <RocketBoy> its not on NOTAM info
[14:07] <RocketBoy> has it gone?
[14:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Think its beyond the time now
[14:07] <RocketBoy> after its time perhaps?
[14:08] <daveake> It was .. . they disappear once out of time
[14:08] <daveake> It was 10am - 12:00
[14:08] <RocketBoy> ah ok
[14:08] <daveake> That said, they didn't follow the direction rule
[14:08] <RocketBoy> that quick
[14:08] <RocketBoy> really
[14:08] <daveake> Was a few degrees west of north; rule was north-east
[14:08] <RocketBoy> what was it?
[14:09] <daveake> "ACTIVITY WILL ONLY TAKE PLACE IF A NORTHEASTERLY DRIFT IS FORECAST."
[14:09] <RocketBoy> I wonder what the local issue is
[14:09] <daveake> You can see the actual path on the map ofc
[14:09] <daveake> Stanstead I suspect
[14:09] <RocketBoy> yeah
[14:10] <RocketBoy> but pretty much as the prediction though
[14:10] <daveake> yup
[14:11] <daveake> I asked if the CAA were happy with it being (slightly) outside the specified direction, but he quit
[14:11] <daveake> (asked MTA)
[14:12] <RocketBoy> ha - well its difficult to lanch down there - there must only be a small window of directions
[14:12] <RocketBoy> I did offer for them to come and launch from elsworth if they wanted
[14:13] <Ian_> I wouldn't expect a compromising reply. Maybe the quit was "no comment", safest option in the circs.
[14:13] <RocketBoy> missing the sea, london and stanstead must be difficult
[14:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2017_Flights/MTA-STEM_20170322/MTA-threaded_air-space.jpg
[14:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You can understand why they wanted NE!
[14:18] <daveake> True Ian_, though I did ping privately first but no response
[14:19] <RocketBoy> Im surprised the Epsom Loge flight isnt up against the same issues
[14:19] <RocketBoy> lodge
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[14:21] <Ian_> \msg daveake 5th amendment job. If non-compliance (re-interpretation of the instructions) begins to get regular than it will start to make difficulties with the CAA relationship generally.
[14:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Their actually inside the London Airspace!
[14:21] <Ian_> oops \ / error
[14:22] <daveake> Well I wanted to know if the CAA had said "a few degrees west is fine"
[14:22] <garymortimer> That balloon might even be at approach alt if it heads to the north
[14:22] <daveake> Epson is a pico isn't it ?
[14:22] <daveake> +m-n
[14:22] <garymortimer> Oh ok
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2017_Flights/Capture.JPG
[14:23] <daveake> Dunno, just thought it was
[14:24] <aadamson> richardeoin, which balloon is running ad6am-2?
[14:26] <aadamson> ah that's ubseds22
[14:26] <aadamson> it's in california :)
[14:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/hab/flight/2017/03/13/ubseds22.html
[14:28] <aadamson> yeah, thanks Geoff-G8DHE-M, it's confusing the callsign changes, I thought they'd just us a tactical and put the ham call in the comment field to make the power that be happy
[14:28] <richardeoin> hey, yup that's ubseds22
[14:29] <richardeoin> the primary batteries on the iridium tracker are flat, but the secondary tracker is still there
[14:29] <mta> hello
[14:29] <aadamson> no solar on the IR?
[14:29] <richardeoin> aadamson: Hmm what's a tactical?
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[14:29] <richardeoin> aadamson: yes, IR is 3x Energiser AAA only
[14:29] <aadamson> ah... so it's how I do hirf-6, -3, etc... that actual call sign can be anything on aprs (well there probably is a limitation due to digis)
[14:30] <aadamson> and then just put the real call in the comments. they call that a tactical call when you do that
[14:30] <aadamson> tactical = non ham call as the from, and real call in the comments
[14:31] <richardeoin> ah see - I'd never heard of that
[14:31] <aadamson> was trying to find you an example... give me a sec
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[14:31] <richardeoin> makes sense from an amatuer radio point of view, my understanding is you just have to give your callsign somewhere
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> mta did you find it ?
[14:32] <aadamson> correct, it only needs to get in the *sent info* once every 10 mins
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[14:32] <aadamson> e.g. you could totally send as ubseds-22, and put the ham call (doesn't have to be a us one) in the comments
[14:33] <aadamson> one thought there however
[14:33] <aadamson> the -22 may mess up some digis, the old ones don't support > 15
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[14:33] <aadamson> so you might want to consider that, but it would have worked for ubseds-<up to 15>
[14:33] <KF5WYX> Hello all
[14:34] <aadamson> btw, a -0 is valid, but it will just become the call with no ssid
[14:34] <richardeoin> I'm now using aprs -n for ubseds2n
[14:34] <richardeoin> so ubseds24 will be -4 for instance
[14:35] <richardeoin> I knew there was some limit on aprs numbers
[14:35] <richardeoin> hello KF5WYX
[14:35] <KF5WYX> daveake, jonsowman, fsphil any of you monitoring?
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[14:35] <KF5WYX> richardeoin :-)
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[14:37] <jonsowman> hello KF5WYX
[14:37] Action: fsphil is at work, giving the impression of doing work
[14:37] <daveake> ^ snap
[14:37] <KF5WYX> All three of you :)
[14:37] <AndyEsser> I'm at work.... reading a 40 page document about how the various client invoicing models work
[14:37] <AndyEsser> wish I was just giving an impression of doing work
[14:38] <garymortimer> That balloon is heading into a target rich pub environment that I know very well. Why is always the schools ones that do that?
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[14:42] <KF5WYX> etchy at this point. The other is trying to form an alliance to find alternate solutions for collecting climate change data since the recent US de-funding of programmes. Since I'm not frequently as active in the community as I'd wish, I thought it would be a better idea to forward their contact to more active members such as yourselves. So I'm goi
[14:42] <KF5WYX> ng to share contact info in a moment for you to contact, or not, or forward as you see fit :-)
[14:43] <KF5WYX> tchy at this point. The other is trying to form an alliance to find alternate solutions for collecting climate change data since the recent US de-funding of programmes. Since I'm not frequently as active in the community as I'd wish, I thought it would be a better idea to forward their contact to more active members such as yourselves. So I'm goin
[14:43] <KF5WYX> g to share contact info in a moment for you to contact, or not, or forward as you see fit :-)
[14:43] <KF5WYX> sketchy at this point. The other is trying to form an alliance to find alternate solutions for collecting climate change data since the recent US de-funding of programmes. Since I'm not frequently as active in the community as I'd wish, I thought it would be a better idea to forward their contact to more active members such as yourselves. So I'm g
[14:43] <KF5WYX> oing to share contact info in a moment for you to contact, or not, or forward as you see fit :-)
[14:46] <KF5WYX> Okay, I hope you three got all that copy :-)
[14:47] <daveake> I think everyone got at least some of it :p
[14:47] <daveake> But yes
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[14:48] <KF5WYX> I didn't want to hastle the whole channel
[14:48] <KF5WYX> ugh I posted publically :-/
[14:50] <AndyEsser> indeed :)
[14:50] <AndyEsser> Reports of shots fired at the Houses of Parliament :(
[14:50] <KF5WYX> :-(
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[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Oh perhaps they can keep it in lckdown for a few years ?
[14:51] <KF5WYX> AndyEsser where are you getting those reports?
[14:51] <daveake> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39355940?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
[14:51] <daveake> outside
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[14:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UBSEDS22 after 037 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=UBSEDS22
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[14:59] <MikeUoN> :]
[14:59] <garymortimer> Time for me to start making supper, i shall pop back to hear news of Parliament and balloons
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[16:57] <KF5WYX> bbl
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[17:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9ONO-9_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9ONO-9_chase
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[19:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KK6PNN-5 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6PNN-5
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[19:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[22:51] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LODGE after 037 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LODGE
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