highaltitude.log.20170321

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[01:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 036 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
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[03:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FG 99 VS GP_chase - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FG%2099%20VS%20GP_chase
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[05:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03S-22 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=S-22
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[09:24] <abullock> hi all, just wanted to ask a daft question... I have a flight approved for tomorrow at 11 am, however although the prevailing wind is good it is due to rain around that time, so if I launch a little earlier to avoid the weather will that effect the tracking? even the it is within my launch window?
[09:25] <AndyEsser> unlikely - maybe send an email to the mailing list
[09:25] <AndyEsser> as long as it's within your launch window, and within the constraints of your NOTAM it shoudl be fine
[09:25] <abullock> great, thank you.
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[09:57] <gonzo_> mention in here when you plan to launch, to get as many listerners online
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[10:06] <PE2BZ> !flights
[10:06] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: There are no flights currently :(
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[11:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
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[11:48] <pb0ahx-> !flights
[11:48] <SpacenearUS> 03pb0ahx-: There are no flights currently :(
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[13:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BSS3 after 038 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSS3
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[15:49] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-3 after 034 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-3
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[16:10] <Andy_B> i want to order a NTX2B for my HAB project. Any advice?
[16:12] <fsphil> firefox or chrome your way to https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=61&product_id=60
[16:15] <Andy_B> do i buy the EU (434.???) or UK (458.???) freq. version?
[16:15] <AndyEsser> are you in the UK?
[16:17] <Andy_B> In UK... do both work with HABHUB tracker?
[16:18] <fsphil> it sounds like you've not done much of this before
[16:18] <fsphil> I suggest sticking to the 434 mhz model
[16:18] <Ian_> Advice to visit the IRC channel also translates to: Be sure to speak to Upu before ordering!
[16:18] <Ian_> The reason being clearer after having spoken to him . . .
[16:19] <Ian_> ping Upu ^^^
[16:19] <Andy_B> i havent... first time bild....ive got a HAB payload built and ready to go...
[16:19] <fsphil> but no radio tracker?
[16:19] <Ian_> No, but ready to go :)
[16:20] <Andy_B> only gps/gsm tracker, but as somewhat unreliable I want to add a NTX2B transmitter to track via HABHUB
[16:20] <fsphil> yeah
[16:20] <fsphil> that's wise
[16:20] <Ian_> A very wise decision.
[16:20] <fsphil> are you looking to build the radio tracker from scratch?
[16:21] <Andy_B> ive already got NMEA data being parsed to a SD card, so shouldnt be to problematic to transmit string via radio
[16:21] <fsphil> ooh nice
[16:21] <fsphil> yeah sounds like you've got the hard parts done
[16:21] <fsphil> I don't think anyone's ever used the 458mhz band
[16:21] <fsphil> for hab at least, it might not even be allowed
[16:21] <Andy_B> got an arduino setup with gps / 2 x DS18B20 temp sensors / humidity sensor / all rec to sd card
[16:22] <Andy_B> OK... so i'll stick to 434
[16:22] <Andy_B> cheers for advice
[16:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HIRFW-6 after 0313 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HIRFW-6
[16:23] <Andy_B> has anyone used usb tv dongle to bench test transmission data from HAB?
[16:23] <fsphil> yeah that's pretty common
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[16:23] <fsphil> it was all expensive radios before the rtlsdr's came along
[16:24] <Andy_B> is it just a case of plug dongle in and running sdr software or is there more to it than that?
[16:25] <fsphil> that much will get you the audio out of the sdr software
[16:25] <fsphil> you need dl-fldigi which can decode the signal to text, and upload to habhub
[16:25] <Ian_> He means more . . .
[16:26] <Andy_B> for my flight data to appear in HABHUB what information should I be transmitting.. is there a specified format or order?
[16:26] <fsphil> https://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[16:30] <Andy_B> FAB... thank you
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[21:39] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VK3YT-11 after 032 days silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK3YT-11
[21:42] <Darkside> ooh
[21:43] <SA6BSS-Mike> close?
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[21:43] <Darkside> nah
[21:44] <Darkside> just that its appeared after a bit of travelling around the middle of australia
[21:44] <Darkside> nothing new really
[21:44] <Darkside> he's done a few like this
[21:44] <SA6BSS-Mike> to days silece, big land , slow winds
[21:45] <SA6BSS-Mike> he certainly has
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[22:31] <ogmaster> hey guys!
[22:32] <ogmaster> I know this is kinda too late, but I was very busy so I am telling you guys now.
[22:33] <ogmaster> I launched two Balloons 3 weeks ago
[22:33] <ogmaster> and was able to retrieve one, but lost connection with the other one, unfortunately.
[22:33] <ogmaster> I realized i should've notified you guys to help track it
[22:34] <ogmaster> But it's too late now. I have coordinates up until it was 7500 meters from the ground (after it burst and was dropping).
[22:34] <ogmaster> any thing i can do to find it? or should i not bother?
[22:35] <mfa298> how were you tracking it ?
[22:36] <ogmaster> basically it was an arduino mega with an NTX2B. Was using dl-fldigi
[22:37] <ogmaster> while a friend drove chasing after it. but the wind was too fast. I had a phone on board as well that would send me text messages with gps coordinates. but it seems as it might've fell somewhere with no signal (and the battery has probably died by now)
[22:37] <mfa298> if you were getting data onto the tracker.habhub.org map then that would have given you a predicted landing which might have helped
[22:37] <mfa298> although it's a bit late to get that now
[22:38] <ogmaster> yeah, i was just hoping maybe someone would've found it and called or something.
[22:38] <daveake> Yeah, and at 7500 metres the prediction could still be out by 500m roughly
[22:39] <mfa298> for next time talk to people here first as there's a lot of people in the uk who could have helped track it
[22:39] <ogmaster> Unfortunately the winds were too strong and it basically went past the horizon :(
[22:39] <ogmaster> launched at bath and ended up somewhere near ipswich
[22:40] <mfa298> I suspect your only chance of recovering it now is if you put a contact number on it and someone finds it and calls
[22:40] <daveake> That would have been tracked down to 500m or lower
[22:40] <ogmaster> so you suspect maybe something else happened?
[22:40] <mfa298> there's quite a few people in that part of the country and it's mostly flat so it could have been tracked for you
[22:40] <daveake> No
[22:40] <daveake> You need to tell people
[22:41] <ogmaster> yeah, i should have
[22:41] <daveake> Someone local would have had it much much lower than 7500m
[22:41] <daveake> East Anglia is quite a good area to land - flattish and lots of receivers
[22:41] <ogmaster> the other one i was able to get, since it landed somewhere with phone signal, used the find my phone app and got it
[22:41] <ogmaster> near cambridge
[22:42] <ogmaster> but was really upset about the first one
[22:42] <daveake> Well, next time ... :-)
[22:42] <daveake> The general consensus is that GSM trackers work about half the time
[22:42] <daveake> Which you seem to have helped prove :/
[22:42] <ogmaster> i did leave my contact details on it, and there is a phone with an unlimited data sim in it inside the payload...
[22:43] <ogmaster> here's to hoping for the best
[22:43] <ogmaster> thanks anyways guys
[22:43] <daveake> These things sometimes do get found weeks or months later
[22:45] <daveake> But yeah, don't rely on GSM, and if you can't keep up with the balloon you have to tell others (a wise move anyway)
[22:45] <mfa298> get it on the map and tell the rest of the community about it next timme and you'll likely have more success. There have been 40-50 people tracking some flights, and some of that number have very good setups for tracking with
[22:46] <ogmaster> i call the phone everyday to check if it is open and if someone found it but yeah next time i'll let you guys know
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[22:49] <daveake> Before next time, have a read of https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:how_to_lose_your_flight
[22:52] <daveake> As you might guess, all of those have been done at least once, so you're not the first
[22:52] <daveake> oh gone
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[22:53] <daveake> Seems an odd decision to go to the trouble of adding a radio tracker and then not bother chasing it properly
[22:53] <daveake> Perhaps assumed that GSM would save the day
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[23:02] <cm13g09> daveake: "How to lose your flight"
[23:02] <cm13g09> I'm sure you could write a book on that
[23:03] <daveake> It does need an update
[23:03] <daveake> Sometimes it seems that people take it as a challenge to find some new and exciting way that I didn't include
[23:04] <cm13g09> heh
[23:04] <daveake> But "relying on GDM" and "don't tell anyone" are both in there, so this guy is treading old ground
[23:04] <daveake> GSM
[23:04] <cm13g09> yeah
[23:05] Action: cm13g09 ponders if the words "Same day dispatch if ordered before 2PM" actually make sense to anyone
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[23:09] Action: Ian_ wonders why it might not? Although have noticed that Ebuyer seem to delay despatch of items to make the 3 to 5 business days prophesy come true.
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[23:09] <cm13g09> Ian_: Somebody placed an order with me at 1624 this afternoon
[23:10] <cm13g09> emails at 18xx asking if it's shipped yet
[23:11] <Ian_> Ha, OK that makes sense. Even the quality of customers varies . . . badly it seems :)
[23:11] <cm13g09> yeah Ian_ - I have to book my courier collections by 2PM
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[23:12] <cm13g09> If I was doing multiple orders a day, daily
[23:12] <cm13g09> it would be less of an issue
[23:12] <cm13g09> as if the collection is already booked and hasn't been done yet
[23:12] <cm13g09> you can add stuff to it
[23:12] <cm13g09> In this case.... I had no collection booked
[23:15] <Ian_> I do hope that it wasn't something too technical . . . might not figure out how it works :)
[23:15] <cm13g09> lol - should be OK
[23:16] <cm13g09> More curious about my Farnell shipment that's got stuck in Koeln
[23:16] <cm13g09> last seen at 02:46 this morning "Warehouse Scan - Koeln"
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[23:17] <Ian_> Just be glad that it isn't stuck in Koeln at a Yodel Warehouse . . . = lost/stolen
[23:17] <cm13g09> yeah true
[23:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M10WX-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M10WX-11
[23:17] <cm13g09> it's UPS
[23:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03X3 after 03a day silence - 12https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=X3
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[23:48] <Laurenceb_> !whereis HIRFW-3
[23:48] <SpacenearUS> 03Laurenceb_: 03HIRFW-3 was over 03North Pacific Ocean 10(19.93941,-126.78785) at 0313887 meters about 037 minutes ago
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